He is actually right. There are no facts about anything concerning the belts new contract with ESPN. It’s all just fans spouting off rumor and hearsay. Not saying it might not come to fruition but where are these 2 million per school numbers coming from? The tooth fairy

(04-19-2022 05:17 AM)theATLDawg Wrote:  He is actually right. There are no facts about anything concerning the belts new contract with ESPN. It’s all just fans spouting off rumor and hearsay. Not saying it might not come to fruition but where are these 2 million per school numbers coming from? The tooth fairy

Hopefully the money of the next tv deal isn't disclosed and we can just tell everyone it's for 3 million a school.

(04-19-2022 05:42 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 05:17 AM)theATLDawg Wrote:  He is actually right. There are no facts about anything concerning the belts new contract with ESPN. It’s all just fans spouting off rumor and hearsay. Not saying it might not come to fruition but where are these 2 million per school numbers coming from? The tooth fairy

Hopefully the money of the next tv deal isn't disclosed and we can just tell everyone it's for 3 million a school.

From what Im being told you are close to the number.

(04-19-2022 06:40 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 05:42 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 05:17 AM)theATLDawg Wrote:  He is actually right. There are no facts about anything concerning the belts new contract with ESPN. It’s all just fans spouting off rumor and hearsay. Not saying it might not come to fruition but where are these 2 million per school numbers coming from? The tooth fairy

Hopefully the money of the next tv deal isn't disclosed and we can just tell everyone it's for 3 million a school.

From what Im being told you are close to the number.

If someone is telling you C-USA is losing 9 programs, adding 2 FCS transitions, NMST, and Liberty and the rights are going to increase 7 times over then I will have what they are having.

(04-19-2022 07:39 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 06:40 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 05:42 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 05:17 AM)theATLDawg Wrote:  He is actually right. There are no facts about anything concerning the belts new contract with ESPN. It’s all just fans spouting off rumor and hearsay. Not saying it might not come to fruition but where are these 2 million per school numbers coming from? The tooth fairy

Hopefully the money of the next tv deal isn't disclosed and we can just tell everyone it's for 3 million a school.

From what Im being told you are close to the number.

If someone is telling you C-USA is losing 9 programs, adding 2 FCS transitions, NMST, and Liberty and the rights are going to increase 7 times over then I will have what they are having.

You need more faith.

(04-19-2022 07:39 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 06:40 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 05:42 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 05:17 AM)theATLDawg Wrote:  He is actually right. There are no facts about anything concerning the belts new contract with ESPN. It’s all just fans spouting off rumor and hearsay. Not saying it might not come to fruition but where are these 2 million per school numbers coming from? The tooth fairy

Hopefully the money of the next tv deal isn't disclosed and we can just tell everyone it's for 3 million a school.

From what Im being told you are close to the number.

If someone is telling you C-USA is losing 9 programs, adding 2 FCS transitions, NMST, and Liberty and the rights are going to increase 7 times over then I will have what they are having.

It could be true if our next deal is going to be like the Sun Belt’s deal. It won’t be cash in hand.

(04-17-2022 10:03 PM)JackedUp Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 07:51 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 05:20 PM)JackedUp Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 04:49 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  The problem with C-USA is it is not regional, it will likely have a very small TV contract, no rivalries except UTEP vs NMSU, not much fan interest with a few exceptions. It is a hodgepodge of schools. I don't think it will last long.

I don’t think any G5 conference is going to last long. Besides What G5 conference is regional? Certainly not the AAC, MWC, CUSA or the Sunbelt. Besides the MAC

BTW How does SMU view the 6 Metro/Market additions? UNT and SMU should make for a good rivalry now that UNT and SMU are on equal footing.

All of those leagues are more regional than the new CUSA...

Sure whatever you say
AAC - Philadelphia to San Antonio 1,740 miles
SBC - Norfolk to San Marcos 1,522 miles
CUSA- Miami to Las Cruces 1,977 miles

You can get away with long distances if the league has more teams because you can limit long trips. UTSA and Temple and ODU and Texas State will be in separate divisions, so football makes the trip once every 6 or so years, Olympic Sports maybe every other year depending how it works in those sports.

The biggest problem CUSA faces with 9 is there's no divisions so FIU would have to play UTEP every other year in football and every year in Olympic Sports.

(04-19-2022 11:40 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 10:03 PM)JackedUp Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 07:51 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 05:20 PM)JackedUp Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 04:49 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  The problem with C-USA is it is not regional, it will likely have a very small TV contract, no rivalries except UTEP vs NMSU, not much fan interest with a few exceptions. It is a hodgepodge of schools. I don't think it will last long.

I don’t think any G5 conference is going to last long. Besides What G5 conference is regional? Certainly not the AAC, MWC, CUSA or the Sunbelt. Besides the MAC

BTW How does SMU view the 6 Metro/Market additions? UNT and SMU should make for a good rivalry now that UNT and SMU are on equal footing.

All of those leagues are more regional than the new CUSA...

Sure whatever you say
AAC - Philadelphia to San Antonio 1,740 miles
SBC - Norfolk to San Marcos 1,522 miles
CUSA- Miami to Las Cruces 1,977 miles

You can get away with long distances if the league has more teams because you can limit long trips. UTSA and Temple and ODU and Texas State will be in separate divisions, so football makes the trip once every 6 or so years, Olympic Sports maybe every other year depending how it works in those sports.

The biggest problem CUSA faces with 9 is there's no divisions so FIU would have to play UTEP every other year in football and every year in Olympic Sports.

Well, you got 5 out of the 6 cities/schools matched up correctly. Las Cruces is New Mexico State. However, when FIU visits Las Cruces they will most likely be flying into El Paso so hopefully all of their Olympic sports get to play both NMSU and UTEP on each trip

(04-19-2022 11:40 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The biggest problem CUSA faces with 9 is there's no divisions so FIU would have to play UTEP every other year in football and every year in Olympic Sports.

I don't know if that's the biggest problem we have (but it is a problem).

In the short run, the solutions to that particular problem create their own new problems.

A school will not be complaining about the new 9-team league if they are regularly going to the post-season in multiple sports.

Heck, I miss the old days of the OVC when our baseball team went to the NCAA Tourney at least every other year.

It should be a bit less difficult to make it to the Big Dance for our men's hoops teams.

Several years in the future, for each team in the new AAC, new SBC, and new C-USA alike, there will be programs happy about the moves, and schools wishing they had stayed where they were.

UTEP doesn’t sponsor baseball so you don’t have to go out there more than once a season. Other sports you can do them and NMSU in one trip.

The consensus seems to be that 9 teams is a good number for conference membership. The 2 existing rivalries between MT and WKU and between UTEP and NMSU are good for the competition. The other schools offer advantages too. FIU for Florida recruiting. Tech and SHSU for a potential rivalry and fertile recruiting. Liberty and Jacksonville St. for ASUN roots. Plus splitting the pot 9 ways is way better than splitting it 14 ways. And the pathway to a championship is much better.

(04-17-2022 08:27 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 07:48 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 07:29 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 08:24 AM)JackedUp Wrote:  

(04-16-2022 08:40 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  But is isn't necessarily. If ESPN says, "We will pay $1MM per team whether you are 9, 10, 12, 14, or 16 but we have to approve the teams." Would you care? I am seriously asking.

There is no proof of this?

I have asked repeatedly for an article or release showing the financial terms of the SBC/ESPN deal. There is none, like zero.


ESPN is the business of paying the least amount as possible while filling their inventory of Tuesday and Wednesday nights games with SBC teams.

One thing is certain if ESPN was paying the SBC a 400% increase it would plastered over the internet with articles from hometown papers. But there are none zero.

Geez dude…. Get off the SBC stuff. I never mentioned the SBC or any conference for that matter.

Why the vitriol? He was merely responding to a SBC fan and used the SBC as an example for his argument. If someone from another conference comes here to discuss, it's likely I'd use their conference in reply to the discussion on some topics.

Okay Apollo. I thought he was responding to me. Sometimes its hard to tell. My apologies to you and JackedUp. You know I have no disrespect to CUSA..

No problem. I know Marshall and Southern Miss fans have to have their feelings on their sleeve after getting pass over by the AAC. The AAC went the metro route. There wasn’t anything Marshall, USM or for that matter La Tech and WKU could have done to be invited to the AAC. It was strictly based on metro areas and possible eyeballs for ESPN

(04-17-2022 08:37 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I just don't see the path for CUSA 4.0 becoming a consistent two bid league without one team running this league like Memphis did CUSA 2.0. If one program can consistently win 25+ games a year(Memphis did every year but one in 2.0 and they went 24-10) then maybe 2 bids is possible, of course any such program would likely lose their coach in short order, if not get poached by the American or Mountain West altogether.

It's going to take more than that. NMSU consistently wins 25 games each year, regularly beats P5 teams and loses our coach every few years because of our success.

(04-17-2022 06:24 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 06:09 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 04:49 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  The problem with C-USA is it is not regional, it will likely have a very small TV contract, no rivalries except UTEP vs NMSU, not much fan interest with a few exceptions. It is a hodgepodge of schools. I don't think it will last long.

The most played rivalry in CUSA 3.0 or 4.0 is MT/WKU and it's not close.

Sorry but according to winsipedia, UTEP vs New Mexico State has been played 98 times in football. That is far more than the 71 times that Middle Tennessee has played Western Kentucky in football. But I'll give you this, the MT vs WKU series is significant. The rest of the conference is a hodgepodge. I just can't see UTEP fans getting very worked up about playing Jacksonville St. or Liberty fans getting very worked up about playing Sam Houston St. Though it should be a pretty good conference in basketball.

GCU was an unknown to everyone in the WAC at first. But it became easy to dislike them for their money, fake fan experience and predatory practices. Is suspect Liberty will take over that mantle from GCU in the new CUSA. They are at a different level from the rest of CUSA in terms of money and resources. I can see fans of other teams not taking too kindly to Liberty for a variety of reasons. A conference rivalry, if you will. BTW, I see this as a good thing.

(04-17-2022 10:32 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Potential future new rivalries
AAC:
UAB v Memphis already has some history
UNCC v ECU
FAU v South Florida
SMU v New TX schools

CUSA:
SHSU v La Tech
JSU v Middle
JSU v WKU
UTEP v NMSU has some history
UTEP v SHSU
Liberty v WKU have a feeling this one will become a rivalry

SBC:
USM v South
App V Marshall has some history
JMU v Marshall
JMU v App
JMU v ODU
USM v ULL especially in baseball

All of the conferences have the potential to grow some fun match ups.

This may the biggest understatement I have ever read on a blog site...

(04-17-2022 10:32 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Potential future new rivalries
AAC:
UAB v Memphis already has some history
UNCC v ECU
FAU v South Florida
SMU v New TX schools

CUSA:
SHSU v La Tech
JSU v Middle
JSU v WKU
UTEP v NMSU has some history
UTEP v SHSU
Liberty v WKU have a feeling this one will become a rivalry

SBC:
USM v South
App V Marshall has some history
JMU v Marshall
JMU v App
JMU v ODU
USM v ULL especially in baseball

All of the conferences have the potential to grow some fun match ups.

The thought of a UTEP v SHSU rivalry is funny to me because they’re quite literally the westernmost and easternmost FBS schools in the state. El Paso is over an hour closer to the Pacific Ocean than it is to Huntsville, Texas.

I’d like to see a JSU v SHSU rivalry arise. Stephen F. Austin will always be our main rival but if we can develop one in the FBS, might as well be against a school we’ve shared multiple conferences with and had a couple of playoff matchups against. Plus I’d love to get to JSU once those renovations get done on the stadium.

(04-19-2022 03:41 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 08:37 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I just don't see the path for CUSA 4.0 becoming a consistent two bid league without one team running this league like Memphis did CUSA 2.0. If one program can consistently win 25+ games a year(Memphis did every year but one in 2.0 and they went 24-10) then maybe 2 bids is possible, of course any such program would likely lose their coach in short order, if not get poached by the American or Mountain West altogether.

It's going to take more than that. NMSU consistently wins 25 games each year, regularly beats P5 teams and loses our coach every few years because of our success.

Yet NMSU has remained a successful program that has made the tournament consistently for a couple decades now. If four or five teams in CUSA can build a good base, recruit well and maintain the program’s progress even under different coaching like NMSU has recently, CUSA can be a two bid conference. The basketball is going to be a strength.

And it’s going to be highly entertaining too, IMO.

(04-19-2022 03:41 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 08:37 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I just don't see the path for CUSA 4.0 becoming a consistent two bid league without one team running this league like Memphis did CUSA 2.0. If one program can consistently win 25+ games a year(Memphis did every year but one in 2.0 and they went 24-10) then maybe 2 bids is possible, of course any such program would likely lose their coach in short order, if not get poached by the American or Mountain West altogether.

It's going to take more than that. NMSU consistently wins 25 games each year, regularly beats P5 teams and loses our coach every few years because of our success.

Of course it will take more than that, that's why I said maybe two bids is possible. My point being, we aren't going to get to a point of being a two bid league with even reletive regularity unless we have one reliably strong member that can win the conference consistently and always be in the mix for an at large the years they don't win the conference. From there we still need at least one or two more to step up, but there's no scenario in which we become a two bid league where the top two could be any two out of five or six different members on any given year.

(04-19-2022 04:44 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 03:41 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 08:37 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I just don't see the path for CUSA 4.0 becoming a consistent two bid league without one team running this league like Memphis did CUSA 2.0. If one program can consistently win 25+ games a year(Memphis did every year but one in 2.0 and they went 24-10) then maybe 2 bids is possible, of course any such program would likely lose their coach in short order, if not get poached by the American or Mountain West altogether.

It's going to take more than that. NMSU consistently wins 25 games each year, regularly beats P5 teams and loses our coach every few years because of our success.

Of course it will take more than that, that's why I said maybe two bids is possible. My point being, we aren't going to get to a point of being a two bid league with even reletive regularity unless we have one reliably strong member that can win the conference consistently and always be in the mix for an at large the years they don't win the conference. From there we still need at least one or two more to step up, but there's no scenario in which we become a two bid league where the top two could be any two out of five or six different members on any given year.

I understand what you are saying. I'm just pointing out NMSU has the consistency you are seeking. I expect that to continue in CUSA where we are in the top 3rd of the standings and fighting for conference and tourney championships every year. We did that in the Big West. We did it in the Sun Belt. And we did it through all iterations of the WAC including the years that we had Utah State, Boise, Nevada, etc.