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(04-07-2022 07:37 PM)The Doctor Is In Wrote:  As the old saying goes "hope is not a strategy". With so many positions and roles to fill, my assessment is that we will pick up someone who can help us but with the large number of holes to fill I just don't see us being as successful as we need to be through the portal. Let's all face it, we are kicking the can down the road for another year. Sad, I fear, but true.

That’s what many are fearing. I “hope” I’m wrong about recruiting but fearful about the upcoming results. No question we will get replacement players to fill the numerous slots available but we need players that were better then the ones leaving, not just replacements. Would be great to he wrong.

If we fail to win the Sun Belt, that has to be the tipping point.

Otherwise, we can assume that the administration doesn't care about basketball anymore.

(04-08-2022 06:12 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  If we fail to win the Sun Belt, that has to be the tipping point.

Otherwise, we can assume that the administration doesn't care about basketball anymore.

If the recruiting and results continue downward for a 3rd consecutive season with no changes in personnel I think that sends a pretty strong signal. But I don't think it sends a signal about the administrations concern or care about basketball more so it does for the relationships in this instance. But that's a circular argument. If they care about the relationships more they care about the program less, round we go. The end of the day we aren't sure what the plan or vision is because we haven't heard anything but the typical stuff - we will be highly completive in the Sun Belt.

(04-08-2022 07:12 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 06:12 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  If we fail to win the Sun Belt, that has to be the tipping point.

Otherwise, we can assume that the administration doesn't care about basketball anymore.

If the recruiting and results continue downward for a 3rd consecutive season with no changes in personnel I think that sends a pretty strong signal. But I don't think it sends a signal about the administrations concern or care about basketball more so it does for the relationships in this instance. But that's a circular argument. If they care about the relationships more they care about the program less, round we go. The end of the day we aren't sure what the plan or vision is because we haven't heard anything but the typical stuff - we will be highly completive in the Sun Belt.

I think our limited activity in the transfer portal so far is a pretty good indication of how successful or unsuccessful this critical recruiting season is going to be! JJ and his staff's inability to recruit quality players is what got us into this mess and I don't see where that is going to change. Being competitive in the Sunbelt??? At this point we would be lucky to compete against Virginia Wesleyan!

(04-08-2022 07:12 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 06:12 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  If we fail to win the Sun Belt, that has to be the tipping point.

Otherwise, we can assume that the administration doesn't care about basketball anymore.

If the recruiting and results continue downward for a 3rd consecutive season with no changes in personnel I think that sends a pretty strong signal. But I don't think it sends a signal about the administrations concern or care about basketball more so it does for the relationships in this instance. But that's a circular argument. If they care about the relationships more they care about the program less, round we go. The end of the day we aren't sure what the plan or vision is because we haven't heard anything but the typical stuff - we will be highly completive in the Sun Belt.

FWIW, our recruiting class last year was a good one. This past year was due more to the poor 2019 and 2020 classes.

(04-08-2022 09:22 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 07:12 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 06:12 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  If we fail to win the Sun Belt, that has to be the tipping point.

Otherwise, we can assume that the administration doesn't care about basketball anymore.

If the recruiting and results continue downward for a 3rd consecutive season with no changes in personnel I think that sends a pretty strong signal. But I don't think it sends a signal about the administrations concern or care about basketball more so it does for the relationships in this instance. But that's a circular argument. If they care about the relationships more they care about the program less, round we go. The end of the day we aren't sure what the plan or vision is because we haven't heard anything but the typical stuff - we will be highly completive in the Sun Belt.

FWIW, our recruiting class last year was a good one. This past year was due more to the poor 2019 and 2020 classes.

Maybe last years class looked good to you because of what we had on the team was so bad. It was better than the 2019/2020 classes but it wasn't good! At least good enough to compete.

(04-08-2022 09:32 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 09:22 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 07:12 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 06:12 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  If we fail to win the Sun Belt, that has to be the tipping point.

Otherwise, we can assume that the administration doesn't care about basketball anymore.

If the recruiting and results continue downward for a 3rd consecutive season with no changes in personnel I think that sends a pretty strong signal. But I don't think it sends a signal about the administrations concern or care about basketball more so it does for the relationships in this instance. But that's a circular argument. If they care about the relationships more they care about the program less, round we go. The end of the day we aren't sure what the plan or vision is because we haven't heard anything but the typical stuff - we will be highly completive in the Sun Belt.

FWIW, our recruiting class last year was a good one. This past year was due more to the poor 2019 and 2020 classes.

Maybe last years class looked good to you because of what we had on the team was so bad. It was better than the 2019/2020 classes but it wasn't good! At least good enough to compete.

Well thats true bc they didnt have anyone over 6-10

(04-08-2022 09:41 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 09:32 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 09:22 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 07:12 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 06:12 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  If we fail to win the Sun Belt, that has to be the tipping point.

Otherwise, we can assume that the administration doesn't care about basketball anymore.

If the recruiting and results continue downward for a 3rd consecutive season with no changes in personnel I think that sends a pretty strong signal. But I don't think it sends a signal about the administrations concern or care about basketball more so it does for the relationships in this instance. But that's a circular argument. If they care about the relationships more they care about the program less, round we go. The end of the day we aren't sure what the plan or vision is because we haven't heard anything but the typical stuff - we will be highly completive in the Sun Belt.

FWIW, our recruiting class last year was a good one. This past year was due more to the poor 2019 and 2020 classes.

Maybe last years class looked good to you because of what we had on the team was so bad. It was better than the 2019/2020 classes but it wasn't good! At least good enough to compete.

Well thats true bc they didnt have anyone over 6-10

No but most of the teams that made it to the top 16 did! The first comments made by all the announcers on our televised games were "they are undersized"! Not just me that sees it!

(04-08-2022 09:22 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 07:12 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 06:12 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  If we fail to win the Sun Belt, that has to be the tipping point.

Otherwise, we can assume that the administration doesn't care about basketball anymore.

If the recruiting and results continue downward for a 3rd consecutive season with no changes in personnel I think that sends a pretty strong signal. But I don't think it sends a signal about the administrations concern or care about basketball more so it does for the relationships in this instance. But that's a circular argument. If they care about the relationships more they care about the program less, round we go. The end of the day we aren't sure what the plan or vision is because we haven't heard anything but the typical stuff - we will be highly completive in the Sun Belt.

FWIW, our recruiting class last year was a good one. This past year was due more to the poor 2019 and 2020 classes.

Last years class certainly looked to be a good one on paper. I’d say it was pretty much a bust after they caught JJ-itis, but with their accolades coming in, along with the returning talent, we should have had a good chance at winning the conference. They looked to be the right pieces to add to the strong core.

(04-08-2022 10:00 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 09:41 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 09:32 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 09:22 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 07:12 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  If the recruiting and results continue downward for a 3rd consecutive season with no changes in personnel I think that sends a pretty strong signal. But I don't think it sends a signal about the administrations concern or care about basketball more so it does for the relationships in this instance. But that's a circular argument. If they care about the relationships more they care about the program less, round we go. The end of the day we aren't sure what the plan or vision is because we haven't heard anything but the typical stuff - we will be highly completive in the Sun Belt.

FWIW, our recruiting class last year was a good one. This past year was due more to the poor 2019 and 2020 classes.

Maybe last years class looked good to you because of what we had on the team was so bad. It was better than the 2019/2020 classes but it wasn't good! At least good enough to compete.

Well thats true bc they didnt have anyone over 6-10

No but most of the teams that made it to the top 16 did! The first comments made by all the announcers on our televised games were "they are undersized"! Not just me that sees it!

Well dang, we weren't top 16

(04-08-2022 09:22 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 07:12 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 06:12 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  If we fail to win the Sun Belt, that has to be the tipping point.

Otherwise, we can assume that the administration doesn't care about basketball anymore.

If the recruiting and results continue downward for a 3rd consecutive season with no changes in personnel I think that sends a pretty strong signal. But I don't think it sends a signal about the administrations concern or care about basketball more so it does for the relationships in this instance. But that's a circular argument. If they care about the relationships more they care about the program less, round we go. The end of the day we aren't sure what the plan or vision is because we haven't heard anything but the typical stuff - we will be highly completive in the Sun Belt.

FWIW, our recruiting class last year was a good one. This past year was due more to the poor 2019 and 2020 classes.

I'd like to believe this but one we had to redshirt one guy because they couldn't find time for him even with the guys we had in front of him and the other two guards played very little. It's not like we had Dave Twardzik in front of them taking minutes. I liked Stines but he just didn't get enough run to hardly tell how good he is. And Morris??? Who the heck knows, he hardly played either and then poof, he's not even on the team come conference time.

(04-08-2022 10:29 AM)mac Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 09:22 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 07:12 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 06:12 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  If we fail to win the Sun Belt, that has to be the tipping point.

Otherwise, we can assume that the administration doesn't care about basketball anymore.

If the recruiting and results continue downward for a 3rd consecutive season with no changes in personnel I think that sends a pretty strong signal. But I don't think it sends a signal about the administrations concern or care about basketball more so it does for the relationships in this instance. But that's a circular argument. If they care about the relationships more they care about the program less, round we go. The end of the day we aren't sure what the plan or vision is because we haven't heard anything but the typical stuff - we will be highly completive in the Sun Belt.

FWIW, our recruiting class last year was a good one. This past year was due more to the poor 2019 and 2020 classes.

I'd like to believe this but one we had to redshirt one guy because they couldn't find time for him even with the guys we had in front of him and the other two guards played very little. It's not like we had Dave Twardzik in front of them taking minutes. I liked Stines but he just didn't get enough run to hardly tell how good he is. And Morris??? Who the heck knows, he hardly played either and then poof, he's not even on the team come conference time.

Morris is not the guy. If we have to rely on him we are in bigger trouble than anyone could've imagined.

(04-08-2022 10:33 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 10:29 AM)mac Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 09:22 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 07:12 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 06:12 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  If we fail to win the Sun Belt, that has to be the tipping point.

Otherwise, we can assume that the administration doesn't care about basketball anymore.

If the recruiting and results continue downward for a 3rd consecutive season with no changes in personnel I think that sends a pretty strong signal. But I don't think it sends a signal about the administrations concern or care about basketball more so it does for the relationships in this instance. But that's a circular argument. If they care about the relationships more they care about the program less, round we go. The end of the day we aren't sure what the plan or vision is because we haven't heard anything but the typical stuff - we will be highly completive in the Sun Belt.

FWIW, our recruiting class last year was a good one. This past year was due more to the poor 2019 and 2020 classes.

I'd like to believe this but one we had to redshirt one guy because they couldn't find time for him even with the guys we had in front of him and the other two guards played very little. It's not like we had Dave Twardzik in front of them taking minutes. I liked Stines but he just didn't get enough run to hardly tell how good he is. And Morris??? Who the heck knows, he hardly played either and then poof, he's not even on the team come conference time.

Morris is not the guy. If we have to rely on him we are in bigger trouble than anyone could've imagined.

Correct. He will definitely not be a factor.

Yeah, we will have a different big guy in. HOpefully 2. (no promises that they will be 7 foot 2)

Our basketball program, both the men's and women's, is in disarray. One coach can't recruit talent and the other can't manage the talent that they recruited. In both cases a mass exodus to the transfer portal has and is occurring.

Pause, take a deep breath, and exhale before you jump all over this post. Deep down inside you know that this is true. My gut tells me that Wood is passing his bet because he knows the cards in his hand are not winners. To further parlay this into a poker analogy we have used most of our chips and we can only make small bets at the margin. Simple as that.

(04-08-2022 10:33 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 10:29 AM)mac Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 09:22 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 07:12 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 06:12 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  If we fail to win the Sun Belt, that has to be the tipping point.

Otherwise, we can assume that the administration doesn't care about basketball anymore.

If the recruiting and results continue downward for a 3rd consecutive season with no changes in personnel I think that sends a pretty strong signal. But I don't think it sends a signal about the administrations concern or care about basketball more so it does for the relationships in this instance. But that's a circular argument. If they care about the relationships more they care about the program less, round we go. The end of the day we aren't sure what the plan or vision is because we haven't heard anything but the typical stuff - we will be highly completive in the Sun Belt.

FWIW, our recruiting class last year was a good one. This past year was due more to the poor 2019 and 2020 classes.

I'd like to believe this but one we had to redshirt one guy because they couldn't find time for him even with the guys we had in front of him and the other two guards played very little. It's not like we had Dave Twardzik in front of them taking minutes. I liked Stines but he just didn't get enough run to hardly tell how good he is. And Morris??? Who the heck knows, he hardly played either and then poof, he's not even on the team come conference time.

Morris is not the guy. If we have to rely on him we are in bigger trouble than anyone could've imagined.

So in other words, we can't recruit squat. Is he off the team totally then?

(04-08-2022 10:18 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 10:00 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 09:41 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 09:32 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 09:22 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  FWIW, our recruiting class last year was a good one. This past year was due more to the poor 2019 and 2020 classes.

Maybe last years class looked good to you because of what we had on the team was so bad. It was better than the 2019/2020 classes but it wasn't good! At least good enough to compete.

Well thats true bc they didnt have anyone over 6-10

No but most of the teams that made it to the top 16 did! The first comments made by all the announcers on our televised games were "they are undersized"! Not just me that sees it!

Well dang, we weren't top 16

I hope Jeff gets a team full of 5'-8" to 6'-5" guys because apparently you believe the shorter the better, and that gives them the best shot at getting to the "top 16". Yep, we'll show those bigger teams like Duke, Kansas, UNC, etc. that they're doing it all wrong and small ball rules. Yea!!!

Only problem with being against, or making the snide remarks about 6'-10" (or bigger guys) is that we haven't had any since Porter left, and we haven't had any real success with all of these shorter lineups in recent years.

We won the conference without Porter, FWIW.

(04-08-2022 10:33 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 10:29 AM)mac Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 09:22 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 07:12 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 06:12 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  If we fail to win the Sun Belt, that has to be the tipping point.

Otherwise, we can assume that the administration doesn't care about basketball anymore.

If the recruiting and results continue downward for a 3rd consecutive season with no changes in personnel I think that sends a pretty strong signal. But I don't think it sends a signal about the administrations concern or care about basketball more so it does for the relationships in this instance. But that's a circular argument. If they care about the relationships more they care about the program less, round we go. The end of the day we aren't sure what the plan or vision is because we haven't heard anything but the typical stuff - we will be highly completive in the Sun Belt.

FWIW, our recruiting class last year was a good one. This past year was due more to the poor 2019 and 2020 classes.

I'd like to believe this but one we had to redshirt one guy because they couldn't find time for him even with the guys we had in front of him and the other two guards played very little. It's not like we had Dave Twardzik in front of them taking minutes. I liked Stines but he just didn't get enough run to hardly tell how good he is. And Morris??? Who the heck knows, he hardly played either and then poof, he's not even on the team come conference time.

Morris is not the guy. If we have to rely on him we are in bigger trouble than anyone could've imagined.

I don’t know man. As it is I imagine an 8 or 9 win season. Could we possibly be looking at a 4 or 5, or maybe even winless season?

(04-08-2022 12:44 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 10:33 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 10:29 AM)mac Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 09:22 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-08-2022 07:12 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  If the recruiting and results continue downward for a 3rd consecutive season with no changes in personnel I think that sends a pretty strong signal. But I don't think it sends a signal about the administrations concern or care about basketball more so it does for the relationships in this instance. But that's a circular argument. If they care about the relationships more they care about the program less, round we go. The end of the day we aren't sure what the plan or vision is because we haven't heard anything but the typical stuff - we will be highly completive in the Sun Belt.

FWIW, our recruiting class last year was a good one. This past year was due more to the poor 2019 and 2020 classes.

I'd like to believe this but one we had to redshirt one guy because they couldn't find time for him even with the guys we had in front of him and the other two guards played very little. It's not like we had Dave Twardzik in front of them taking minutes. I liked Stines but he just didn't get enough run to hardly tell how good he is. And Morris??? Who the heck knows, he hardly played either and then poof, he's not even on the team come conference time.

Morris is not the guy. If we have to rely on him we are in bigger trouble than anyone could've imagined.

I don’t know man. As it is I imagine an 8 or 9 win season. Could we possibly be looking at a 4 or 5, or maybe even winless season?

There is zero point in speculating for another few weeks until free agency slows down.