(03-09-2022 09:21 PM)Mimi Wrote:  VTech hits three and wins by one
Pure buzzer beater, down 2
Clemson missed a free throw and VT went for the win

This was a big one for us because losing to 80 something Clemson probably knocked vatech out of quad one for us. They were 37 net before the game. I imagine they still probably drop a spot or two but hang on to top 40.

(03-09-2022 07:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 06:24 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 05:44 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 05:23 PM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 05:22 PM)MSU87 Wrote:  I'd say they're still among the last four in. They're in the ACC, and their NET coming into the game was 39.

but their OOC SOS was 300+

If your school plays in one of the privileged conferences they can play a very weak OOC schedule & its no issue because they will get 10+ Q1 games in-conference. Not so in the AAC, bias or not.

Like Houston? Have they beaten a decent team this season? Other than smu I would say no. How do they maintain that high ranking?

I'd start with the fact that UH has won 26 games & won the reg season AAC.

SOS @ 103

What is their biggest win?

(03-09-2022 08:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 08:19 PM)Blackman Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 08:08 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 07:50 PM)Blackman Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 07:19 PM)DoomHaynesJr Wrote:  Add in the fact that Houston is a privileged conference team in waiting. Kind of a welcome to the club perk.

Have to understand the algorithm of the NET to understand Houston.

The Quad wins are only one component. The other is the efficiency ratings...offensive efficiency minus defensive efficiency. This is where Houston absolutely excels.

They just dog-walk and skull drag lesser teams. They have 22 double digit wins. This works wonders for those efficiency numbers. I respect them because they play hard every night, no matter the opponent.

If we did that we would be in contention for a top seed.

If Houston doesn't win the tourney, all of those great numbers will be disregarded and they will end up 6-7

If they don't win the tournament that is probably where they belong, based on their resume.

Even If they do win the tournament they will probably be in the 5-6 range, which is about right for them to be ranked between 17-24 seeing how they are currently ranked 18th in the polls.

Seems like I remember a while ago a team ranked in the human polls not getting an at large.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/03/smu-snu...tournament

SMU 2014...Larry Brown's team

And that lesson was that if you sent a resume to the committee with a 300+ non-conf SOS, protect your gonads, cause it can get ugly.

This was also around the time that the committee kept snubbing Seth Greenburg at Ga Tech. Back then, some of the smaller schools were getting penalized for their non-conf SOS, and they kept complaining the big boys wouldnt play them. The committee asked them to document that and submit it to them. Turns out, Ga Tech was one of the teams who notoriously failed to play these marginally good teams. So the committee snubbed them two years in a row because their sos was poor while at the same time refusing to play some of the better quality smaller teams.

I thought Greenburger was at Va Tech, not GaTech?

(03-09-2022 09:50 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 07:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 06:24 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 05:44 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 05:23 PM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  but their OOC SOS was 300+

If your school plays in one of the privileged conferences they can play a very weak OOC schedule & its no issue because they will get 10+ Q1 games in-conference. Not so in the AAC, bias or not.

Like Houston? Have they beaten a decent team this season? Other than smu I would say no. How do they maintain that high ranking?

I'd start with the fact that UH has won 26 games & won the reg season AAC.

SOS @ 103

What is their biggest win?

I don't like to highlight Houston's computer love. We benefit from the weird computer love they're getting.

Side note: I hate that these computer rankings often have weird criteria. Points/ possession (instead of points/game). If a team shoots from half court every possession, making 30% but scoring 200 pts, they're pretty d#$@ hard to beat! Computer would say they're terrible in regards to points/possession.

(03-10-2022 11:27 AM)Bill83 Wrote:  I thought Greenburger was at Va Tech, not GaTech?

I may have gotten the school wrong, but it was his school that was getting left out. I defintely remember his school being directly snubbed two years in a row because of it. Unless my brain is just too far gone.

(03-10-2022 11:36 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 09:50 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 07:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 06:24 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 05:44 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  If your school plays in one of the privileged conferences they can play a very weak OOC schedule & its no issue because they will get 10+ Q1 games in-conference. Not so in the AAC, bias or not.

Like Houston? Have they beaten a decent team this season? Other than smu I would say no. How do they maintain that high ranking?

I'd start with the fact that UH has won 26 games & won the reg season AAC.

SOS @ 103

What is their biggest win?

I don't like to highlight Houston's computer love. We benefit from the weird computer love they're getting.

Side note: I hate that these computer rankings often have weird criteria. Points/ possession (instead of points/game). If a team shoots from half court every possession, making 30% but scoring 200 pts, they're pretty d#$@ hard to beat! Computer would say they're terrible in regards to points/possession.

Points per possession is not weird. It’s the only accurate way to measure it because of differing speeds of play. If they scored 200 points that would be reflected in their efficiency numbers. 30% is not that great either maybe less turnovers shooting from half court so no 0 possessions from turnovers. The point is in that scenario the other team would get a lot more possessions also.

Indiana - 74
Michigan - 69
Final

Yet, with 14 losses, Michigan is somehow still considered an NCAA Tourney team.

(03-10-2022 01:52 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  Indiana - 74
Michigan - 69
Final

Yet, with 14 losses, Michigan is somehow still considered an NCAA Tourney team.

Cmon now. You know the committee loves teams like this. I know some on here are confident in our position but I’d feel better if we get to the finals. No faith in the committee to do the right thing.

(03-10-2022 11:39 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:27 AM)Bill83 Wrote:  I thought Greenburger was at Va Tech, not GaTech?

I may have gotten the school wrong, but it was his school that was getting left out. I defintely remember his school being directly snubbed two years in a row because of it. Unless my brain is just too far gone.

I remember him whining about it, I never studied their resumes.

(03-10-2022 01:52 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  Indiana - 74
Michigan - 69
Final

Yet, with 14 losses, Michigan is somehow still considered an NCAA Tourney team.

Michigan is 5-10 in Quad 1, and 3-3 in Quad 2. It's not like they are hammering Quad 2 and holding their own against Quad 1. All this with 14 losses. We are 4-3 and 3-4 respectively.

We have played 8 less Quad 1 games than Michigan and have 1 less win. Indiana is now a sparkling 4-7 in Quad 1.

TCU just beat Texas
That clinches it for them
Baugh player of the game

Bubble TX AM beats bubble Florida

(03-10-2022 12:08 PM)Fluke Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:36 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 09:50 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 07:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 06:24 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  Like Houston? Have they beaten a decent team this season? Other than smu I would say no. How do they maintain that high ranking?

I'd start with the fact that UH has won 26 games & won the reg season AAC.

SOS @ 103

What is their biggest win?

I don't like to highlight Houston's computer love. We benefit from the weird computer love they're getting.

Side note: I hate that these computer rankings often have weird criteria. Points/ possession (instead of points/game). If a team shoots from half court every possession, making 30% but scoring 200 pts, they're pretty d#$@ hard to beat! Computer would say they're terrible in regards to points/possession.

Points per possession is not weird. It’s the only accurate way to measure it because of differing speeds of play. If they scored 200 points that would be reflected in their efficiency numbers. 30% is not that great either maybe less turnovers shooting from half court so no 0 possessions from turnovers. The point is in that scenario the other team would get a lot more possessions also.

What if a team shot 20% from the field, but out-rebounded the opponent 5-1 consistently?

(03-10-2022 03:11 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 12:08 PM)Fluke Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:36 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 09:50 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 07:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I'd start with the fact that UH has won 26 games & won the reg season AAC.

SOS @ 103

What is their biggest win?

I don't like to highlight Houston's computer love. We benefit from the weird computer love they're getting.

Side note: I hate that these computer rankings often have weird criteria. Points/ possession (instead of points/game). If a team shoots from half court every possession, making 30% but scoring 200 pts, they're pretty d#$@ hard to beat! Computer would say they're terrible in regards to points/possession.

Points per possession is not weird. It’s the only accurate way to measure it because of differing speeds of play. If they scored 200 points that would be reflected in their efficiency numbers. 30% is not that great either maybe less turnovers shooting from half court so no 0 possessions from turnovers. The point is in that scenario the other team would get a lot more possessions also.

What if a team shot 20% from the field, but out-rebounded the opponent 5-1 consistently?

They win a **** ton of games lol. Terrible efficiency but more possessions if you say each rebound is a new possession. I imagine the advanced stats just say it’s one offensive possession since it’s not points per shot attempt. Rebounding rate would just be factored into off and def efficiency. May be wrong there.

(03-10-2022 03:11 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 12:08 PM)Fluke Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:36 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 09:50 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 07:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I'd start with the fact that UH has won 26 games & won the reg season AAC.

SOS @ 103

What is their biggest win?

I don't like to highlight Houston's computer love. We benefit from the weird computer love they're getting.

Side note: I hate that these computer rankings often have weird criteria. Points/ possession (instead of points/game). If a team shoots from half court every possession, making 30% but scoring 200 pts, they're pretty d#$@ hard to beat! Computer would say they're terrible in regards to points/possession.

Points per possession is not weird. It’s the only accurate way to measure it because of differing speeds of play. If they scored 200 points that would be reflected in their efficiency numbers. 30% is not that great either maybe less turnovers shooting from half court so no 0 possessions from turnovers. The point is in that scenario the other team would get a lot more possessions also.

What if a team shot 20% from the field, but out-rebounded the opponent 5-1 consistently?

It is the same possession if they get an offensive rebound.

(03-10-2022 03:29 PM)Fluke Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 03:11 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 12:08 PM)Fluke Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 11:36 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 09:50 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  SOS @ 103

What is their biggest win?

I don't like to highlight Houston's computer love. We benefit from the weird computer love they're getting.

Side note: I hate that these computer rankings often have weird criteria. Points/ possession (instead of points/game). If a team shoots from half court every possession, making 30% but scoring 200 pts, they're pretty d#$@ hard to beat! Computer would say they're terrible in regards to points/possession.

Points per possession is not weird. It’s the only accurate way to measure it because of differing speeds of play. If they scored 200 points that would be reflected in their efficiency numbers. 30% is not that great either maybe less turnovers shooting from half court so no 0 possessions from turnovers. The point is in that scenario the other team would get a lot more possessions also.

What if a team shot 20% from the field, but out-rebounded the opponent 5-1 consistently?

They win a **** ton of games lol. Terrible efficiency but more possessions if you say each rebound is a new possession. I imagine the advanced stats just say it’s one offensive possession since it’s not points per shot attempt. Rebounding rate would just be factored into off and def efficiency. May be wrong there.

Thanks for reminding me how much subjectivity is involved. We all have differing opinions on what indicates good basketball. And judging between 358 teams with little interconference play is nearly impossible. It's why there are always Cinderellas- they aren't inferior, just that the people who make a living "analyzing" basketball do not know them.

Edit: Belmont will not get in the tournament, but they are a good bball team that could win some games if entered.

(03-10-2022 02:47 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 01:52 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  Indiana - 74
Michigan - 69
Final

Yet, with 14 losses, Michigan is somehow still considered an NCAA Tourney team.

Michigan is 5-10 in Quad 1, and 3-3 in Quad 2. It's not like they are hammering Quad 2 and holding their own against Quad 1. All this with 14 losses. We are 4-3 and 3-4 respectively.

We have played 8 less Quad 1 games than Michigan and have 1 less win. Indiana is now a sparkling 4-7 in Quad 1.

They will likely have a net in the 30's, and their sos/nono-conf sos is about as good as it gets. Also, many other bubble teams are screwing the pooch, so they may be legitimately one of the better bubble teams left.

However,
we kept hearing about "at some point the losses matter" when pundits were talking about Memphis. While I agree Michigan has played one of the toughest schedules around, at some point the losses should matter.

(03-09-2022 09:50 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 07:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 06:24 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 05:44 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 05:23 PM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  but their OOC SOS was 300+

If your school plays in one of the privileged conferences they can play a very weak OOC schedule & its no issue because they will get 10+ Q1 games in-conference. Not so in the AAC, bias or not.

Like Houston? Have they beaten a decent team this season? Other than smu I would say no. How do they maintain that high ranking?

I'd start with the fact that UH has won 26 games & won the reg season AAC.

SOS @ 103

What is their biggest win?

Their moral victory of cutting into the lead during last game against the Tigers.

Not bubble watch, but I am watching the end of the Miami game and heard the name Charlie Moore. That guy has been in college forever. I think he committed to us while Pastner was still here.