(03-10-2022 07:17 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 10:40 PM)jcohen42 Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 03:48 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Still wondering why Indiana (PA) & West Chester aren't at least contemplating this as well. Also, I wonder if Penn State-Altoona and/or Penn State-Erie would consider joining D2's PSAC.

PASSHE is a financial mess at the moment, and is doing a bunch of reorganization just to try to save money. They aren't going to let any school undertake the burdens of moving up to D1 under the current conditions when it would probably require the closure of some of their other branches.

Down the line, if PASSHE gets their economics in order and they finally decide to declare official flagships, then maybe we'll see those flagships start to work towards D1. But only then.

It’s more than this. If West Chester or IUP want something more for themselves institutionally, let alone athletically, they both need to divorce from PASSHE.

Probably true... but I haven't seen any indications that it might happen. Though, of the two, IUP feels more likely and more prepared to break away.

(03-10-2022 10:04 AM)whittx Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 12:46 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 12:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  Further watering down the division and ultimately will be the cause of a D1 split. Stop letting these glorified high school gym schools in D1 if you want to preserve March Madness.

Stonehill has an excellent facility. Looks like a smaller Dean Dome! https://www.stonehillskyhawks.com/facilities/merkert

NewHaven also has an excellent facility. Looks like a smaller Rupp Arena!
https://newhavenchargers.com/facilities/...ymnasium/6

What conference wouldn’t want these “arenas” showcased during a conference championship game on ESPN?

But they both are palaces compared to Charleston Southern.

Oh well, CSU has been in D1 for a long time. If they were trying to move up, their arena would be blasted too.

I think the Big South is making some of the smaller schools build new arenas. I haven't seen an official press release, but apparently Chuck South is building a new arena, and had images of it up at their basketball games this year

https://old.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketba...ion_i_gym/

Yeah the FBS schools never have to play the newbies unless it's in the ncaa tournament. Duke isn't saying oh great now we have to play New Haven. They never have to unless it's in the tournament. Plus if they did want to play them I bet it's a lot cheaper to pay them to come out and play than say... Akron or FIU or even ETSU. They don't matter, the big schools don't care about who the ASUN, OVC, NEC are adding.

(03-10-2022 01:11 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  I think the Big South is making some of the smaller schools build new arenas. I haven't seen an official press release, but apparently Chuck South is building a new arena, and had images of it up at their basketball games this year

https://old.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketba...ion_i_gym/

They have been talking about this for 15 years. When the money is there to build I'll buy it. Keep in mind their FB stadium is a glorified HS stadium.

(03-10-2022 12:46 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 12:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  Further watering down the division and ultimately will be the cause of a D1 split. Stop letting these glorified high school gym schools in D1 if you want to preserve March Madness.

Stonehill has an excellent facility. Looks like a smaller Dean Dome! https://www.stonehillskyhawks.com/facilities/merkert

NewHaven also has an excellent facility. Looks like a smaller Rupp Arena!
https://newhavenchargers.com/facilities/...ymnasium/6

What conference wouldn’t want these “arenas” showcased during a conference championship game on ESPN?

Compare those "wonderful" arenas to this beauty!

Even this arena is better than New Havens & Stonehill's:



Better view of the same arena down here:



Btw, here's the smaller version of Memorial Gym (Vandy):

For all the fans of higher-level schools who gripe about "watering down" D1, it's moves made by your conferences that cause cascades of realignment that lead to the bottom-tier conferences' need to draw from D2 to survive. They're not fishing in D2 for the hell of it.

(03-12-2022 12:54 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  For all the fans of higher-level schools who gripe about "watering down" D1, it's moves made by your conferences that cause cascades of realignment that lead to the bottom-tier conferences' need to draw from D2 to survive. They're not fishing in D2 for the hell of it.

This post should be pinned.

Bingo. You sir deserve an award in all seriousness

(03-12-2022 12:54 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  For all the fans of higher-level schools who gripe about "watering down" D1, it's moves made by your conferences that cause cascades of realignment that lead to the bottom-tier conferences' need to draw from D2 to survive. They're not fishing in D2 for the hell of it.

That’s an oversimplified response. Why does a low tier conference (or any for that matter) have the right to survive? Those schools can easily be absorbed into existing leagues. There should be 32 conference bids and 32 at-large.

(03-12-2022 02:51 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 12:54 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  For all the fans of higher-level schools who gripe about "watering down" D1, it's moves made by your conferences that cause cascades of realignment that lead to the bottom-tier conferences' need to draw from D2 to survive. They're not fishing in D2 for the hell of it.

That’s an oversimplified response. Why does a low tier conference (or any for that matter) have the right to survive? Those schools can easily be absorbed into existing leagues. There should be 32 conference bids and 32 at-large.

Wrong. Building and facilitating relationships in college sports is the very basis of why leagues are the way they are; it's hardly "easy" to forcibly incorporate new members whose philosophies, resources, facilities, and so forth differ widely.

Conferences are established and entrenched relationships; they are not so easily made.

(03-12-2022 03:22 AM)rtist Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 02:51 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 12:54 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  For all the fans of higher-level schools who gripe about "watering down" D1, it's moves made by your conferences that cause cascades of realignment that lead to the bottom-tier conferences' need to draw from D2 to survive. They're not fishing in D2 for the hell of it.

That’s an oversimplified response. Why does a low tier conference (or any for that matter) have the right to survive? Those schools can easily be absorbed into existing leagues. There should be 32 conference bids and 32 at-large.

Wrong. Building and facilitating relationships in college sports is the very basis of why leagues are the way they are; it's hardly "easy" to forcibly incorporate new members whose philosophies, resources, facilities, and so forth differ widely.

Conferences are established and entrenched relationships; they are not so easily made.

This is exactly correct.

(03-12-2022 02:51 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 12:54 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  For all the fans of higher-level schools who gripe about "watering down" D1, it's moves made by your conferences that cause cascades of realignment that lead to the bottom-tier conferences' need to draw from D2 to survive. They're not fishing in D2 for the hell of it.

That’s an oversimplified response. Why does a low tier conference (or any for that matter) have the right to survive? Those schools can easily be absorbed into existing leagues. There should be 32 conference bids and 32 at-large.

No conference has the "right" to survive, but they certainly have the willingness and capability to do so. And re: absorbing schools into other conferences, talk about oversimplified -- if any FB school leaves the MEAC, who should be obligated to absorb the rest? The ACC?

Also, how can you claim there should be 32 conference bids if through this merging there are fewer than 32 conferences?

(03-12-2022 02:51 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 12:54 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  For all the fans of higher-level schools who gripe about "watering down" D1, it's moves made by your conferences that cause cascades of realignment that lead to the bottom-tier conferences' need to draw from D2 to survive. They're not fishing in D2 for the hell of it.

That’s an oversimplified response. Why does a low tier conference (or any for that matter) have the right to survive? Those schools can easily be absorbed into existing leagues. There should be 32 conference bids and 32 at-large.

Are you suggesting that conferences should be forcibly dissolved? Good luck with the publicity of that one.

maybe New Haven should/could replace Hartford

Now there are talk that Bentley, Le Moyne, Mercyhurst and Southern New Hampshire University will also rumored to move to D1 as will. As AEC, MAAC and NEC that could still be picked apart? Those 4 names are popping up as potiential replacement schools as well to help keep those three D1 conferences to survive.

Le Moyne MAAC
Mercyhurst MAAC
Bentley NEC
Southern New Hampshire NEC

Bentley, Le Moyne, Mercyhurst and Southern New Hampshire As 4 More D2 Call Ups


Well, we have 6 schools there all private.

Mercyhurst is legit, but I don't think the other three are nearly as serious or far along in that process.

(03-23-2022 06:15 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  Mercyhurst is legit, but I don't think the other three are nearly as serious or far along in that process.

Already DI in Ice Hockey (Men's and Women's), and Water Polo plays all division championships, and lots of sports - 26 total

Mercyhurst is intriguing. I grew up about an hour west of there. They are private so they won’t have PASSHE slowing them down. They’re Catholic too and should fit right end. The question is so all those NYC area schools want to come out to Erie.

(I’m assuming they want the MAAC and not the NEC but they could join either)