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(05-17-2022 02:35 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Vladimir Putin Decides He Is a Better General Than His Generals and Takes the Reins in Ukraine


Quote:As the Red Army closed in on der Führerbunker, Adolf Hitler tried to ward off the inevitable by giving orders to divisions and regiments that had long since disappeared into the meatgrinder of the Eastern Front. In the dark days of the Vietnam War, President Lyndon Johnson whiled away the dwindling days of his failed presidency by personally selecting the targets to be bombed in North Vietnam. Jimmy Carter was involved in the tactical details for the abortive hostage rescue mission into Iran known as Operation Eagle Claw, or Desert One. Now we’re hearing of another failed political leader donning the hat of a tactician and running his own war, that would be Russian President Vladimir Putin.

President Putin is making low-level tactical decisions that would normally be decided by an officer in charge of as few as 700 Russian troops, western military sources say.

A military source said that Putin and General Valery Gerasimov, chief of the general staff, were dictating basic movements of their forces in Ukraine.

“We think Putin and Gerasimov are involved in tactical decision-making at a level we would normally expect to be taken by a colonel or a brigadier”, the source said.


“Western military sources” may or may not be a meaningful qualification, but when we put this together with some other stories, perhaps we can get a closer peek at the truth.

There were multiple reports of a politico-military shakeup in Moscow in late April. Vladimir Putin, we were told, would hand off domestic policy to his deputy and devote his massive, superhuman brain to winning the war in Ukraine. The chief of the Russian military’s general staff, Valery Gerasimov, was told to take charge of the running of the war see Russian Army in Ukraine Undergoing Major Command Shake-Up, Sources Say. The upshot of that experiment was Gerasimov nearly being splattered across the landscape (Mysterious Ammunition Dump Explosion Rocks Russia and Did Ukraine Nearly Kill Russia’s Top Military Officer?),

Another story came out last week that definitely has the ring of truth, Russian generals turning on each other to avoid Putin’s purge, says Ben Wallace. The Ben Wallace in the headline is the British Defence Secretary, so, as sources go, that is pretty solid.

During a visit to Finland, Ben Wallace said military leaders were blaming each other for the “disaster” and feared being purged if the “quagmire” turns into a panicked retreat.

Military chiefs in the general staff were the scapegoats for President Putin’s failed invasion, he said, adding that those in the military system were “always terrified they are about to be purged and pushed out”.

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“There is a point of tension in the system. As much as they respect the former KGB man [Putin] for being a strong leader, the Russian general staff are going to be made scapegoats for his mess.

“He [Putin] would be foolish, potentially, to blame Gerasimov and the other generals for what is predominantly a politically, emotive-driven invasion defying all logic. It’s a political decision he took, not a military one, and he needs to wear that decision.”

There is no one close to Putin who has told him to abandon plans to seize Ukraine, Wallace said, adding that the war could “very quickly turn from a quagmire to a rout” if the Russians collapse like they did north of Kyiv.

It doesn’t take much imagination to understand how in any bureaucracy, you want to avoid being around a project that starts to look like a failure. It isn’t enough that you, yourself, avoid the taint (ewwww), but you have to avoid colleagues who might be tainted. General officers would be keenly aware the situation in Ukraine has deteriorated to the point that even the Russian-bot accounts on Twitter and Telegram are complaining about how slow and in the wrong direction things are moving. Knowing that the commander-in-chief was the prime mover for the invasion and has a habit of whacking people who get out of line (6 Russian Oligarchs Commit Suicide in Mysterious Outbreak of Epstein Syndrome), you’d do well to run like the devil from anything vaguely concerned with Ukraine.

We cannot empirically evaluate this story’s accuracy, but we can say it is highly plausible. This war is Putin’s baby. He wasn’t snookered into invading; he’d made his mind up months earlier. In retrospect, Putin telegraphed this war in his June 2021 essay “On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians,” you can read the original essay here or a good analysis of the essay’s meaning here. He might have been fed information shaped to conform to his preconceived notion of how an invasion would play out, but autocrats collect sycophants; if you want the truth, you can’t be in the business of killing messengers. We do know that a day into the war, he showed signs of discomfort (Putin Shows Signs of Panic, as He Calls on Ukraine Military to Mutiny) and that rumors flared about Putin purging FSB officers who’d provided the intelligence assessment on Ukraine (Trouble in Paradise: Putin Arrests Senior FSB Officers Over Ukraine Fiasco).

If Gerasimov was chased out of Ukraine by a volley of artillery shells, it is easy to see Putin looking over the shoulder of the field commander and telling him what to do. If the generals fear a purge, you can easily see them doing exactly what they are told and creating a paper trail to prove their obedience.

As I’ve mentioned before, my gut feeling is that Putin sees himself as the smartest guy he knows and has unshakable faith in his ability to maneuver. You can easily imagine Putin, rather than Barack Obama, saying, “I think that I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters. I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m gonna think I’m a better political director than my political director.” That kind of hubris and a realization that one’s political life, or real life, might depend upon a successful military outcome could easily lure a politician into deciding that he’s a better general than his generals.


While thats all true---its kinda always been true. The Russian command structure has always been very top down. Its always lacked the dissemination of information and delegation of authority necessary to allow unit level commanders to utilize their immediate battlefield initiative to achieve success despite the tactical conditions not conforming to the original plan/orders. Thats how you get a 40 mile column stuck for a week and generals killed by the dozens on the front lines. Generals are literally having to come down to the front line to sort things out. Sounds to me like lack of lower level control is now worse than ever.
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(05-17-2022 02:31 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Most of the people in Eastern Ukraine speak Russian because they are Russians. The reasons Russians are in Eastern Ukraine is because a few generations back the Tsars, then the Commies, killed off or forcibly migrated the Ukrainians there out.

No good guys, but some bad guys are worse than others.

Again, that's a Russian lie. The Donbas is 60% ethnically Ukrainian.

But they were part of one country, run by Russians.
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(05-17-2022 03:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 02:31 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Most of the people in Eastern Ukraine speak Russian because they are Russians. The reasons Russians are in Eastern Ukraine is because a few generations back the Tsars, then the Commies, killed off or forcibly migrated the Ukrainians there out.

No good guys, but some bad guys are worse than others.

Again, that's a Russian lie. The Donbas is 60% ethnically Ukrainian.

But they were part of one country, run by Russians.

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(05-18-2022 08:12 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 03:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 02:31 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Most of the people in Eastern Ukraine speak Russian because they are Russians. The reasons Russians are in Eastern Ukraine is because a few generations back the Tsars, then the Commies, killed off or forcibly migrated the Ukrainians there out.

No good guys, but some bad guys are worse than others.

Again, that's a Russian lie. The Donbas is 60% ethnically Ukrainian.

But they were part of one country, run by Russians.

sure
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Interesting link. But the fact is the census says the Donbas is 60% ethnically Ukrainian. And overwhelmingly Russian speaking. Russian was widely spoken behind the iron curtain and of course in the USSR.
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Now, this might just stop the Russians dead in their tracks. 03-lmfao

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(05-18-2022 11:51 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Now, this might just stop the Russians dead in their tracks. 03-lmfao


lol-----This probably does little more than raise the average Russian's life expectancy.
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(05-18-2022 11:51 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Now, this might just stop the Russians dead in their tracks. 03-lmfao


lol-----This probably does little more than raise the average Russian's life expectancy.

Don't think it is measurable compared to the Vodka drinking in the evening, in the afternoon, at lunch, in the morning....
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Good news, the US Embassy in Kyiv is back open!

https://thehill.com/policy/international...g-in-kyiv/
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(05-18-2022 12:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-18-2022 11:51 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Now, this might just stop the Russians dead in their tracks. 03-lmfao


lol-----This probably does little more than raise the average Russian's life expectancy.

Don't think it is measurable compared to the Vodka drinking in the evening, in the afternoon, at lunch, in the morning....

That place is a mess. Drug Resistant Tuberculosis is estimated to be in the 80-85 cases per 100,000 range there. Compare that to 3 per 100,000 in the US.
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(05-18-2022 03:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-18-2022 01:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-18-2022 12:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-18-2022 11:51 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Now, this might just stop the Russians dead in their tracks. 03-lmfao


lol-----This probably does little more than raise the average Russian's life expectancy.

Don't think it is measurable compared to the Vodka drinking in the evening, in the afternoon, at lunch, in the morning....

That place is a mess. Drug Resistant Tuberculosis is estimated to be in the 80-85 cases per 100,000 range there. Compare that to 3 per 100,000 in the US.

Looks like an opening for McDowell's.

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(05-18-2022 11:51 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Now, this might just stop the Russians dead in their tracks. 03-lmfao


I thought I had read they will sell off their McDonald’s businesses in Russia.

I didn’t look into the details but I expected that would mean corporate McDonald’s won’t own it. I doubt it would be franchise type of deals but I figured there would still be McDonalds so people could still get their poison burgers.

I maybe wrong on this and maybe the don’t want McDonald’s showing anywhere in that country. Anywho, China is 10x more and bet you won’t see that.
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(05-18-2022 03:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-18-2022 01:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-18-2022 12:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-18-2022 11:51 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Now, this might just stop the Russians dead in their tracks. 03-lmfao


lol-----This probably does little more than raise the average Russian's life expectancy.

Don't think it is measurable compared to the Vodka drinking in the evening, in the afternoon, at lunch, in the morning....

That place is a mess. Drug Resistant Tuberculosis is estimated to be in the 80-85 cases per 100,000 range there. Compare that to 3 per 100,000 in the US.

Well virtually everyone has exposure to TB. Its so prevalent.
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(05-18-2022 11:51 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Now, this might just stop the Russians dead in their tracks. 03-lmfao


I thought I had read they will sell off their McDonald’s businesses in Russia.

I didn’t look into the details but I expected that would mean corporate McDonald’s won’t own it. I doubt it would be franchise type of deals but I figured there would still be McDonalds so people could still get their poison burgers.

I maybe wrong on this and maybe the don’t want McDonald’s showing anywhere in that country. Anywho, China is 10x more and bet you won’t see that.
No. They are removing all the signage. "Dearching" is how they described it.
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(05-18-2022 04:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-18-2022 04:18 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  
(05-18-2022 11:51 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Now, this might just stop the Russians dead in their tracks. 03-lmfao


I thought I had read they will sell off their McDonald’s businesses in Russia.

I didn’t look into the details but I expected that would mean corporate McDonald’s won’t own it. I doubt it would be franchise type of deals but I figured there would still be McDonalds so people could still get their poison burgers.

I maybe wrong on this and maybe the don’t want McDonald’s showing anywhere in that country. Anywho, China is 10x more and bet you won’t see that.
No. They are removing all the signage. "Dearching" is how they described it.

Thanks
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(05-18-2022 04:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-18-2022 04:18 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  
(05-18-2022 11:51 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Now, this might just stop the Russians dead in their tracks. 03-lmfao


I thought I had read they will sell off their McDonald’s businesses in Russia.

I didn’t look into the details but I expected that would mean corporate McDonald’s won’t own it. I doubt it would be franchise type of deals but I figured there would still be McDonalds so people could still get their poison burgers.

I maybe wrong on this and maybe the don’t want McDonald’s showing anywhere in that country. Anywho, China is 10x more and bet you won’t see that.
No. They are removing all the signage. "Dearching" is how they described it.

Thanks

But franchaises have to buy all their equipment and supplies from the McDonalds corporation to ensure uniformity. I assume that wont be the case going forward. They might sell hamburgers there---but the products wont be coming from the McDonalds lines.
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perfect. I guess we can quit sending Ukraine money and weapons.

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(05-18-2022 05:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-18-2022 05:24 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  
(05-18-2022 04:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-18-2022 04:18 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  
(05-18-2022 11:51 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Now, this might just stop the Russians dead in their tracks. 03-lmfao


I thought I had read they will sell off their McDonald’s businesses in Russia.

I didn’t look into the details but I expected that would mean corporate McDonald’s won’t own it. I doubt it would be franchise type of deals but I figured there would still be McDonalds so people could still get their poison burgers.

I maybe wrong on this and maybe the don’t want McDonald’s showing anywhere in that country. Anywho, China is 10x more and bet you won’t see that.
No. They are removing all the signage. "Dearching" is how they described it.

Thanks

But franchaises have to buy all their equipment and supplies from the McDonalds corporation to ensure uniformity. I assume that wont be the case going forward. They might sell hamburgers there---but the products wont be coming from the McDonalds lines.

Honestly, if I was over in Russia I'd be opening up a bunch of burger fast food joints with a new name and similar servings on menus after assessing how successful McDonalds actually was in certain locations along with a lot of other things.

My Motto "F Mickey D's and their Poison burgers. Get the same items except real food and better tasting from McNatibeast2.0" hahah
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Another sign the "special operation" isn't going well, Russia considers eliminating age limits for contract soldiers -

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