(03-30-2022 09:23 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 09:18 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 09:16 AM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  SBC3 ended up having to pay around 2M which is less than I thought.

Where do you get that number from?

There are rumors on the CUSA board that the number is $1.9mm. But neither the conference nor the schools have or will release anything official.

Thanks, so we won’t really know unless someone’s forces one of the schools to release the amount paid

(03-30-2022 09:25 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 09:23 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 09:18 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 09:16 AM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  SBC3 ended up having to pay around 2M which is less than I thought.

Where do you get that number from?

There are rumors on the CUSA board that the number is $1.9mm. But neither the conference nor the schools have or will release anything official.

Thanks, so we won’t really know unless someone’s forces one of the schools to release the amount paid

Yep. I would expect some beat writer for one of the schools, leaving or remaining, to file an FOIA request.

I find the newfound feeling of superiority by the Sun Belt fans to be pretty funny, actually. There just isn't a lot of history of good football in that conference, with a couple exceptions. Certainly not enough to think it is a better conference than the new AAC.

There are some good teams, but a lot of that is not sustainable.

I break down the SBC into a few groups.

GOOD programs that will likely sustain success in football:
App State - Seems to be good no matter what division, conference, or coach. Plug and play.
Marshall - Tons of history. Usually fields a good team.
Louisiana - Lots of conference championships and bowl wins. Good program, and will likely continue to be one.

Flash in the pan. Unsustainable.
Coastal Carolina

Potential... maybe that's all it is.
Georgia State
Southern Miss - They have a lot of history. It has been a struggle of late. Can they recover?
James Madison - We just have no idea how they will compete over time in FBS. Maybe they'll pull an App... maybe not.

Bad bad bad... and will stay bad, most likely.
Arkansas State
South Alabama
Troy
UL-Monroe
Texas State
ODU
Georgia Southern

(03-30-2022 09:38 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I find the newfound feeling of superiority by the Sun Belt fans to be pretty funny, actually. There just isn't a lot of history of good football in that conference, with a couple exceptions. Certainly not enough to think it is a better conference than the new AAC.

I have really enjoyed this. They're acting like they're some new superconference when really 5 of the 6 major programs were the worst in CUSA. I fully expect for CUSA 2022 to be much better this season in football & basketball without those 3.

(03-30-2022 09:38 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I find the newfound feeling of superiority by the Sun Belt fans to be pretty funny, actually. There just isn't a lot of history of good football in that conference, with a couple exceptions. Certainly not enough to think it is a better conference than the new AAC.

There are some good teams, but a lot of that is not sustainable.

I break down the SBC into a few groups.

GOOD programs that will likely sustain success in football:
App State - Seems to be good no matter what division, conference, or coach. Plug and play.
Marshall - Tons of history. Usually fields a good team.
Louisiana - Lots of conference championships and bowl wins. Good program, and will likely continue to be one.

Flash in the pan. Unsustainable.
Coastal Carolina

Potential... maybe that's all it is.
Georgia State
Southern Miss - They have a lot of history. It has been a struggle of late. Can they recover?
James Madison - We just have no idea how they will compete over time in FBS. Maybe they'll pull an App... maybe not.

Bad bad bad... and will stay bad, most likely.
Arkansas State
South Alabama
Troy
UL-Monroe
Texas State
ODU
Georgia Southern

Where would ECU fall on your list? Bad bad bad or really bad bad bad?

(03-30-2022 12:21 PM)everyone Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 09:38 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I find the newfound feeling of superiority by the Sun Belt fans to be pretty funny, actually. There just isn't a lot of history of good football in that conference, with a couple exceptions. Certainly not enough to think it is a better conference than the new AAC.

There are some good teams, but a lot of that is not sustainable.

I break down the SBC into a few groups.

GOOD programs that will likely sustain success in football:
App State - Seems to be good no matter what division, conference, or coach. Plug and play.
Marshall - Tons of history. Usually fields a good team.
Louisiana - Lots of conference championships and bowl wins. Good program, and will likely continue to be one.

Flash in the pan. Unsustainable.
Coastal Carolina

Potential... maybe that's all it is.
Georgia State
Southern Miss - They have a lot of history. It has been a struggle of late. Can they recover?
James Madison - We just have no idea how they will compete over time in FBS. Maybe they'll pull an App... maybe not.

Bad bad bad... and will stay bad, most likely.
Arkansas State
South Alabama
Troy
UL-Monroe
Texas State
ODU
Georgia Southern

Where would ECU fall on your list? Bad bad bad or really bad bad bad?

ECU would (now) compete for the Sun Belt title every year.

The last 5-6 years are history. Scottie Montgomery torpedoed our program. Last year was a great indication that the old ECU is well on its way to being back.

(03-30-2022 09:48 AM)Auburn_Blazer Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 09:38 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I find the newfound feeling of superiority by the Sun Belt fans to be pretty funny, actually. There just isn't a lot of history of good football in that conference, with a couple exceptions. Certainly not enough to think it is a better conference than the new AAC.

I have really enjoyed this. They're acting like they're some new superconference when really 5 of the 6 major programs were the worst in CUSA. I fully expect for CUSA 2022 to be much better this season in football & basketball without those 3.

It’s led by the Marshall fans. Will be interesting going forward. The Sunbelt East looks to be solid. The Sunbelt West is another story.

clt asks again why a lowly sunbelt fan is on this chat page anyway?

(03-30-2022 12:27 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 12:21 PM)everyone Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 09:38 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I find the newfound feeling of superiority by the Sun Belt fans to be pretty funny, actually. There just isn't a lot of history of good football in that conference, with a couple exceptions. Certainly not enough to think it is a better conference than the new AAC.

There are some good teams, but a lot of that is not sustainable.

I break down the SBC into a few groups.

GOOD programs that will likely sustain success in football:
App State - Seems to be good no matter what division, conference, or coach. Plug and play.
Marshall - Tons of history. Usually fields a good team.
Louisiana - Lots of conference championships and bowl wins. Good program, and will likely continue to be one.

Flash in the pan. Unsustainable.
Coastal Carolina

Potential... maybe that's all it is.
Georgia State
Southern Miss - They have a lot of history. It has been a struggle of late. Can they recover?
James Madison - We just have no idea how they will compete over time in FBS. Maybe they'll pull an App... maybe not.

Bad bad bad... and will stay bad, most likely.
Arkansas State
South Alabama
Troy
UL-Monroe
Texas State
ODU
Georgia Southern

Where would ECU fall on your list? Bad bad bad or really bad bad bad?

ECU would (now) compete for the Sun Belt title every year.

The last 5-6 years are history. Scottie Montgomery torpedoed our program. Last year was a great indication that the old ECU is well on its way to being back.

dude your recency bias is kicking in hard. Troy and Ga Southern have a history of having good football. Ark St had a very good run until App came in and took over. ODU and South Alabama have loads of potential. I can't figure out Texas State. ULM is facing serious headwinds and will likely be bad.

Honestly you can set up the AAC in roughly the same fashion

Theres a few good programs like SMU Memphis recently and Navy. Then theres the "potential programs" that hit a home run every once in a while and oscillate in the standings hard, and then theres a few bottom feeders, which ECU has been for the better part of a decade.

FYI ECU would finish 4th in the SBC east last year.

(03-30-2022 02:55 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 12:27 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 12:21 PM)everyone Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 09:38 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I find the newfound feeling of superiority by the Sun Belt fans to be pretty funny, actually. There just isn't a lot of history of good football in that conference, with a couple exceptions. Certainly not enough to think it is a better conference than the new AAC.

There are some good teams, but a lot of that is not sustainable.

I break down the SBC into a few groups.

GOOD programs that will likely sustain success in football:
App State - Seems to be good no matter what division, conference, or coach. Plug and play.
Marshall - Tons of history. Usually fields a good team.
Louisiana - Lots of conference championships and bowl wins. Good program, and will likely continue to be one.

Flash in the pan. Unsustainable.
Coastal Carolina

Potential... maybe that's all it is.
Georgia State
Southern Miss - They have a lot of history. It has been a struggle of late. Can they recover?
James Madison - We just have no idea how they will compete over time in FBS. Maybe they'll pull an App... maybe not.

Bad bad bad... and will stay bad, most likely.
Arkansas State
South Alabama
Troy
UL-Monroe
Texas State
ODU
Georgia Southern

Where would ECU fall on your list? Bad bad bad or really bad bad bad?

ECU would (now) compete for the Sun Belt title every year.

The last 5-6 years are history. Scottie Montgomery torpedoed our program. Last year was a great indication that the old ECU is well on its way to being back.

dude your recency bias is kicking in hard. Troy and Ga Southern have a history of having good football. Ark St had a very good run until App came in and took over. ODU and South Alabama have loads of potential. I can't figure out Texas State. ULM is facing serious headwinds and will likely be bad.

Honestly you can set up the AAC in roughly the same fashion

Theres a few good programs like SMU Memphis recently and Navy. Then theres the "potential programs" that hit a home run every once in a while and oscillate in the standings hard, and then theres a few bottom feeders, which ECU has been for the better part of a decade.

FYI ECU would finish 4th in the SBC east last year.

Troy and Ark St have been good in the SBC and have the potential to come back. Georgia Southern is still TBD for me. They were top tier in FCS but if they don't really show more life in the next decade, I think it's fair to say they didn't translate to the same level in FBS as they were in FCS.

(03-30-2022 02:55 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  FYI ECU would finish 4th in the SBC east last year.

ecu was extremely good in c-usa.. there issue has been the level of competition, are we going to pretend ecu didnt aver 9 wins from 07-014.. the aac went into a arms race, that ecu wasnt going to match...in the sunbelt ecu would be one of the biggest programs (even without aac resources)

ecu in the sunbelt is a top 3 team yearly .. most of the top teams in the sunbelt would be ecu in the aac. as they would have the same issue
the top of the aac is easily willing to spend 3mill-5mil on the coach salaries alone, no one in the sunbelt is over 1 mil

(03-30-2022 03:38 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 02:55 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  FYI ECU would finish 4th in the SBC east last year.

ecu was extremely good in c-usa.. there issue has been the level of competition, are we going to pretend ecu didnt aver 9 wins from 07-014.. the aac went into a arms race, that ecu wasnt going to match...in the sunbelt ecu would be one of the biggest programs (even without aac resources)

ecu in the sunbelt is a top 3 team yearly .. most of the top teams in the sunbelt would be ecu in the aac. as they would have the same issue
the top of the aac is easily willing to spend 3mill-5mil on the coach salaries alone, no one in the sunbelt is over 1 mil

We'll see if that stays true in the AAC 2.0, the media deal will shrink losing their top three programs. It's already shrunk for the newbies as they receive 1/3 of the legacy members.

(03-31-2022 07:59 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 03:38 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 02:55 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  FYI ECU would finish 4th in the SBC east last year.

ecu was extremely good in c-usa.. there issue has been the level of competition, are we going to pretend ecu didnt aver 9 wins from 07-014.. the aac went into a arms race, that ecu wasnt going to match...in the sunbelt ecu would be one of the biggest programs (even without aac resources)

ecu in the sunbelt is a top 3 team yearly .. most of the top teams in the sunbelt would be ecu in the aac. as they would have the same issue
the top of the aac is easily willing to spend 3mill-5mil on the coach salaries alone, no one in the sunbelt is over 1 mil

We'll see if that stays true in the AAC 2.0, the media deal will shrink losing their top three programs. It's already shrunk for the newbies as they receive 1/3 of the legacy members.

Two things
1. The media deal hasn’t shrunken it’s just divided by 14 rather than 11
2. The remaining members are not getting a paycut, they’ll avg 7 million for contract life.
3. The new members are not getting 1/3, they will get 1/2 so over the life of the contract they would get 3.5 million.
4. The new members even at reduced amount will make more than SBC

As someone posted earlier the 7 million is an avg over the life of the contract.

(03-31-2022 10:14 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 07:59 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 03:38 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 02:55 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  FYI ECU would finish 4th in the SBC east last year.

ecu was extremely good in c-usa.. there issue has been the level of competition, are we going to pretend ecu didnt aver 9 wins from 07-014.. the aac went into a arms race, that ecu wasnt going to match...in the sunbelt ecu would be one of the biggest programs (even without aac resources)

ecu in the sunbelt is a top 3 team yearly .. most of the top teams in the sunbelt would be ecu in the aac. as they would have the same issue
the top of the aac is easily willing to spend 3mill-5mil on the coach salaries alone, no one in the sunbelt is over 1 mil

We'll see if that stays true in the AAC 2.0, the media deal will shrink losing their top three programs. It's already shrunk for the newbies as they receive 1/3 of the legacy members.

Two things
1. The media deal hasn’t shrunken it’s just divided by 14 rather than 11
2. The remaining members are not getting a paycut, they’ll avg 7 million for contract life.
3. The new members are not getting 1/3, they will get 1/2 so over the life of the contract they would get 3.5 million.
4. The new members even at reduced amount will make more than SBC

As someone posted earlier the 7 million is an avg over the life of the contract.

How do NCAA Credits factor into this? Will it be an even split or reduced split? I am just curious if, for instance, UAB makes the NCAA Basketball tournament and wins some games and brings some credits in, will we still get a reduced share of them even though we earned them for everyone else?

(03-31-2022 10:17 AM)Engblazr Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 10:14 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 07:59 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 03:38 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 02:55 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  FYI ECU would finish 4th in the SBC east last year.

ecu was extremely good in c-usa.. there issue has been the level of competition, are we going to pretend ecu didnt aver 9 wins from 07-014.. the aac went into a arms race, that ecu wasnt going to match...in the sunbelt ecu would be one of the biggest programs (even without aac resources)

ecu in the sunbelt is a top 3 team yearly .. most of the top teams in the sunbelt would be ecu in the aac. as they would have the same issue
the top of the aac is easily willing to spend 3mill-5mil on the coach salaries alone, no one in the sunbelt is over 1 mil

We'll see if that stays true in the AAC 2.0, the media deal will shrink losing their top three programs. It's already shrunk for the newbies as they receive 1/3 of the legacy members.

Two things
1. The media deal hasn’t shrunken it’s just divided by 14 rather than 11
2. The remaining members are not getting a paycut, they’ll avg 7 million for contract life.
3. The new members are not getting 1/3, they will get 1/2 so over the life of the contract they would get 3.5 million.
4. The new members even at reduced amount will make more than SBC

As someone posted earlier the 7 million is an avg over the life of the contract.

How do NCAA Credits factor into this? Will it be an even split or reduced split? I am just curious if, for instance, UAB makes the NCAA Basketball tournament and wins some games and brings some credits in, will we still get a reduced share of them even though we earned them for everyone else?

That’s up to the league to decide. UAB will be leaving any tourney units at CUSA. So when they come on board in 2023-24 they will probably be eligible for the following.
1. The TV payout which should be around 2.5-3.0 million
2. Money from CFP playoffs and bowl games about 1.5 million
3. The NCAA basketball units are usually only shared by schools there to earned them, so the new schools wouldn’t get much for first few years. That is unless the league decides to share all units from the start.

(03-31-2022 10:17 AM)Engblazr Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 10:14 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 07:59 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 03:38 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 02:55 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  FYI ECU would finish 4th in the SBC east last year.

ecu was extremely good in c-usa.. there issue has been the level of competition, are we going to pretend ecu didnt aver 9 wins from 07-014.. the aac went into a arms race, that ecu wasnt going to match...in the sunbelt ecu would be one of the biggest programs (even without aac resources)

ecu in the sunbelt is a top 3 team yearly .. most of the top teams in the sunbelt would be ecu in the aac. as they would have the same issue
the top of the aac is easily willing to spend 3mill-5mil on the coach salaries alone, no one in the sunbelt is over 1 mil

We'll see if that stays true in the AAC 2.0, the media deal will shrink losing their top three programs. It's already shrunk for the newbies as they receive 1/3 of the legacy members.

Two things
1. The media deal hasn’t shrunken it’s just divided by 14 rather than 11
2. The remaining members are not getting a paycut, they’ll avg 7 million for contract life.
3. The new members are not getting 1/3, they will get 1/2 so over the life of the contract they would get 3.5 million.
4. The new members even at reduced amount will make more than SBC

As someone posted earlier the 7 million is an avg over the life of the contract.

How do NCAA Credits factor into this? Will it be an even split or reduced split? I am just curious if, for instance, UAB makes the NCAA Basketball tournament and wins some games and brings some credits in, will we still get a reduced share of them even though we earned them for everyone else?

As an example to your question, let’s assume that UAB and the new members would have played in AAC this year as a 14 team league.
So the league has amassed 27 units over 6 year period, with 6 coming this past year.
27*300,000= 8.1 million
Shared equally all 14 would get 578,000 each
If 21 were shared by 8 and only the new year 6 shared by all 14
Then the new 6 would get 128,000 each
The remaining 8 would get 915,000 each.
Each year the numbers would get closer as all the units would be shared equally.
But the league would decide which way they will share those units

(03-31-2022 10:14 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 07:59 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 03:38 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 02:55 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  FYI ECU would finish 4th in the SBC east last year.

ecu was extremely good in c-usa.. there issue has been the level of competition, are we going to pretend ecu didnt aver 9 wins from 07-014.. the aac went into a arms race, that ecu wasnt going to match...in the sunbelt ecu would be one of the biggest programs (even without aac resources)

ecu in the sunbelt is a top 3 team yearly .. most of the top teams in the sunbelt would be ecu in the aac. as they would have the same issue
the top of the aac is easily willing to spend 3mill-5mil on the coach salaries alone, no one in the sunbelt is over 1 mil

We'll see if that stays true in the AAC 2.0, the media deal will shrink losing their top three programs. It's already shrunk for the newbies as they receive 1/3 of the legacy members.

Two things
1. The media deal hasn’t shrunken it’s just divided by 14 rather than 11
2. The remaining members are not getting a paycut, they’ll avg 7 million for contract life.
3. The new members are not getting 1/3, they will get 1/2 so over the life of the contract they would get 3.5 million.
4. The new members even at reduced amount will make more than SBC

As someone posted earlier the 7 million is an avg over the life of the contract.

That's four, but ok.

*hasn't yet. Thus I used the term "will" shrink. I fully expect the deal will be renegotiated before it ends.

Never said the legacy members were getting a pay cut. I've heard (nothing more than message board drivel) the incoming members payout is closer to 1/3 than 1/2 of legacy members. Is there a definitive source for the $3.5M?

(03-31-2022 12:26 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 10:14 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 07:59 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 03:38 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 02:55 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  FYI ECU would finish 4th in the SBC east last year.

ecu was extremely good in c-usa.. there issue has been the level of competition, are we going to pretend ecu didnt aver 9 wins from 07-014.. the aac went into a arms race, that ecu wasnt going to match...in the sunbelt ecu would be one of the biggest programs (even without aac resources)

ecu in the sunbelt is a top 3 team yearly .. most of the top teams in the sunbelt would be ecu in the aac. as they would have the same issue
the top of the aac is easily willing to spend 3mill-5mil on the coach salaries alone, no one in the sunbelt is over 1 mil

We'll see if that stays true in the AAC 2.0, the media deal will shrink losing their top three programs. It's already shrunk for the newbies as they receive 1/3 of the legacy members.

Two things
1. The media deal hasn’t shrunken it’s just divided by 14 rather than 11
2. The remaining members are not getting a paycut, they’ll avg 7 million for contract life.
3. The new members are not getting 1/3, they will get 1/2 so over the life of the contract they would get 3.5 million.
4. The new members even at reduced amount will make more than SBC

As someone posted earlier the 7 million is an avg over the life of the contract.

That's four, but ok.

*hasn't yet. Thus I used the term "will" shrink. I fully expect the deal will be renegotiated before it ends.

Never said the legacy members were getting a pay cut. I've heard (nothing more than message board drivel) the incoming members payout is closer to 1/3 than 1/2 of legacy members. Is there a definitive source for the $3.5M?

You are correct it’s four not two.
As for the tv amount being reduced, unless there are more changes it has been established that it’s remaining.
Now as someone posted on another thread the contract is 7 million per team as an avg for the length of the contract, so no one is making 7 million right now.
First year of the contract was 2020-21 was probably around 5 million or so with it increasing yearly until it gets to about 9 million by end of contract, to average 7 per year. So assume the incoming will get half of it since they are splitting the amount the three are leaving.

(03-30-2022 09:48 AM)Auburn_Blazer Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 09:38 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I find the newfound feeling of superiority by the Sun Belt fans to be pretty funny, actually. There just isn't a lot of history of good football in that conference, with a couple exceptions. Certainly not enough to think it is a better conference than the new AAC.

I have really enjoyed this. They're acting like they're some new superconference when really 5 of the 6 major programs were the worst in CUSA. I fully expect for CUSA 2022 to be much better this season in football & basketball without those 3.

They have history! But it's all 1-AA/FCS history.

(03-31-2022 01:08 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 12:26 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 10:14 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 07:59 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 03:38 PM)pesik Wrote:  ecu was extremely good in c-usa.. there issue has been the level of competition, are we going to pretend ecu didnt aver 9 wins from 07-014.. the aac went into a arms race, that ecu wasnt going to match...in the sunbelt ecu would be one of the biggest programs (even without aac resources)

ecu in the sunbelt is a top 3 team yearly .. most of the top teams in the sunbelt would be ecu in the aac. as they would have the same issue
the top of the aac is easily willing to spend 3mill-5mil on the coach salaries alone, no one in the sunbelt is over 1 mil

We'll see if that stays true in the AAC 2.0, the media deal will shrink losing their top three programs. It's already shrunk for the newbies as they receive 1/3 of the legacy members.

Two things
1. The media deal hasn’t shrunken it’s just divided by 14 rather than 11
2. The remaining members are not getting a paycut, they’ll avg 7 million for contract life.
3. The new members are not getting 1/3, they will get 1/2 so over the life of the contract they would get 3.5 million.
4. The new members even at reduced amount will make more than SBC

As someone posted earlier the 7 million is an avg over the life of the contract.

That's four, but ok.

*hasn't yet. Thus I used the term "will" shrink. I fully expect the deal will be renegotiated before it ends.

Never said the legacy members were getting a pay cut. I've heard (nothing more than message board drivel) the incoming members payout is closer to 1/3 than 1/2 of legacy members. Is there a definitive source for the $3.5M?

You are correct it’s four not two.
As for the tv amount being reduced, unless there are more changes it has been established that it’s remaining.
Now as someone posted on another thread the contract is 7 million per team as an avg for the length of the contract, so no one is making 7 million right now.
First year of the contract was 2020-21 was probably around 5 million or so with it increasing yearly until it gets to about 9 million by end of contract, to average 7 per year. So assume the incoming will get half of it since they are splitting the amount the three are leaving.

Got it. So half next year would be ~$2.5 for new members escalating over the term and averaging ~$3.5M per year (or 50% of legacy members).