We’ve all said it was a great win. We’ve said kudos to Penny for it. It’s great.

However everybody can see his substitution patterns are ridiculous. Everybody sees it. In every game. The local media, the national media, hacks like us, everybody.

Yesterday our starters outscored Houston by 27 points when they were on the court together which was exactly 13 minutes and 50 seconds. That’s an incredible number and in just 13:50.

Again everybody sees it. Well, almost everybody.

Regardless yesterday was a great great win.

(02-13-2022 09:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-13-2022 09:51 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-13-2022 09:38 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-13-2022 09:25 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-13-2022 08:25 AM)450bench Wrote:  We won this game in spite of the insane substitution pattern Penny uses. It hurt us in the first half but he limited it in the second half and that won the game.
Penny deserves credit for win and NOT doing that in the second half but, regardless, it’s maddening.

What lineup was insane in the first half...

I didn't really notice a terrible lineup in the 1st half especially considering Deandre wasn't available.

Read TigerDBH’s explanation. It’s dead on.

You may feel it is dead on because it fits your narrative but it is not true.

Score was 14-4 when he began to sub

Score was 15-5 when he brought back in Nolley, Duren and Q...He shortly after brought ALO back in after that at 15-7 that is 4 starters back in and Deandre with 2 fouls so not available and we lost 2 points off the lead.

His substitutions changed the flow and momentum of the game at that point. He does it every game.

In the 1st half, Lester missed an open 3 at the 16:00 mark & Penny immediately sent Tyler to the scorers desk to sub for him. Geez, the guy played lock down defense & we were moving the ball great on offense. After the first four minute TV time out, he pulled Lester, Duren & DeAndre…. Crazy.

(02-13-2022 08:08 AM)Tigermoon Wrote:  Play the starters for the first 5 to 6 minutes, while also pressuring the ball, bring in fresh legs, sometimes they lose the “lead” but as long as the game is close, the tigers have a chance, the best players close the game out, the “ tigers” are really the best team in the AAC, they have figured it out, Minott is a great young talent, but he to got lost on defense a lot in this game, Nolley should have been starting the whole year along with Lester, they are ready now, this game showed them and the nation that the tigers are serving notice, Emoni an his crew has to adapt, our tigers are back, limit Jayden, Earl, Malcolm to limited minutes, and the team should be fine, but to play pressure defense and wear teams down, you have to have depth, and it’s paying off now, Williams in the most important player on the team[/b]

Unfortunately, Penny isn't playing the starters even 5-6 mins before he has a line change (when 8-10 mins would be much more the norm). And instead of a line change maybe individual subs as needed would be better.

SMH

Yeah, I shake my head too with every line change.

I just wish somebody would tell DeAndre Williams to not say another word to a ref for the rest of the season

(02-14-2022 12:11 PM)David Wrote:  I just wish somebody would tell DeAndre Williams to not say another word to a ref for the rest of the season

This^^^^

(02-14-2022 12:28 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 12:11 PM)David Wrote:  I just wish somebody would tell DeAndre Williams to not say another word to a ref for the rest of the season

This^^^^

^^THIS^^

(02-14-2022 01:32 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 12:28 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 12:11 PM)David Wrote:  I just wish somebody would tell DeAndre Williams to not say another word to a ref for the rest of the season

This^^^^

^^THIS^^

Don't leave it ambiguous, when facing a referee he should keep his mouth closed and breathe thru his nose.

(02-14-2022 01:39 PM)ImaTiger Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 01:32 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 12:28 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 12:11 PM)David Wrote:  I just wish somebody would tell DeAndre Williams to not say another word to a ref for the rest of the season

This^^^^

^^THIS^^

Don't leave it ambiguous, when facing a referee he should keep his mouth closed and breathe thru his nose.

If he doesn't change it is going to cost a game sooner or later.

(02-14-2022 02:31 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 01:39 PM)ImaTiger Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 01:32 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 12:28 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 12:11 PM)David Wrote:  I just wish somebody would tell DeAndre Williams to not say another word to a ref for the rest of the season

This^^^^

^^THIS^^

Don't leave it ambiguous, when facing a referee he should keep his mouth closed and breathe thru his nose.

If he doesn't change it is going to cost a game sooner or later.

YEP

No question

His sub patterns are intentional. It's not accidental or something he doesn't realize he's doing. It's a strategy. And it's not church league coaching, good grief.

He has developed a philosophy this season to play a lot of guys in the first half, and go with the veterans in the second. You can argue with the strategy, and I get frustrated with it sometimes too. But it is clearly a strategy the staff has developed.

And he's been doing it for awhile now - not just the Houston game.

(02-14-2022 09:25 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  His sub patterns are intentional. It's not accidental or something he doesn't realize he's doing. It's a strategy. And it's not church league coaching, good grief.

He has developed a philosophy this season to play a lot of guys in the first half, and go with the veterans in the second. You can argue with the strategy, and I get frustrated with it sometimes too. But it is clearly a strategy the staff has developed.

And he's been doing it for awhile now - not just the Houston game.

Usually in coaching when somebody comes up with a good idea, other coaches follow.

Doesn't seem to be the case here. Penny's on an island.

(02-14-2022 09:25 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  His sub patterns are intentional. It's not accidental or something he doesn't realize he's doing. It's a strategy. And it's not church league coaching, good grief.

He has developed a philosophy this season to play a lot of guys in the first half, and go with the veterans in the second. You can argue with the strategy, and I get frustrated with it sometimes too. But it is clearly a strategy the staff has developed.

And he's been doing it for awhile now - not just the Houston game.

The “staff” hasn’t developed that at all. Just Penny. It’s a massive source of frustration for Larry Brown.

(02-14-2022 09:32 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 09:25 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  His sub patterns are intentional. It's not accidental or something he doesn't realize he's doing. It's a strategy. And it's not church league coaching, good grief.

He has developed a philosophy this season to play a lot of guys in the first half, and go with the veterans in the second. You can argue with the strategy, and I get frustrated with it sometimes too. But it is clearly a strategy the staff has developed.

And he's been doing it for awhile now - not just the Houston game.

Usually in coaching when somebody comes up with a good idea, other coaches follow.

Doesn't seem to be the case here. Penny's on an island.

Not exactly

We have so many starting lineups due in large part to injuries
Many other coaches sub a lot

The above is true AND it feels as though he still needs some work. It is not terrible and ridiculous nor is it perfect

What seems to be missed by many is that starters play better when they can rest their legs. We were much fresher than Houston late. With that, it can be overdone. But cherry picking starter together plus minus ignores that they play better when in together be because they also got that rest

Leave them in too long and that plus minus will come down. Sometimes in short stints playing a lesser player makes sense. To this day Memememe wishes he had played Willie Kemp and Donneal Mack more minutes in the title game in 08. They were not as good as Rose and CDR. But spelling minutes earlier would have helped more later

Penny does seem to go to subs a little too early though and often plays Dandridge way too long.

But other than the Iowa State hangover most of the other 4 losses were injury aided

(02-13-2022 09:35 AM)TigerDBH Wrote:  

(02-13-2022 08:25 AM)450bench Wrote:  We won this game in spite of the insane substitution pattern Penny uses. It hurt us in the first half but he limited it in the second half and that won the game.
Penny deserves credit for win and NOT doing that in the second half but, regardless, it’s maddening.

Agreed. I hate the whole line change he does. Last night 15-4 and he pulls all the starters. We're down 2 before the all the starters are back in. Rest guys, bring in role players, etc, but the crazy line changes drives me crazy.

Regardless, he had the team ready for Houston last night. Go Penny! Go Tigers!

Not hard to understand. Houston is a good team but is short-handed. Penny has been beaten by a Houston team that made plays at the end of games and we didn’t. He kept legs fresh in the first half when Houston was playing 7 people. He also was dealing with foul issues. Penny was pressing more vs Houston which chipped away how Houston could respond down the stretch. Penny shortened the bench in the second half. We answered every run Houston made. This game Memphis was the strongest and freshest at the end of the game.

I don’t care how young a player is if you play a physical fast paced pressing game and a lot of minutes you get tired, especially if you have a bunch of players that have missed a bunch of games.

Penny’s game plan worked on the road vs a #6 ranked team. And people are complains about rotation decisions!

It wouldn’t have mattered if Houston had 5 players or 500 players, Penny was subbing guys and, in the first half, it hurt us. He does it every game and everybody knows it, comments on it. And it hurts us every single game.

In the second half, he didn’t do it and we won the game going away. Again, in this game our starters, when playing together, outscored Houston by 27 points. They only played together for just over 13 minutes.

We’ve all acknowledged how great this win was and have credited Penny, by the way, so give us a freaking break with that.

If Penny had played the starters for ten minutes or so in the first half, the score would have still balanced out, because the starters would have gotten tired and in foul trouble, you have to play your bench, I see the kids asking to come out all the time, Duden plays maybe three good hard minutes, and then he needs a blow, same with some of the other kids, the substitution patterns also confuse the other team, it will pay off come March Madness, some of those slow Big Ten teams would know what hit them, the stubbing is not what loss up games, it was a combination of a lot other things, but the sub pattern is not one of them

(02-14-2022 09:25 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  His sub patterns are intentional. It's not accidental or something he doesn't realize he's doing. It's a strategy. And it's not church league coaching, good grief.

He has developed a philosophy this season to play a lot of guys in the first half, and go with the veterans in the second. You can argue with the strategy, and I get frustrated with it sometimes too. But it is clearly a strategy the staff has developed.

And he's been doing it for awhile now - not just the Houston game.

I understand those who dissent, but this is how Penny sees it. This is how Finch did it too. And the same things we are saying about Penny we said about Finch. Finch didn't change and neither will Hardaway.