The PAC as lofty as what it is academically has said there is no AAU requirement to join its membership.

A central time zone presence would help the PAC at the TV negotiation window with earlier kick times.

PAC also is not very deep in basketball. Texas Tech/Baylor is about to become the UNC/Duke of the next generation with Chris Beard/Scott Drew going at it. I can see where these two in particular could help the PAC. TCU is not good in basketball and is only 40k seats in FB.

I'm going to need a few more choices to pick from.

(02-18-2022 02:56 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  The PAC as lofty as what it is academically has said there is no AAU requirement to join its membership.

A central time zone presence would help the PAC at the TV negotiation window with earlier kick times.

PAC also is not very deep in basketball. Texas Tech/Baylor is about to become the UNC/Duke of the next generation with Chris Beard/Scott Drew going at it. I can see where these two in particular could help the PAC. TCU is not good in basketball and is only 40k seats in FB.

Chris Beard has moved to Texas, his alma mater. His successor at TT is doing well, though. Right now, though, KU has a game and a half lead in conference play.

The PAC could easily expand to 15 and not have to acquiesce on any academic standards. Iowa State, Kansas, and Houston meet any imagined requirements that can be thrown out into the universe. Getting to 16 or even 18 is very doable, Kansas State, Texas tech, and Oklahoma state are all within the PAC's research standards albeit at the bottom. All have ARWU rankings and all have higher R&D budgets then the PAC's lowest Oregon at #154.

As I've stated numerous times, I do not think Academics will have anything to do with PAC expansion. I believe using academics in 2022 is a pointless endeavor when evaluating expansion candidates. Markets and viewership are much greater indicators.

I also think that we can not be completely football centric, you need to consider basketball when considering how a conference will think. Kansas is probably the worst college football program in the country but tops in basketball. Texas tech, Baylor, Houston, and Kansas have all been to the final 4 within the last 4 tournaments.

(02-18-2022 11:23 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-13-2022 11:20 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(02-13-2022 08:46 AM)goofus Wrote:  The PAC, Big Ten, ACC, ND and Kansas will merge together to form a 42-team Big Alliance Super conference.

Gotta love the BIG 42.

Why would the 14 team B1G want to subsidize 28 other schools?

It's too many, anyway. However, a partial merger with the PAC schools could be done. Getting those West Coast recruits would enhance the Big Ten tremendously and help shrink the perception gap with the SEC in football.

In a hypothetical addition where you're adding teams for theoretical central time zone exposure, you're adding more than two schools, IMO.

The Pac will never get any B10 team, so forget Nebraska. Nebraska is not going to take a 25 mil per year hair
cut. They may be able to raid the B12 and can raid the MWC. That is all the options they have.

I don't know if any Big12 school is jumping ship before the new media deals.

Especially after seeing how desired the Big10's media deal is. I wouldn't be surprised if the Pac12 loses schools.

PAC-13 has a nice ring to it with Notre Dame added.

(02-19-2022 06:07 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

It appears those who have voted in the poll that the PAC-12 is more likely to add MWC schools may be correct.

Academics may not be the issue.

Under the provisions of California State Law, California and UCLA teams could travel to compete in Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, Utah, or Wyoming, but not Iowa, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, or Idaho.

This would also make it difficult, for the PAC to add any schools in the Central time zone unless they're located in Louisiana, Nebraska, Minnesota, Missouri, Wisconsin, or Illinois.

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As much as the PAC-12 might want to add Big 12 schools at some point,
California and UCLA wouldn't be permitted to travel to TX, OK, KS, & IA unless the California Legislature would grant them an exemption permitting them to travel there for athletic competition (there's no reason to expect that such an exemption will be granted), or unless their States were to amend their laws eliminating the conflict with California Law.

The only other way the PAC could get around this limitation would be to have California and UCLA play in a division with no Big 12 schools and only play teams such as Oklahoma St. at home or on a neutral field a permitted State, such as Nebraska, Colorado, or NM - - as unlikely as that might be.

This might also prevent the PAC 12 from expanding into the Central Time Zone

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PROHIBITION ON STATE-FUNDED AND STATE-SPONSORED TRAVEL TO STATES WITH DISCRIMINATORY LAWS (ASSEMBLY BILL NO. 1887)

The travel prohibition applies to the University of California, the Board of Regents of the University of California, and the California State University. (Gov. Code, § 11139.8, subd. (b).)

The law also requires the Attorney General to develop, maintain, and post on his Internet Web site a current list of states that are subject to the travel ban. (Gov. Code, § 11139.8, subd. (e).)

States Subject to AB 1887’s Travel Prohibition
The following states are currently subject to California’s ban on state-funded and state-sponsored travel:

Alabama
Arkansas
Florida
Idaho
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Mississippi
Montana
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
West Virginia

The Legislature created exceptions in AB 1887 that allow travel to banned states in certain circumstances. (Gov. Code, § 11139.8, subd. ©.) These exceptions only apply if travel to a subject state is "required." (Ibid.)

https://oag.ca.gov/ab1887

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I DO think this is an overlooked issue, as it highlights the vast cultural divide between the PAC and many of the Central Time Zone schools. But I think either the exceptions do apply, or USC & UCLA are expecting a legislative fix in the next few years. Currently both schools are scheduled to make roadtrips that would run afoul of this travel ban -

USC @ Ole Miss 9/19/2026
UCLA @ Auburn 9/2/2028

(02-19-2022 10:21 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 06:07 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

It appears those who have voted in the poll that the PAC-12 is more likely to add MWC schools may be correct.

Academics may not be the issue.

Under the provisions of California State Law, California and UCLA teams could travel to compete in Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, Utah, or Wyoming, but not Iowa, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, or Idaho.

This would also make it difficult, for the PAC to add any schools in the Central time zone unless they're located in Louisiana, Nebraska, Minnesota, Missouri, Wisconsin, or Illinois.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

As much as the PAC-12 might want to add Big 12 schools at some point,
California and UCLA wouldn't be permitted to travel to TX, OK, KS, & IA unless the California Legislature would grant them an exemption permitting them to travel there for athletic competition (there's no reason to expect that such an exemption will be granted), or unless their States were to amend their laws eliminating the conflict with California Law.

The only other way the PAC could get around this limitation would be to have California and UCLA play in a division with no Big 12 schools and only play teams such as Oklahoma St. at home or on a neutral field a permitted State, such as Nebraska, Colorado, or NM - - as unlikely as that might be.

This might also prevent the PAC 12 from expanding into the Central Time Zone

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

PROHIBITION ON STATE-FUNDED AND STATE-SPONSORED TRAVEL TO STATES WITH DISCRIMINATORY LAWS (ASSEMBLY BILL NO. 1887)

The travel prohibition applies to the University of California, the Board of Regents of the University of California, and the California State University. (Gov. Code, § 11139.8, subd. (b).)

The law also requires the Attorney General to develop, maintain, and post on his Internet Web site a current list of states that are subject to the travel ban. (Gov. Code, § 11139.8, subd. (e).)

States Subject to AB 1887’s Travel Prohibition
The following states are currently subject to California’s ban on state-funded and state-sponsored travel:

Alabama
Arkansas
Florida
Idaho
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Mississippi
Montana
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
West Virginia

The Legislature created exceptions in AB 1887 that allow travel to banned states in certain circumstances. (Gov. Code, § 11139.8, subd. ©.) These exceptions only apply if travel to a subject state is "required." (Ibid.)

https://oag.ca.gov/ab1887

.

I DO think this is an overlooked issue, as it highlights the vast cultural divide between the PAC and many of the Central Time Zone schools. But I think either the exceptions do apply, or USC & UCLA are expecting a legislative fix in the next few years. Currently both schools are scheduled to make roadtrips that would run afoul of this travel ban -

USC @ Ole Miss 9/19/2026
UCLA @ Auburn 9/2/2028

This law doesn't mean anything when it comes to college athletics. California schools are competing in these band states during nearly every athletic season.

(02-19-2022 11:29 AM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 10:21 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 06:07 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

It appears those who have voted in the poll that the PAC-12 is more likely to add MWC schools may be correct.

Academics may not be the issue.

Under the provisions of California State Law, California and UCLA teams could travel to compete in Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, Utah, or Wyoming, but not Iowa, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, or Idaho.

This would also make it difficult, for the PAC to add any schools in the Central time zone unless they're located in Louisiana, Nebraska, Minnesota, Missouri, Wisconsin, or Illinois.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

As much as the PAC-12 might want to add Big 12 schools at some point,
California and UCLA wouldn't be permitted to travel to TX, OK, KS, & IA unless the California Legislature would grant them an exemption permitting them to travel there for athletic competition (there's no reason to expect that such an exemption will be granted), or unless their States were to amend their laws eliminating the conflict with California Law.

The only other way the PAC could get around this limitation would be to have California and UCLA play in a division with no Big 12 schools and only play teams such as Oklahoma St. at home or on a neutral field a permitted State, such as Nebraska, Colorado, or NM - - as unlikely as that might be.

This might also prevent the PAC 12 from expanding into the Central Time Zone

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

PROHIBITION ON STATE-FUNDED AND STATE-SPONSORED TRAVEL TO STATES WITH DISCRIMINATORY LAWS (ASSEMBLY BILL NO. 1887)

The travel prohibition applies to the University of California, the Board of Regents of the University of California, and the California State University. (Gov. Code, § 11139.8, subd. (b).)

The law also requires the Attorney General to develop, maintain, and post on his Internet Web site a current list of states that are subject to the travel ban. (Gov. Code, § 11139.8, subd. (e).)

States Subject to AB 1887’s Travel Prohibition
The following states are currently subject to California’s ban on state-funded and state-sponsored travel:

Alabama
Arkansas
Florida
Idaho
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Mississippi
Montana
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
West Virginia

The Legislature created exceptions in AB 1887 that allow travel to banned states in certain circumstances. (Gov. Code, § 11139.8, subd. ©.) These exceptions only apply if travel to a subject state is "required." (Ibid.)

https://oag.ca.gov/ab1887

.

I DO think this is an overlooked issue, as it highlights the vast cultural divide between the PAC and many of the Central Time Zone schools. But I think either the exceptions do apply, or USC & UCLA are expecting a legislative fix in the next few years. Currently both schools are scheduled to make roadtrips that would run afoul of this travel ban -

USC @ Ole Miss 9/19/2026
UCLA @ Auburn 9/2/2028

This law doesn't mean anything when it comes to college athletics. California schools are competing in these band states during nearly every athletic season.

Yep, Cal just played @ TCU this past season, has a game @ UNT in 23 and also against Florida in I believe 26/27. UCLA just recently played @ Oklahoma & Cincinnati and has that Auburn game lined up.

All this law does is prevent state funds being used to travel to those states, any funding they get from donations or from the athletic department or any other source other than the state is fair game to use for travel.

If it was just about boosting ratings they would add OSU, TCU, TTU, and Houston. Suddenly a lot of eyes in Texas and the Midwest would be looking to late night PAC games. But the PAC is on the path to its own destruction. So they add no one and eventually lose their 4-6 best schools imo.