(02-15-2022 08:42 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 08:34 PM)Twon Wrote:  Wants or Feelings have nothing to do with this matter. It is the rule of law and somehow that escapes some of these posters. Living in a misinformed Sunbelt bubble distorts one’s view of reality. We are nation of laws, you breach or break a law you pay the consequences.

And Consequence in this matter is either CUSA can choice to make the SB3 stay or CUSA can choice to make them pay a fee they consider equitable.

The word you want is "choose".

(02-14-2022 11:24 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 10:59 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 09:33 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 09:30 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  Slow joe is the ultimate twot. Just let joe be joe. Let him continue his envy of SMU and their dominance of the Dallas market.

Neither one dominate the dallas market.

And you don’t dominate a market of 30,000

Been away from the old cusa schools long enough i forgot what its like for moderators to be deuce bags

Say it again and louder this time!

(02-15-2022 12:18 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 11:01 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 10:14 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 09:20 PM)rileylives Wrote:  I still want Joe's take, we are earned that considering he started this thread.

Alright... I guess I'll have to reply to this tonight, before monarch pride succeeds in getting this thread condemned to the smack board. As I stated yesterday, if some can't handle the personal attacks, I'd prefer the mods just split this thread and move the offending posts to the smack board.

rileylives, I wasn't trying to ignore your post. Just busy with other life events. So here is my answer.... If the AAC offered UNT their spot in 2022, I'd support our administration pursuing it (regardless of the exit fee). I don't know what the right course of action would be, but yeah, I'd be okay with it.

I'm going to go back to enjoying my Valentine's evening with my wife now. I'll be back tomorrow.

Cool. Yeah, we've been unnecessarily.dragged.through the mud here.

And folks, Joe is a good poster, he's one that does a good job creating conversation.

However, I think some perspective on WHY ODU, Marshall and Southern Miss did what we did is important.

I have zero issue of *why* you did it. It is actually rational.

But, had it been Rice in those shoes, I dont think i would bellyache to the extent that the sb3 does with the same result. The contract is crystal clear in that regard.

Acting like 'it is all the fault of the CUSA' is the irrational response. The sb3 is acting in a rational manner to try and leave. CUSA responded itself in a manner that is clearly rational to the 5 survivors of the CUSA.

It is the second portion that the SB3 seems unwilling to accept.

To be fair, it would be the first time we've ever seen that from the C-USA offices.

(02-15-2022 08:42 AM)rileylives Wrote:  I will always respect the schools we competed with in the conference, I think most of the Southern Miss and ODU fans probably feel the same. Our beef is not with you.

So that's what's so disarming about this thread, it's seemingly pages of distain towards those who are leaving, as if none of your programs would do the same if in our shoes.

I think by and large most fans are respectful; it's just the one or two that come here to antagonize, for example, like using the term "C-DOA," that causes threads to derail and result in some feelings of disdain.

(02-14-2022 10:42 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt sums this up

Cusa- speed limit is 70

Future #P6 teams drive 69 in new Teslas and Rivians, no big deal

lowly sbc crowd drives 95 in Pontiac sunfires and 1999 Chevy Silverados with a CV leak.

one group gets pulled over and complains about having to pay the fine

And it's a BEAST in the snow or mud. 23 years old and it will still outlast those plastic Testiclas and Riversians

(02-15-2022 09:00 AM)tyler90wm Wrote:  

(02-15-2022 08:42 AM)rileylives Wrote:  I will always respect the schools we competed with in the conference, I think most of the Southern Miss and ODU fans probably feel the same. Our beef is not with you.

So that's what's so disarming about this thread, it's seemingly pages of distain towards those who are leaving, as if none of your programs would do the same if in our shoes.

I think by and large most fans are respectful; it's just the one or two that come here to antagonize, for example, like using the term "C-DOA," that causes threads to derail and result in some feelings of disdain.

I think the same can be said, and I think these folks have been removed, that call the SBC the "Slum Belt" or "Sun Belch". It's ok but not every post.

It's all a cause and effect thing.

(02-15-2022 08:42 AM)rileylives Wrote:  I will always respect the schools we competed with in the conference, I think most of the Southern Miss and ODU fans probably feel the same. Our beef is not with you.

So that's what's so disarming about this thread, it's seemingly pages of distain towards those who are leaving, as if none of your programs would do the same if in our shoes.

I understand it's just business but I personally will never congratulate any of the members leaving. I wouldn't expect to be congratulated from the schools that were left to die either. Excuse us if there's any disdain from the remaining five schools on our board.

(02-15-2022 09:02 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I think the same can be said, and I think these folks have been removed, that call the SBC the "Slum Belt" or "Sun Belch". It's ok but not every post.

It's all a cause and effect thing.

I get that and I never really understood the whole derogatory nickname thing from either side to be honest. Also, to be fair, the title of this thread alone is a little antagonistic.

(02-15-2022 09:15 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(02-15-2022 08:42 AM)rileylives Wrote:  I will always respect the schools we competed with in the conference, I think most of the Southern Miss and ODU fans probably feel the same. Our beef is not with you.

So that's what's so disarming about this thread, it's seemingly pages of distain towards those who are leaving, as if none of your programs would do the same if in our shoes.

I understand it's just business but I personally will never congratulate any of the members leaving. I wouldn't expect to be congratulated from the schools that were left to die either. Excuse us if there's any disdain from the remaining five schools on our board.

I get it.

We've been there.

Hopefully in the near future UTEP is in this position.

(02-15-2022 09:20 AM)tyler90wm Wrote:  

(02-15-2022 09:02 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I think the same can be said, and I think these folks have been removed, that call the SBC the "Slum Belt" or "Sun Belch". It's ok but not every post.

It's all a cause and effect thing.

I get that and I never really understood the whole derogatory nickname thing from either side to be honest. Also, to be fair, the title of this thread alone is a little antagonistic.

Yea.. Same guy started the thread bout MT playing JMU.

Wasn't any skin off his nose on that one either.

(02-12-2022 06:55 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  Judy may not have been as dumb as everybody thinks. She said just enough. To say hey we made a statement. “We expect all members to fulfill their contracts” it’s really all she had to say. In the end the courts will say you can leave but at a cost.

What cost? Two years distribution is the only cost for leaving. There is no financial penalty for departing before 14 months is up. It's really that simple.

C-USA doesn't have a leg to stand on. If they did, Marshall, ODU, and USM would stay another year.

(02-15-2022 09:41 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:55 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  Judy may not have been as dumb as everybody thinks. She said just enough. To say hey we made a statement. “We expect all members to fulfill their contracts” it’s really all she had to say. In the end the courts will say you can leave but at a cost.

What cost? Two years distribution is the only cost for leaving. There is no financial penalty for departing before 14 months is up. It's really that simple.

C-USA doesn't have a leg to stand on. If they did, Marshall, ODU, and USM would stay another year.

It's not that simple. It's two years' distributions. We can't claim distributions for a year we aren't in the conference and we were paid for last year. We'll have to pay cash out for the amount equal to that payout, likely.

(02-15-2022 09:49 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(02-15-2022 09:41 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:55 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  Judy may not have been as dumb as everybody thinks. She said just enough. To say hey we made a statement. “We expect all members to fulfill their contracts” it’s really all she had to say. In the end the courts will say you can leave but at a cost.

What cost? Two years distribution is the only cost for leaving. There is no financial penalty for departing before 14 months is up. It's really that simple.

C-USA doesn't have a leg to stand on. If they did, Marshall, ODU, and USM would stay another year.

It's not that simple. It's two years' distributions. We can't claim distributions for a year we aren't in the conference and we were paid for last year. We'll have to pay cash out for the amount equal to that payout, likely.

I feel like CUSA has retained the or is retaining the distribution for 21-22. So we're looking at $1.5 we'd have to pony up. I get confused on all this distribution stuff.

(02-15-2022 08:42 AM)rileylives Wrote:  I will always respect the schools we competed with in the conference, I think most of the Southern Miss and ODU fans probably feel the same. Our beef is not with you.

So that's what's so disarming about this thread, it's seemingly pages of distain towards those who are leaving, as if none of your programs would do the same if in our shoes.

we do ... divorce is never easy... (mine was no-fault) ...

(02-15-2022 09:20 AM)tyler90wm Wrote:  

(02-15-2022 09:02 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I think the same can be said, and I think these folks have been removed, that call the SBC the "Slum Belt" or "Sun Belch". It's ok but not every post.

It's all a cause and effect thing.

I get that and I never really understood the whole derogatory nickname thing from either side to be honest. Also, to be fair, the title of this thread alone is a little antagonistic.

Great post.

(02-15-2022 10:00 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-15-2022 08:42 AM)rileylives Wrote:  I will always respect the schools we competed with in the conference, I think most of the Southern Miss and ODU fans probably feel the same. Our beef is not with you.

So that's what's so disarming about this thread, it's seemingly pages of distain towards those who are leaving, as if none of your programs would do the same if in our shoes.

we do ... divorce is never easy... (mine was no-fault) ...

Lol

(02-15-2022 09:41 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:55 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  Judy may not have been as dumb as everybody thinks. She said just enough. To say hey we made a statement. “We expect all members to fulfill their contracts” it’s really all she had to say. In the end the courts will say you can leave but at a cost.

What cost? Two years distribution is the only cost for leaving. There is no financial penalty for departing before 14 months is up. It's really that simple.

C-USA doesn't have a leg to stand on. If they did, Marshall, ODU, and USM would stay another year.

The penalty = two years of distribution. If Marshall, ODU, and USM leave early they will have to come out of pocket for whatever part of that exit fee is still outstanding.

The bylaws don't have a financial penalty, but explicitly state that if a team does not get a 75% vote to leave prior to the 14 months and injunction will be filed. If the teams leave early, even through arbitration there will be no "hardship" to justify their breach of the contract. This is why USM will host the baseball tournament, and why the conference has not penalized the institutions leaving. There will be a significant penalty on top of the ~1.6MM due as the remainder of the exit if the schools leave early. The belief that they can just leave and forego distributions and pay a couple hundred grand is severely incorrect.

Public pressure is the only reason the three went public, their hope is that talking heads will paint CUSA as evil and them as being held to an unfair standard in hopes of the penalty being as low as possible for breach of contract. That is their only hope for a sub 3MM total bill due on 30 June. They do not want this to go to arbitration or discovery because they have no hardship outside of saying "ESPN will pay us X if we move now" which kills their argument they are acting in good faith throughout the transition. Discovery would also allow for communication between these schools, SBC, and ESPN to come to light which could be a whole nother can of worms (I'm sure another conference office in the DFW area would be more than happy for this to come out).

The SBC posters and SBC3 will be on one side, the other 11 and CUSA4.0 members will be on another. In the end I wish everyone the best and hopefully it becomes a discussion of facts not feelings.

(02-15-2022 08:40 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(02-15-2022 08:38 AM)Dusky Wrote:  

(02-15-2022 08:30 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(02-15-2022 12:00 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 08:55 PM)rileylives Wrote:  ROLL CALL

I want every single AAC incoming member who posted on this thread upset at Marshall, ODU, Southern Miss to answer one question.

What would you want your school to do if the same applied to you?

Keep in mind, the Sun Belt WAIVED our entry fees to join in 2022. Apparently the AAC entry fee is 10 million. So the AAC is willing to waive that for you to enter in 2022.

What would you want your school to do? I will keep posting this until I hear HONEST answers.

You gonna do this the other way now?

If the SB didn't have an opening, but the AAC did, and y'all were looking at those teams bailing early you reckon it'd be a lot of pats on the head and best wishes? Or would you take the conference bylaw view of "the rules are the rules, we'll see you in court" or "not negotiating is a type of negotiating" or whatever it is you're mad about here?

I won't keep posting it over and over because that's pretty obnoxious, but the answers you got just show what's been clear all along. Sometimes our fandom goals don't align and when they don't it's not hard to guess what our feelings as fans are going to be. It's why I don't understand UTEP fans saying "I hope it works out because of all the distractions." The distraction of this, such as it is, isn't a real thing. It doesn't affect anything I care about. SB3 teams want out because they think that's best for them. The other 11 teams don't see it that way.

So we'll all argue mostly from those positions and the courts will decide what really happens (most likely by settling on a number, a number that will hopefully be higher then it otherwise might have been).

I get that except for I don't understand CUSA position to not engage in any negotiation with the SB3.

CUSA doesn't give up any of its rights by negotiating, and given the seemingly ambiguous nature of the bylaws of the conference and the uncertainty of the interpretation from one person to the other, it doesn't make sense.

They lose nothing by negotiating, but they potentially weaken their position by ignoring.

They said they weren’t going to do it publicly, no one on this board has internal connections with CUSA. For all we know the 3 made an offer, CUSA said it’s not even close and it’s been a stalemate since.

What I gather, once the departing schools made it known to comfort USA that they were leaving in December, and then in subsequent notes to communicate, they were brushed aside. There was not a single response back from the Conference USA side at any moment, which actually hurts the remaining schools more than anything.

You say from what you gather. Gather from where, this board? The Herd board? Many people are posting things as facts when they are just opinions and speculation. If someone could show me factually what CUSDA has done or not done that would be much different but I don't believe anyone that truly knows anything is posting anything on a message board.

(02-15-2022 10:41 AM)Dusky Wrote:  

(02-15-2022 08:40 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(02-15-2022 08:38 AM)Dusky Wrote:  

(02-15-2022 08:30 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(02-15-2022 12:00 AM)inutech Wrote:  You gonna do this the other way now?

If the SB didn't have an opening, but the AAC did, and y'all were looking at those teams bailing early you reckon it'd be a lot of pats on the head and best wishes? Or would you take the conference bylaw view of "the rules are the rules, we'll see you in court" or "not negotiating is a type of negotiating" or whatever it is you're mad about here?

I won't keep posting it over and over because that's pretty obnoxious, but the answers you got just show what's been clear all along. Sometimes our fandom goals don't align and when they don't it's not hard to guess what our feelings as fans are going to be. It's why I don't understand UTEP fans saying "I hope it works out because of all the distractions." The distraction of this, such as it is, isn't a real thing. It doesn't affect anything I care about. SB3 teams want out because they think that's best for them. The other 11 teams don't see it that way.

So we'll all argue mostly from those positions and the courts will decide what really happens (most likely by settling on a number, a number that will hopefully be higher then it otherwise might have been).

I get that except for I don't understand CUSA position to not engage in any negotiation with the SB3.

CUSA doesn't give up any of its rights by negotiating, and given the seemingly ambiguous nature of the bylaws of the conference and the uncertainty of the interpretation from one person to the other, it doesn't make sense.

They lose nothing by negotiating, but they potentially weaken their position by ignoring.

They said they weren’t going to do it publicly, no one on this board has internal connections with CUSA. For all we know the 3 made an offer, CUSA said it’s not even close and it’s been a stalemate since.

What I gather, once the departing schools made it known to comfort USA that they were leaving in December, and then in subsequent notes to communicate, they were brushed aside. There was not a single response back from the Conference USA side at any moment, which actually hurts the remaining schools more than anything.

You say from what you gather. Gather from where, this board? The Herd board? Many people are posting things as facts when they are just opinions and speculation. If someone could show me factually what CUSDA has done or not done that would be much different but I don't believe anyone that truly knows anything is posting anything on a message board.

The Marshall University Twitter announcement literally said we reached out to Conference USA multiple times with no response.

I don't know what could be more official than that.

(02-15-2022 10:41 AM)Dusky Wrote:  

(02-15-2022 08:40 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(02-15-2022 08:38 AM)Dusky Wrote:  

(02-15-2022 08:30 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(02-15-2022 12:00 AM)inutech Wrote:  You gonna do this the other way now?

If the SB didn't have an opening, but the AAC did, and y'all were looking at those teams bailing early you reckon it'd be a lot of pats on the head and best wishes? Or would you take the conference bylaw view of "the rules are the rules, we'll see you in court" or "not negotiating is a type of negotiating" or whatever it is you're mad about here?

I won't keep posting it over and over because that's pretty obnoxious, but the answers you got just show what's been clear all along. Sometimes our fandom goals don't align and when they don't it's not hard to guess what our feelings as fans are going to be. It's why I don't understand UTEP fans saying "I hope it works out because of all the distractions." The distraction of this, such as it is, isn't a real thing. It doesn't affect anything I care about. SB3 teams want out because they think that's best for them. The other 11 teams don't see it that way.

So we'll all argue mostly from those positions and the courts will decide what really happens (most likely by settling on a number, a number that will hopefully be higher then it otherwise might have been).

I get that except for I don't understand CUSA position to not engage in any negotiation with the SB3.

CUSA doesn't give up any of its rights by negotiating, and given the seemingly ambiguous nature of the bylaws of the conference and the uncertainty of the interpretation from one person to the other, it doesn't make sense.

They lose nothing by negotiating, but they potentially weaken their position by ignoring.

They said they weren’t going to do it publicly, no one on this board has internal connections with CUSA. For all we know the 3 made an offer, CUSA said it’s not even close and it’s been a stalemate since.

What I gather, once the departing schools made it known to comfort USA that they were leaving in December, and then in subsequent notes to communicate, they were brushed aside. There was not a single response back from the Conference USA side at any moment, which actually hurts the remaining schools more than anything.

You say from what you gather. Gather from where, this board? The Herd board? Many people are posting things as facts when they are just opinions and speculation. If someone could show me factually what CUSDA has done or not done that would be much different but I don't believe anyone that truly knows anything is posting anything on a message board.

https://southernmiss.com/news/2022/2/11/...nment.aspx

The University first advised Conference USA in early December 2021 of the University's plans to terminate its membership in June 2022. Since then, the University has clearly and consistently repeated its intentions to the conference. The University has from the outset expressed its desire to work with Conference USA to achieve an amicable separation, including offering to cooperate to ensure that all remaining conference members had complete competitive schedules for those sports in which the University competes. Conference USA has so far refused to discuss any such arrangement with the University.

The Conference's unwillingness to discuss the concept of separation this year creates confusion and doubt for all concerned. The remaining members of Conference USA deserve certainty about their schedules as they plan for competition next year. For their sake, the University makes public its intent.

If it's not documented, it never happened.

It's documented.