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This isn't smack, so I hope it doesn't get forced over to the smack board.

It's not that I care that they are leaving. I know I won't miss them. None of those three move the needle for Texas programs. I just don't like their timing. By hitting the door early, they are leaving all of their current conference-mates in the lurch, by creating scheduling issues across all C-USA sports, and placing additional strain on C-USA as it is trying to right the ship.

Remember how ODU abandoned their football season back in 2020? Now multiple that by 3 and expand that out across all the sports in C-USA. If C-USA has to play with 11 programs, we may end up playing football (and other sports) without divisions for the 2022 season.
If UNT could head over to the AAC next season would you feel the same?
I think it more comes down to contracts. If you sign one it has to mean something. It could set a bad Precedent for all contracts. But I understand they that are excited to go but it is walking out on your obligations
I don't care that they are leaving. The announcement posts are a little much especially for future cusa members. They should put them on the sun belt board if they don't watch any pushback. I'll only miss Marshall

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(02-12-2022 05:57 PM)gdunn Wrote: [ -> ]If UNT could head over to the AAC next season would you feel the same?

Ha! I actually made a joke about doing that over on the AAC board.

The ability to play a season in the AAC against Houston, Cincinnati, & UCF is a different situation from you three joining a SB that isn't losing anyone. But even so, I wouldn't want to bring further pain to our C-USA, so I'm going to try and enjoy what time we have left. I always liked C-USA West.
I would be shocked if this didn’t come at a cost. CUSA will win the lawsuit. But it will be a monetary win. No one will force the SunBelt three to stay.
(02-12-2022 06:11 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 05:57 PM)gdunn Wrote: [ -> ]If UNT could head over to the AAC next season would you feel the same?

Ha! I actually made a joke about doing that over on the AAC board.

The ability to play a season in the AAC against Houston, Cincinnati, & UCF is a different situation from you three joining a SB that isn't losing anyone. But even so, I wouldn't want to bring further pain to our C-USA, so I'm going to try and enjoy what time we have left. I always liked C-USA West.
Most of us feel the same. The 3 going to the sun belt were the biggest whiners on here for years. Rest of us wanted to leave when it was obvious the cusa was collapsing. So of course at that point all wanted the AAC at first and then the sun belt if they didn't get an invite

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(02-12-2022 06:11 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 05:57 PM)gdunn Wrote: [ -> ]If UNT could head over to the AAC next season would you feel the same?

Ha! I actually made a joke about doing that over on the AAC board.

The ability to play a season in the AAC against Houston, Cincinnati, & UCF is a different situation from you three joining a SB that isn't losing anyone. But even so, I wouldn't want to bring further pain to our C-USA, so I'm going to try and enjoy what time we have left. I always liked C-USA West.

No it’s not. You say that but it’s not. If the AAC said hey we have room if you can come you know full well you’d be hooping and hollering to go.
(02-12-2022 06:16 PM)theATLDawg Wrote: [ -> ]I would be shocked if this didn’t come at a cost. CUSA will win the lawsuit. But it will be a monetary win. No one will force the SunBelt three to stay.

I totally agree. But, the monetary cost could be much higher those three anticipate. This case could spend years in the Texas court system. Lets face it. Those three won't be making that much more in the Sun Belt.
(02-12-2022 05:47 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]This isn't smack, so I hope it doesn't get forced over to the smack board.

It's not that I care that they are leaving. I know I won't miss them. None of those three move the needle for Texas programs. I just don't like their timing. By hitting the door early, they are leaving all of their current conference-mates in the lurch, by creating scheduling issues across all C-USA sports, and placing additional strain on C-USA as it is trying to right the ship.

Remember how ODU abandoned their football season back in 2020? Now multiple that by 3 and expand that out across all the sports in C-USA. If C-USA has to play with 11 programs, we may end up playing football (and other sports) without divisions for the 2022 season.

You're a good man Joe and you're 100% correct. Hopefully Tech will be sharing a conference with UNT in the near future.
Y’all remember when UAB shut their football program down? We managed.
(02-12-2022 06:09 PM)Ragu Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care that they are leaving. The announcement posts are a little much especially for future cusa members. They should put them on the sun belt board if they don't watch any pushback. I'll only miss Marshall

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We liked FAU too. Will miss playing y'all and Western.
(02-12-2022 06:17 PM)gdunn Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 06:11 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 05:57 PM)gdunn Wrote: [ -> ]If UNT could head over to the AAC next season would you feel the same?

Ha! I actually made a joke about doing that over on the AAC board.

The ability to play a season in the AAC against Houston, Cincinnati, & UCF is a different situation from you three joining a SB that isn't losing anyone. But even so, I wouldn't want to bring further pain to our C-USA, so I'm going to try and enjoy what time we have left. I always liked C-USA West.

No it’s not. You say that but it’s not. If the AAC said hey we have room if you can come you know full well you’d be hooping and hollering to go.

The leadership at UNT probably would, if they could secure an exit. I think the problem is that none of the SB3 secured an exit.

Me personally? I'd stay for at least one more season in C-USA. Like I said, I like C-USA West.
(02-12-2022 06:25 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 06:16 PM)theATLDawg Wrote: [ -> ]I would be shocked if this didn’t come at a cost. CUSA will win the lawsuit. But it will be a monetary win. No one will force the SunBelt three to stay.

I totally agree. But, the monetary cost could be much higher those three anticipate. This case could spend years in the Texas court system. Lets face it. Those three won't be making that much more in the Sun Belt.

I actually don't think we will. CUSA has never collected buyouts for schools departing, and there is no written financial penalty for leaving before the 14 month mark.

Consider Marshall, ODU and Southern Miss tried and tried to communicate their intentions to the CUSA office with no response, the burden in my opinion lies with CUSA. Since they did not respond, we had to do what would be best for all involved.
(02-12-2022 06:31 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ]Y’all remember when UAB shut their football program down? We managed.

That is totally different. UAB was forced to shut down. They didn't choose to close the doors.
(02-12-2022 06:33 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 06:17 PM)gdunn Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 06:11 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 05:57 PM)gdunn Wrote: [ -> ]If UNT could head over to the AAC next season would you feel the same?

Ha! I actually made a joke about doing that over on the AAC board.

The ability to play a season in the AAC against Houston, Cincinnati, & UCF is a different situation from you three joining a SB that isn't losing anyone. But even so, I wouldn't want to bring further pain to our C-USA, so I'm going to try and enjoy what time we have left. I always liked C-USA West.

No it’s not. You say that but it’s not. If the AAC said hey we have room if you can come you know full well you’d be hooping and hollering to go.

The leadership at UNT probably would, if they could secure an exit. I think the problem is that none of the SB3 secured an exit.

Me personally? I'd stay for at least one more season in C-USA. Like I said, I like C-USA West.

Hard to secure an exit when you keep talking to a brick wall. The CUSA office decided to sit on their hands.
Also, unlike the AAC, consider that the Sun Belt waived it's entry fee. It would actually cost Marshall, ODU and Southern Miss millions to stay, not to mention ANOTHER year on Facebook instead of ESPN.
(02-12-2022 06:29 PM)deb025 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 05:47 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]This isn't smack, so I hope it doesn't get forced over to the smack board.

It's not that I care that they are leaving. I know I won't miss them. None of those three move the needle for Texas programs. I just don't like their timing. By hitting the door early, they are leaving all of their current conference-mates in the lurch, by creating scheduling issues across all C-USA sports, and placing additional strain on C-USA as it is trying to right the ship.

Remember how ODU abandoned their football season back in 2020? Now multiple that by 3 and expand that out across all the sports in C-USA. If C-USA has to play with 11 programs, we may end up playing football (and other sports) without divisions for the 2022 season.

You're a good man Joe and you're 100% correct. Hopefully Tech will be sharing a conference with UNT in the near future.

Thanks. And for the record, I think you'd make a good mod. 04-cheers
(02-12-2022 06:35 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 06:31 PM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ]Y’all remember when UAB shut their football program down? We managed.

That is totally different. UAB was forced to shut down. They didn't choose to close the doors.

Forced by their leadership? That’s not a thing. I don’t have a problem with how it was handled by the conference but is your point that we’re a bunch of jerk faces for leaving early or that it actually inconveniences the conference in a meaningful way?
(02-12-2022 06:35 PM)rileylives Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 06:25 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 06:16 PM)theATLDawg Wrote: [ -> ]I would be shocked if this didn’t come at a cost. CUSA will win the lawsuit. But it will be a monetary win. No one will force the SunBelt three to stay.

I totally agree. But, the monetary cost could be much higher those three anticipate. This case could spend years in the Texas court system. Lets face it. Those three won't be making that much more in the Sun Belt.

I actually don't think we will. CUSA has never collected buyouts for schools departing, and there is no written financial penalty for leaving before the 14 month mark.

Consider Marshall, ODU and Southern Miss tried and tried to communicate their intentions to the CUSA office with no response, the burden in my opinion lies with CUSA. Since they did not respond, we had to do what would be best for all involved.

Has C-USA ever had a collection of programs bolt before the 14 month period was over?

What you three are doing isn't what is best for the 11 C-USA programs that will play in 2022.

Regardless of how it plays out in the courts, it will still be playing out in the courts. Lawyers aren't cheap, and cases take years to work their way through the legal system. That is money Marshall, Southern Miss, & ODU won't be spending on athletics.

If Judy wouldn't respond to y'alls inquiries, it's because C-USA's lawyers told her to ignore you.
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