40-year-old Asian woman killed in subway shove at Times Square

(01-16-2022 10:07 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  40-year-old Asian woman killed in subway shove at Times Square

One thing is for sure. It can't be considered a hate crime for three reasons.

#1. The suspect was homeless, and homeless people can't be held accountable for crimes since society is to blame for their station in life.

#2. The incident occurred in New York City--one of the most liberal cities in America.

#3. The suspect is black.

I’m just a small town guy. Can someone explain why so many blacks hate Asians and the other way around? Is it just the whole success/work ethic thing, cultural closeness?

(01-17-2022 12:59 AM)banker Wrote:  I’m just a small town guy. Can someone explain why so many blacks hate Asians and the other way around? Is it just the whole success/work ethic thing, cultural closeness?

I don’t know what the true explanation is, although it’s definitely something I’ve noticed over the years.

It’s a topic that the MSM (with just a few, fleeting exceptions over the last 30 years) simply will not approach within a hundred-mile radius. So, finding any solid reporting or commentary on this is a challenge.

(01-17-2022 12:59 AM)banker Wrote:  I’m just a small town guy. Can someone explain why so many blacks hate Asians and the other way around? Is it just the whole success/work ethic thing, cultural closeness?

Just my opinion but I worked for a Japanese company for a few years and lived with Korean families near me when I was in high school. Most of the Asians I know think Americans in general don’t appreciate what we have here.

When I would go to dinner with new Japanese engineers, as they rotated through our facility, the first thing they would talk about was all the space we have. Then the next comment would be how big everything is. Big houses big cars big trucks everything is so big.

The Asians that immigrant to America appreciate the opportunity. Some of my engineers didn’t want to go home so our company only started sending married employees thinking they would want to come back and see their children.

Can’t really explain African Americans attitudes toward Asians. I don’t believe it’s all blacks either. Cases are just high profile because of MSM hype. I’m sure there are more cases of black on white violence or even white on black just in sheer numbers.

I will say if Americans had half the work ethic of the Japanese our Nation would be a much better place to live. Laziness is simply not tolerated in Japan like it is here.

Well, when you don't keep criminals behind bars... this is what happens.

(01-17-2022 07:23 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 12:59 AM)banker Wrote:  I’m just a small town guy. Can someone explain why so many blacks hate Asians and the other way around? Is it just the whole success/work ethic thing, cultural closeness?

Just my opinion but I worked for a Japanese company for a few years and lived with Korean families near me when I was in high school. Most of the Asians I know think Americans in general don’t appreciate what we have here.

When I would go to dinner with new Japanese engineers, as they rotated through our facility, the first thing they would talk about was all the space we have. Then the next comment would be how big everything is. Big houses big cars big trucks everything is so big.

The Asians that immigrant to America appreciate the opportunity. Some of my engineers didn’t want to go home so our company only started sending married employees thinking they would want to come back and see their children.

Can’t really explain African Americans attitudes toward Asians. I don’t believe it’s all blacks either. Cases are just high profile because of MSM hype. I’m sure there are more cases of black on white violence or even white on black just in sheer numbers.

I will say if Americans had half the work ethic of the Japanese our Nation would be a much better place to live. Laziness is simply not tolerated in Japan like it is here.

Absolutely not. I remember when Toshiba built a plant in Lebanon TN their engineers would stay all day and all night of you let them. The only place they preferred over work were the strip clubs.

I had a friend who went to work for them as a sales engineer. One of his primary responsibilities was entertaining visiting dignitaries. He loved bringing them to Memphis as he rated Platinum Plus the greatest strip club in the country.

As to what may be behind incidents like this, if anyone has younger brothers we've all seen the crap handed down by us as older brothers get shoved all the way down to the most often innocent baby brother. The middle brother almost invariably takes his frustrations out on the baby, perhaps there's a bit of that dynamic at play.

(01-17-2022 07:39 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 07:23 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 12:59 AM)banker Wrote:  I’m just a small town guy. Can someone explain why so many blacks hate Asians and the other way around? Is it just the whole success/work ethic thing, cultural closeness?

Just my opinion but I worked for a Japanese company for a few years and lived with Korean families near me when I was in high school. Most of the Asians I know think Americans in general don’t appreciate what we have here.

When I would go to dinner with new Japanese engineers, as they rotated through our facility, the first thing they would talk about was all the space we have. Then the next comment would be how big everything is. Big houses big cars big trucks everything is so big.

The Asians that immigrant to America appreciate the opportunity. Some of my engineers didn’t want to go home so our company only started sending married employees thinking they would want to come back and see their children.

Can’t really explain African Americans attitudes toward Asians. I don’t believe it’s all blacks either. Cases are just high profile because of MSM hype. I’m sure there are more cases of black on white violence or even white on black just in sheer numbers.

I will say if Americans had half the work ethic of the Japanese our Nation would be a much better place to live. Laziness is simply not tolerated in Japan like it is here.

Absolutely not. I remember when Toshiba built a plant in Lebanon TN their engineers would stay all day and all night of you let them. The only place they preferred over work were the strip clubs.

I had a friend who went to work for them as a sales engineer. One of his primary responsibilities was entertaining visiting dignitaries. He loved bringing them to Memphis as he rated Platinum Plus the greatest strip club in the country.

Platinum Plus... lol...

Didn't that used to be a restaurant called The Loft? And there used to be a Swensen's ice cream place over there. Don't know if it was the same location or not.

(01-17-2022 07:23 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 12:59 AM)banker Wrote:  I’m just a small town guy. Can someone explain why so many blacks hate Asians and the other way around? Is it just the whole success/work ethic thing, cultural closeness?

Just my opinion but I worked for a Japanese company for a few years and lived with Korean families near me when I was in high school. Most of the Asians I know think Americans in general don’t appreciate what we have here.

When I would go to dinner with new Japanese engineers, as they rotated through our facility, the first thing they would talk about was all the space we have. Then the next comment would be how big everything is. Big houses big cars big trucks everything is so big.

The Asians that immigrant to America appreciate the opportunity. Some of my engineers didn’t want to go home so our company only started sending married employees thinking they would want to come back and see their children.

Can’t really explain African Americans attitudes toward Asians. I don’t believe it’s all blacks either. Cases are just high profile because of MSM hype. I’m sure there are more cases of black on white violence or even white on black just in sheer numbers.

I will say if Americans had half the work ethic of the Japanese our Nation would be a much better place to live. Laziness is simply not tolerated in Japan like it is here.

For the same reason there is similar tension between African-Americans and African immigrants from Somalia, Nigeria, Ghana, etc. One thing to keep in mind is than Asians and African Immigrants own a lot of the businesses in inner-city neighborhoods. They are hard working people, and are working retail, driving cabs, housekeeping, etc. This causes some resentment in the African-American community.

I lived in Columbus OH for about a dozen years. Columbus has the second largest Somali population in the country behind Minneapolis. There were constant issues between the Somalis and the African-Americans, several brawls in one particular part of town where the two communities coexisted.

(01-17-2022 09:52 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  For the same reason there is similar tension between African-Americans and African immigrants from Somalia, Nigeria, Ghana, etc. One thing to keep in mind is than Asians and African Immigrants own a lot of the businesses in inner-city neighborhoods. They are hard working people, and are working retail, driving cabs, housekeeping, etc. This causes some resentment in the African-American community.
I lived in Columbus OH for about a dozen years. Columbus has the second largest Somali population in the country behind Minneapolis. There were constant issues between the Somalis and the African-Americans, several brawls in one particular part of town where the two communities coexisted.

Before my son moved to Japan, we used to attend the USA leg of the World Rugby Sevens Tour every year. Each country's fans tend to sit in a group, and we ended up next to the Kenyans (mostly expats) and started cheering with them. They were a lot of fun, the USA team was terrible, and Kenya was pretty good (before Mike Friday left coaching Kenya to come to the USA). Anyway, we made friends with this one Kenyan expat who hated African-Americans. He kept saying, "They are so damn lazy. I grew up in a mud hut and now I own a software company. If I can do it, so can they."

(01-17-2022 10:02 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-17-2022 09:52 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  For the same reason there is similar tension between African-Americans and African immigrants from Somalia, Nigeria, Ghana, etc. One thing to keep in mind is than Asians and African Immigrants own a lot of the businesses in inner-city neighborhoods. They are hard working people, and are working retail, driving cabs, housekeeping, etc. This causes some resentment in the African-American community.
I lived in Columbus OH for about a dozen years. Columbus has the second largest Somali population in the country behind Minneapolis. There were constant issues between the Somalis and the African-Americans, several brawls in one particular part of town where the two communities coexisted.

Before my son moved to Japan, we used to attend the USA leg of the World Rugby Sevens Tour every year. Each country's fans tend to sit in a group, and we ended up next to the Kenyans (mostly expats) and started cheering with them. They were a lot of fun, the USA team was terrible, and Kenya was pretty good (before Mike Friday left coaching Kenya to come to the USA). Anyway, we made friends with this one Kenyan expat who hated African-Americans. He kept saying, "They are so damn lazy. I grew up in a mud hut and now I own a software company. If I can do it, so can they."

Some 20-25 years ago my wife and I were on our way to church and saw a young black man walking down the street in the snow. He was wearing a blue and white Tigers coat.

During church I noticed him not too far away from us.

As we left church we saw him walking the other direction. We pulled over and asked if we could give him a ride.

As it turns out he had just arrived from Kampala, Uganda as a student at the UofM. He didn't realize how cold it would be so he went to the bookstore and bought a jacket. His mother told him the first thing he must do is find a church to attend.

We struck up a friendship with him. We had him over for dinner. On the 4th of July we took him to a fireworks show -- the first time he had seen fireworks in his life.

He told us of his upbringing. His father was a banker who lived in a house. His father had multiple wives. They did not live with him. Instead, they lived in huts made of mud and animal dung.

Not only did he earn his degree, he went on to earn his Masters. He's now married with two children and has made a very comfortable life for his family.

I heard a stat yesterday watching a video... the black community in America is the world's 13th largest by GDP.

The attacks on Asian- Americans in the USA have risen in the past year or so. Most are physical beatings/attacks but there have been gruesome attacks (Oakland teen setting a Asian woman's hair on fire on a bus) as well as murders.