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Northam pardons politically connected pedophile
Wonder why he waited until his last day to do this?

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I’m sorry but there’s a big difference between 17 years old and 9 years old. Using the word pedophile in the title is just wrong. Is the age of consent in Virginia really 18?

Sure it’s sickening to think of a 48 year old man having a relationship with young lady a few months before she’s 18. The age of consent in every state surrounding Virginia is 16.

If it was my daughter I would not be happy about the age difference. I’m not naïve enough to think most young ladies have had sex before they turn 18. They are now married and have been for 6 years.

This is big nothing burger to me.

It is however rather ironic that Virginia, Oregon and California are among the few states where the age of consent is still 18. Another example of “rules for thee not for me” in a extremely liberal state.

The guy Matt Bevin pardoned should be taken out and shot. Shoot Bevin and it would be no great loss.
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(01-15-2022 10:04 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I’m sorry but there’s a big difference between 17 years old and 9 years old. Using the word pedophile in the title is just wrong. Is the age of consent in Virginia really 18?

Sure it’s sickening to think of a 48 year old man having a relationship with young lady a few months before she’s 18. The age of consent in every state surrounding Virginia is 16.

If it was my daughter I would not be happy about the age difference. I’m not naïve enough to think most young ladies have had sex before they turn 18. They are now married and have been for 6 years.

This is big nothing burger to me.

It is however rather ironic that Virginia, Oregon and California are among the few states where the age of consent is still 18. Another example of “rules for thee not for me” in a extremely liberal state.

The guy Matt Bevin pardoned should be taken out and shot. Shoot Bevin and it would be no great loss.

I first started dating my former wife when she was 14 and I was 18. I had no idea at first that she was so young as she could have easily passed for 18. When I found out it was too late to matter. I was hooked.

I had no respect or fondness for her mother but to her credit she never threatened me with legal action and didn't stand in our way when we married 3-4 years later and presented her with the first of two grandchildren.

Was I a pedophile? I guess in the strictest legal interpretation I may have been but there was never a thought that hey, I'm screwing a child.

The difference between my son in law and daughters ages is about the same. I didn't find out he was so much older than she until after they were married and had their first child. He was already deathly afraid of me and I suppose had I known I would have hypocritically objected and ran him off with a shotgun. However, here it is 22 years later and they are still married and have given me two fine grandsons.

There are lines which are blurred, not everything is straight up and in black and white. I can find little to fault this man for other than being a freakin commiecrat.
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(01-15-2022 11:04 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(01-15-2022 10:04 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I’m sorry but there’s a big difference between 17 years old and 9 years old. Using the word pedophile in the title is just wrong. Is the age of consent in Virginia really 18?

Sure it’s sickening to think of a 48 year old man having a relationship with young lady a few months before she’s 18. The age of consent in every state surrounding Virginia is 16.

If it was my daughter I would not be happy about the age difference. I’m not naïve enough to think most young ladies have had sex before they turn 18. They are now married and have been for 6 years.

This is big nothing burger to me.

It is however rather ironic that Virginia, Oregon and California are among the few states where the age of consent is still 18. Another example of “rules for thee not for me” in a extremely liberal state.

The guy Matt Bevin pardoned should be taken out and shot. Shoot Bevin and it would be no great loss.

I first started dating my former wife when she was 14 and I was 18. I had no idea at first that she was so young as she could have easily passed for 18. When I found out it was too late to matter. I was hooked.

I had no respect or fondness for her mother but to her credit she never threatened me with legal action and didn't stand in our way when we married 3-4 years later and presented her with the first of two grandchildren.

Was I a pedophile? I guess in the strictest legal interpretation I may have been but there was never a thought that hey, I'm screwing a child.

The difference between my son in law and daughters ages is about the same. I didn't find out he was so much older than she until after they were married and had their first child. He was already deathly afraid of me and I suppose had I known I would have hypocritically objected and ran him off with a shotgun. However, here it is 22 years later and they are still married and have given me two fine grandsons.

There are lines which are blurred, not everything is straight up and in black and white. I can find little to fault this man for other than being a freakin commiecrat.

Well said…

My girlfriend in high school was 17. I was 18. We both still lived at home. She would do what many teenage girls do and tell her Mom and Dad she was staying with a girlfriend and come spend the night at my house.

As things go, after one our weekend’s together, her little brother is listening on the extension as my girlfriend told her girlfriend, the one she was supposed to be staying with, what happened.

The next day I called my girlfriend after school and she was crying. Her little brother had told Mom and Dad what we had been doing.

I drove over to her house and she was sitting on the porch crying. I told her stay here, I’m going to talk to your Dad. I went into the living room and her Dad was sitting in his recliner.

He says “James I’m surprised to see you”. I said I need to talk to you. I don’t remember what I said to him because I was scared sh*tless. After I got done muttering whatever I said, her Dad said, “It takes a helluva man to walk in another man’s house and tell him what he’s been doing to his daughter” He then said “I respect that. He said you know she’s under age and we could raise a lot of hell about this but we’re not. Debbie will be 18 soon and she knows what she wants. Her Mom and I have talked and we’re going to forget this happened.”

We dated until she went away to school. We’re still friends to this day.

I didn’t realize what I had done going into that living room until years later and my oldest daughter started dating.

I realized then I wasn’t being brave I too stupid to know better.

Like you, I could have been labeled a pedophile. Thankfully her parents knew better.
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(01-15-2022 02:07 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(01-15-2022 11:04 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(01-15-2022 10:04 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I’m sorry but there’s a big difference between 17 years old and 9 years old. Using the word pedophile in the title is just wrong. Is the age of consent in Virginia really 18?

Sure it’s sickening to think of a 48 year old man having a relationship with young lady a few months before she’s 18. The age of consent in every state surrounding Virginia is 16.

If it was my daughter I would not be happy about the age difference. I’m not naïve enough to think most young ladies have had sex before they turn 18. They are now married and have been for 6 years.

This is big nothing burger to me.

It is however rather ironic that Virginia, Oregon and California are among the few states where the age of consent is still 18. Another example of “rules for thee not for me” in a extremely liberal state.

The guy Matt Bevin pardoned should be taken out and shot. Shoot Bevin and it would be no great loss.

I first started dating my former wife when she was 14 and I was 18. I had no idea at first that she was so young as she could have easily passed for 18. When I found out it was too late to matter. I was hooked.

I had no respect or fondness for her mother but to her credit she never threatened me with legal action and didn't stand in our way when we married 3-4 years later and presented her with the first of two grandchildren.

Was I a pedophile? I guess in the strictest legal interpretation I may have been but there was never a thought that hey, I'm screwing a child.

The difference between my son in law and daughters ages is about the same. I didn't find out he was so much older than she until after they were married and had their first child. He was already deathly afraid of me and I suppose had I known I would have hypocritically objected and ran him off with a shotgun. However, here it is 22 years later and they are still married and have given me two fine grandsons.

There are lines which are blurred, not everything is straight up and in black and white. I can find little to fault this man for other than being a freakin commiecrat.

Well said…

My girlfriend in high school was 17. I was 18. We both still lived at home. She would do what many teenage girls do and tell her Mom and Dad she was staying with a girlfriend and come spend the night at my house.

As things go, after one our weekend’s together, her little brother is listening on the extension as my girlfriend told her girlfriend, the one she was supposed to be staying with, what happened.

The next day I called my girlfriend after school and she was crying. Her little brother had told Mom and Dad what we had been doing.

I drove over to her house and she was sitting on the porch crying. I told her stay here, I’m going to talk to your Dad. I went into the living room and her Dad was sitting in his recliner.

He says “James I’m surprised to see you”. I said I need to talk to you. I don’t remember what I said to him because I was scared sh*tless. After I got done muttering whatever I said, her Dad said, “It takes a helluva man to walk in another man’s house and tell him what he’s been doing to his daughter” He then said “I respect that. He said you know she’s under age and we could raise a lot of hell about this but we’re not. Debbie will be 18 soon and she knows what she wants. Her Mom and I have talked and we’re going to forget this happened.”

We dated until she went away to school. We’re still friends to this day.

I didn’t realize what I had done going into that living room until years later and my oldest daughter started dating.

I realized then I wasn’t being brave I too stupid to know better.

Like you, I could have been labeled a pedophile. Thankfully her parents knew better.

I suspect there are numerous stories similar to ours. I had the same conversation with her mother when she tried once to stop us from seeing each other. Her father lived in Connecticut so I didn't have him to deal with but her mother was scary enough.
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(01-15-2022 04:35 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  I suspect there are numerous stories similar to ours. I had the same conversation with her mother when she tried once to stop us from seeing each other. Her father lived in Connecticut so I didn't have him to deal with but her mother was scary enough.

I believe you’re right. I used to joke with my son to get the young lady’s consent in writing.

There are too many young men who have been in the same situation you and I have that weren’t as lucky. Young men who have a rape charge on their record or have to register as a sex offender for doing what teenagers have been doing for generations.
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(01-15-2022 06:07 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(01-15-2022 04:35 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  I suspect there are numerous stories similar to ours. I had the same conversation with her mother when she tried once to stop us from seeing each other. Her father lived in Connecticut so I didn't have him to deal with but her mother was scary enough.

I believe you’re right. I used to joke with my son to get the young lady’s consent in writing.

There are too many young men who have been in the same situation you and I have that weren’t as lucky. Young men who have a rape charge on their record or have to register as a sex offender for doing what teenagers have been doing for generations.

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Well I think the question is if he felt so justified in dong this, why didn't he do it before he was slinking out the door?

Just like Clinton on his last day letting all his crooked friends out of jail.
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Its one thing to be near the same age where you are doing things together, such as going to class.

But not only was he decades older, he was also a state senator (position of power) and was also her boss. ( another position of power)
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(01-15-2022 09:26 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Well I think the question is if he felt so justified in dong this, why didn't he do it before he was slinking out the door?

Just like Clinton on his last day letting all his crooked friends out of jail.

I believe it’s a tradition in politics. It’s a way for politicians to reward political cronies.

This Pew Research Report lists how many pardons each President issued during or at the end of their admission.

Trump pardoned 237 people after Obama released 1927.

As a matter of fact Obama gave out more pardons than Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II and Trump combined. 04-jawdrop

I never knew that. Wonder why the media never reported that?

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20...yrecord_1/
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(01-16-2022 12:16 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Its one thing to be near the same age where you are doing things together, such as going to class.

But not only was he decades older, he was also a state senator (position of power) and was also her boss. ( another position of power)

The heart wants what the heart wants. Apparently their hearts were perfectly attuned. He never forced himself on her. The fact that they are still together, raising a family and happy nullifies ANY concern you, me, or anyone else may have.

These two statements are all anyone really needs to know:

"It should also be noted that when Myrna applied for a job with Mr. Morrissey, she misrepresented her age when she submitted her resume.”


"Myrna will be the first to acknowledge that she was not in any way manipulated by Joe and that she was in no way coerced by him. ... They worked together, they were attracted to each other, they fell in love, married, and are raising four (4) wonderful children together. A beautiful and happy family living the American Dream.”

It may be viewed by some as creepy but it's really none of their business.
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(01-16-2022 09:42 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  It may be viewed by some as creepy but it's really none of their business.

I tend to agree.

In Texas, the age of consent to have sex is 17. But the age of consent to be photographed having sex is 18. I tell my students, "If you go to a bar and get lucky, 17 is old enough to have sex, but if you're kinky and want to make a video of it, he/she had better be 18."
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LOL he was 57 when he started having sex with her. BTW I think the mom hooked them up and was instrumental is getting the relationship going.

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This entire mess aside, he’s also a complete dooshnozzle of the first order, this just ads and added to that. “Surprised” next to no one when this came to light.

I had some interaction with this guy more than 20 years ago at some event, just a first class POS.

Kinda figures this would be a guy Ralphie would pardon…
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This is on the front page of the Louisville newspaper. This guy is a real piece of work. He is mentioned earlier in the thread. Couldn’t get the link to work since I’m traveling this week.

Man tries to get his child sex charges expunged
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Two years after Gov. Matt Bevin pardoned Micah Schoettle on his conviction for raping and sodomizing a girl when she was 9 to 12 years old, Schoettle is trying to erase his criminal record.

But Kenton Commonwealth’s Attorney Rob Sanders is vehemently opposing Schoettle’s application for an expungement — and harshly denouncing Bevin for the pardon.

“This defendant was convicted by a jury of his peers who, unlike the

lame-duck governor who granted defendant’s pardon, heard the evidence and testimony of his guilt,” Sanders said in a written response to motion, which will be heard Tuesday morning in Kenton Circuit Court.

“No pardon will ever change the fact this defendant was proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt,” Sanders said. “This defendant served a small fraction of the 23-year sentence recommended by the jury and imposed by the court.”

Sander reserved his greatest scorn for Bevin, who freed Schoettle in 2019, one year after he was convicted, based on the testimony from the girl, who said the man raped her once a week for four years, including sometimes in the same room as her younger sister, whom she said also was sexually abused.

“If not for the defendant’s millionaire mother donating thousands of dollars to organizations supporting the governor’s re-election campaign, this defendant’s case would never have been considered for a pardon,” Sanders said.

“Likewise, had the governor not been so arrogant and insulting to the citizens of the commonwealth, including to people who had supported his initial election, he would have won reelection,” Sanders said.

In his pardon order, Bevin said Schoettle was convicted based on testimony that was not supported by any physical evidence and the case was “investigated and prosecuted in a sloppy manner.”

The Courier Journal reported after the pardon that Bevin did not talk to prosecutors, the teen who reported the abuse or her mother before granting the pardon.

Schoettle’s attorney, Dominick Romeo, noted in an expungement application filed last month that there was “zero physical evidence.”

Romeo also said Kenton Circuit Judge Patricia Summe allowed the prosecution to introduce “junk science” — expert testimony explaining why children sometimes delay reporting sex abuse.

He cited three cases in which the Kentucky Supreme Court has disallowed evidence of Child Sexual Abuse Accommodation Syndrome.

Bevin’s clemency order for Schoettle was one of 650 pardons and commutations he issued as he was leaving office after voters refused to give him a second term.

Responding to Schoettle’s application, Sander said testimony about the accommodation syndrome was proper because it wasn’t introduced to prove the sexual assault had occurred but instead to explain why children often delay reporting, Sanders noted Schoettle’s own expert agreed that delayed disclosure was accepted in the psychological community.

As for the lack of physical evidence, Sanders said that is common in a sexual assault. A physician who testified for the prosecution said about 50% of women she examined that were sexually active still had a hymen intact.

“Child molesting rarely happens in front of witnesses or leaves physical evidence,” Sanders said after the December 2019 pardon. “If we didn’t pursue those cases, 99% of child rapists would never be prosecuted.”

Schoettle’s counsel at trial contended the girl concocted her claims to get out of chores and because her cell phone had been taken away.

Romeo said in his motion the defense had been prohibited from presenting important testimony, including from the girl’s younger sister, who he said would have testified she was never abused by the man and he never abused her older sister while she was in the room.

But Sanders said Schoettle, 44, is a “danger to the community” and Summe should deny expungement of his record.

Sanders also said the pardon would never have been granted if Bevin had been re-elected.

“Instead, this unthinkable act became possible only because of the defendant’s mother’s wealth,” Sanders said, and the governor having “one foot out the door.”
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(01-18-2022 06:59 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  This is on the front page of the Louisville newspaper. This guy is a real piece of work. He is mentioned earlier in the thread. Couldn’t get the link to work since I’m traveling this week.

Man tries to get his child sex charges expunged
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Two years after Gov. Matt Bevin pardoned Micah Schoettle on his conviction for raping and sodomizing a girl when she was 9 to 12 years old, Schoettle is trying to erase his criminal record.

But Kenton Commonwealth’s Attorney Rob Sanders is vehemently opposing Schoettle’s application for an expungement — and harshly denouncing Bevin for the pardon.

“This defendant was convicted by a jury of his peers who, unlike the

lame-duck governor who granted defendant’s pardon, heard the evidence and testimony of his guilt,” Sanders said in a written response to motion, which will be heard Tuesday morning in Kenton Circuit Court.

“No pardon will ever change the fact this defendant was proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt,” Sanders said. “This defendant served a small fraction of the 23-year sentence recommended by the jury and imposed by the court.”

Sander reserved his greatest scorn for Bevin, who freed Schoettle in 2019, one year after he was convicted, based on the testimony from the girl, who said the man raped her once a week for four years, including sometimes in the same room as her younger sister, whom she said also was sexually abused.

“If not for the defendant’s millionaire mother donating thousands of dollars to organizations supporting the governor’s re-election campaign, this defendant’s case would never have been considered for a pardon,” Sanders said.

“Likewise, had the governor not been so arrogant and insulting to the citizens of the commonwealth, including to people who had supported his initial election, he would have won reelection,” Sanders said.

In his pardon order, Bevin said Schoettle was convicted based on testimony that was not supported by any physical evidence and the case was “investigated and prosecuted in a sloppy manner.”

The Courier Journal reported after the pardon that Bevin did not talk to prosecutors, the teen who reported the abuse or her mother before granting the pardon.

Schoettle’s attorney, Dominick Romeo, noted in an expungement application filed last month that there was “zero physical evidence.”

Romeo also said Kenton Circuit Judge Patricia Summe allowed the prosecution to introduce “junk science” — expert testimony explaining why children sometimes delay reporting sex abuse.

He cited three cases in which the Kentucky Supreme Court has disallowed evidence of Child Sexual Abuse Accommodation Syndrome.

Bevin’s clemency order for Schoettle was one of 650 pardons and commutations he issued as he was leaving office after voters refused to give him a second term.

Responding to Schoettle’s application, Sander said testimony about the accommodation syndrome was proper because it wasn’t introduced to prove the sexual assault had occurred but instead to explain why children often delay reporting, Sanders noted Schoettle’s own expert agreed that delayed disclosure was accepted in the psychological community.

As for the lack of physical evidence, Sanders said that is common in a sexual assault. A physician who testified for the prosecution said about 50% of women she examined that were sexually active still had a hymen intact.

“Child molesting rarely happens in front of witnesses or leaves physical evidence,” Sanders said after the December 2019 pardon. “If we didn’t pursue those cases, 99% of child rapists would never be prosecuted.”

Schoettle’s counsel at trial contended the girl concocted her claims to get out of chores and because her cell phone had been taken away.

Romeo said in his motion the defense had been prohibited from presenting important testimony, including from the girl’s younger sister, who he said would have testified she was never abused by the man and he never abused her older sister while she was in the room.

But Sanders said Schoettle, 44, is a “danger to the community” and Summe should deny expungement of his record.

Sanders also said the pardon would never have been granted if Bevin had been re-elected.

“Instead, this unthinkable act became possible only because of the defendant’s mother’s wealth,” Sanders said, and the governor having “one foot out the door.”

Now that dude deserves whatever ills come his way.
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