(01-07-2022 05:51 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I've said it before and I'll say it again.. if you like his ideas, then what's the problem?

Because he doesn't knuckle under and play nice?

Because he’s politically toxic. Not just to the extent of being an unpleasant person. That would be tolerable. But rather to the point of being arguably unelectable, other than when his opponent is a repulsive skank like Hillary.

(01-07-2022 06:27 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 05:51 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I've said it before and I'll say it again.. if you like his ideas, then what's the problem?

Because he doesn't knuckle under and play nice?

Because he’s politically toxic. Not just to the extent of being an unpleasant person. That would be tolerable. But rather to the point of being arguably unelectable, other than when his opponent is a repulsive skank like Hillary.

So. You are saying NONE of the 81million+ people that voted for Dementia Joe wish they would have voted for Trump a year later?

(01-07-2022 04:42 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 01:07 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 04:15 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  It makes you wonder if the guy really is going to run again in 24 or if he is just fuking with dems for fun?

I for one don't want him back in that seat. I agree with a lot of if not the vast majority of his ideas, but he is so polarizing that the chaos that comes with it is just not worth it. DeSantis is Trump-lite and while some degree of the Trump chaos would follow him, he seems more level headed and diplomatic to handle it.

Ive come to the conclusion that its not Trump that causes an unusual level of polarization---its that the media is now willing to create whatever level of polarization necessary to allow the left to win. In other words---any conservative thats not a useful idiot (McCain, Romney, etc) will be demonized as much as needed to turn pubic opinion. Truth wont matter to the media---and hasnt for some time.

You can run DeSantis---but the press will turn him into a racist Hitler trope because they want a left wing government. Hell---the media tried to paint the useful idiot Rhino Romney as a misogynist racist during his presidential run----it is what it is. I could care less about "polarization". If polarization is an issue---then its solved by the media ceasing with the one-dimensional good-vs-evil cartoon plot news narratives. Nobody goes to DC to destroy the county. They go there to make the nation the shining city on a hill that we all desire---they just have differing opinions on the best way to get where we all want to go.

I completely disagree with this. There are certain politicians who went to DC to do exactly that. Obama wanted America "fundamentally transformed" and not into something "that we all desire" to use your words.

I actually do think Obama believed he was "making America better". I dont agree with his vision or how he intended to "make America better"---but I dont think anyone really goes to DC with evil intent. lol---I may think their version of a "better America" is nuts---but I do think they believe their goal is to do good and make America better. I would agree in a lot of cases---what one might think makes America better could easily be the antithesis of what I believe would make America better. So, to an extent, I do think you make a valid point in that there has developed less and less agreement on what each of us might define as the "shining city on the hill"......and thats a real potential problem over the long term.

(01-07-2022 01:53 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  I agree with much of this, but disagree with your conclusion. You are correct that the media is an evil actor. You are correct that they will demonize and lie about whoever the Republicans select as their candidate. And you are correct that Romney and McCain played the role of "useful idiots".

But you are absolutely incorrect in assuming that there are not non-Trump Republicans capable of handling the media. Ron DeSantis appears to be a master at it. Any of Rand Paul, Tom Cotton, Tim Scott, Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley, Mike Pompeo and countless others have shown an ability to stand up to that kind of crap, call it out for what it is, and emerge looking even better from a political standpoint. All of them are far better than Donald Trump.

He, in my view, is the WORST option for dealing with a dishonest media. DJT caught the media by surprise in 2016. But they were very much onto him in 2020.

Not only does he unnecessarily create and feed the narrative that the media is looking to sell, but he is the incapable of anything other than ad hominem and non sequitur responses. He is not a smart man. He is - - beginning, middle and end - - little more that a semi-gifted entertainer. We, as a nation, need better in 2024. There are lots of other options to choose from.

History has shown that Senators are not good Presidential material. Different skillset and lack of executive experience. Haley is a definite NO.

You know where I stand. I care not about personality. Policies are what matter and Trump did better at that than any President I can remember. As for his bad appointments, he has learned from his mistakes and now knows what agencies need cleaning out, according to what he said in an interview with Glen Beck. Let him finish the job he started before having the election stolen. The time away has allowed him to survey the landscape, the state of the House and Senate and know who needs to be primaried with America first candidates he has endorsed. During that time he has seen those who have outed themselves as his opponents, even though they may be called Republicans.

(01-06-2022 11:28 PM)shere khan Wrote:  The prog filth disappear and the mealy mouths start chirping.

Good grief. The election was stolen. People are pissed. If it's Trump, its Trump. If not, anyone but a damn prog filth democrat.

Until democrats regain some modicum of sanity, they are the enemy

It's that simple

This^

(01-07-2022 12:39 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 08:53 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 04:15 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  It makes you wonder if the guy really is going to run again in 24 or if he is just fuking with dems for fun?

I for one don't want him back in that seat. I agree with a lot of if not the vast majority of his ideas, but he is so polarizing that the chaos that comes with it is just not worth it. DeSantis is Trump-lite and while some degree of the Trump chaos would follow him, he seems more level headed and diplomatic to handle it.

Eldonabe speaks for me. Bullet and Cardinal Jim somewhat also. And they manage to do so without pissing the rest of you off. Clearly, they all are much better posters than I, and perhaps I should just go the way of the rest of the dissenters on this board and let everyone peacefully enjoy an uninterrupted circle around pictures of the M.O.B.

But I do sometimes wonder why you guys, who I know for the most part to be smart people, think that Donald Trump in 2024 is anything other than a ticket to disaster.

JMU Duke: Are we better off now than we were a year ago? Of course not. The nation is heading over a progressive cliff. Yet how does that lead you (along with B.C. and Tiger) to the completely illogical conclusion that Donald Trump is the best candidate to run in 2024? He’s the idiot who lost what should have been a shoo-in reelection.

Ollie, have you not been watching DeSantis gracefully bat away every lie, cheap shot and slur directed his way? He is 100 times more effective as a politician and communicator than Donald Trump. Ron DeSantis absolutely obliterated AOC and the rest of the leftist hypocrites who have attempted to take him on. He’s done so with facts, with humor and with real accomplishments. There are plenty of others who could do just as well. Donald Trump? The only tool in his rhetorical box is name calling.

Shere Kahn, do you honestly think that Donald Trump wrote that statement? If you do, then there really is no discussing things with you. You just keep on waving those pom poms. I’m sure Donald loves you too.

Absolutely NOT. This is becoming our problem in the US and its a huge problem. Anytime we disagree we should completely shut off the speech of others. And this is supposed to help us grow as individuals and as a country. This is the way of Communist China and it looks like more and more countries are heading in the Venezuela direction including our on.

Everyone needs a voice. Even those who borderline lunacy need to speak and I don't have to agree with any of it but it is basically the only freedom we have left and once its gone so are we.

My deceased Dad used to tell me having strong competition is not only good in business but is good in all aspects of life. Huh? Yeah, he continued without competition you get arrogant, fat and lazy and what's even worse you get indignant. You just don't care what anyone has to say because you hold all the cards.

As to your reference of Trump I get where you are coming from. He is a lightening rod and does inspire people from all backgrounds to come out and vote against him.
These people you have to remember are fed MSM lies 24/7 and his tweets of ignorance and narcissism only fuel the fire. If you look at his performance which the liars will never report on then you get a different picture. Please name another President who actually looked out for Americans first? Just one regardless of party in our lifetime.

The real and last question my Mother asked me one day when I was complaining about his mannerisms was this " How many people do you know could take the verbal abuse and constant false attacks on their person and family and still endure to help common folks like ourselves when they don't need to or have to do it?"

None was my response.

And I know regardless when if ever there is another Republican President he will be baptized in the same fire as Trump. After what I have watched since the onset of this manmade manufactured virus I am led to believe that we as a nation are on a track of no return. I have been more inspired by other Americans and I know Trump showed us the way that we do not have to be quiet and take this lying down. The gloves must come off and our teeth have to be shown or these savages will rip us to shreds in the name of their Regressive religion and supposed high moral standards for all humanity.

Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: James 1

Outstanding... And your mom is a treasure.

(01-07-2022 08:58 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  No need convincing here.

He was, I think, about 16 out of the 21 or so for me who were running in ‘16. I had him behind Fiourina FFS.

Yet, I thought he’d win it when in it. I voted for him to try and pleeeease avoid the cliff the Cank would clearly drive us off into regressive utopiaville.

Then he proved me wrong. Despite the headwinds of never ending lies, MSM 24/7 barrage of never ending “anonymous” stories (yes, stories) fake im-peeesh-mints and a 31/2 year colonoscopy that ended in schit on The Mulers face in front of the entire world, guess what?

He still got a lot of the job done.

But, yet, boy does that seem to frustrate a lot of people to this day.

Would I vote for him a third time if he’s the nominee?
Yes.

Would I prefer to see someone else competent be the nominee in ‘24?
Yes.


That’s all

I'll vote for him if he's the nominee but I'd also vote for Ted Cruz or even Desantis. Even a Rand Paul type would be ok with me. Beyond those 4 I don't currently see anyone else.

Bottom line is I'll vote for whoever the GOP nominates over any democrat.

Whoever gets the nod I hope the first thing they do if elected is to reverse Bidens energy independence killing EO's and regulations.

(01-07-2022 04:42 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 01:07 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 04:15 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  It makes you wonder if the guy really is going to run again in 24 or if he is just fuking with dems for fun?

I for one don't want him back in that seat. I agree with a lot of if not the vast majority of his ideas, but he is so polarizing that the chaos that comes with it is just not worth it. DeSantis is Trump-lite and while some degree of the Trump chaos would follow him, he seems more level headed and diplomatic to handle it.

Ive come to the conclusion that its not Trump that causes an unusual level of polarization---its that the media is now willing to create whatever level of polarization necessary to allow the left to win. In other words---any conservative thats not a useful idiot (McCain, Romney, etc) will be demonized as much as needed to turn pubic opinion. Truth wont matter to the media---and hasnt for some time.

You can run DeSantis---but the press will turn him into a racist Hitler trope because they want a left wing government. Hell---the media tried to paint the useful idiot Rhino Romney as a misogynist racist during his presidential run----it is what it is. I could care less about "polarization". If polarization is an issue---then its solved by the media ceasing with the one-dimensional good-vs-evil cartoon plot news narratives. Nobody goes to DC to destroy the county. They go there to make the nation the shining city on a hill that we all desire---they just have differing opinions on the best way to get where we all want to go.

I completely disagree with this. There are certain politicians who went to DC to do exactly that. Obama wanted America "fundamentally transformed" and not into something "that we all desire" to use your words.

Anyone who thinks Omar or AOC or others in the far left progressive camp didn't go to DC to destroy this country so they could build it back better, more to their liking, is deluding themselves.

(01-06-2022 10:42 PM)Crebman Wrote:  Honestly, I love that Donald Trump is a fighter and refuses to take crap from the media, I also hate that Donald Trump can’t leave even the slightest sling alone and just slough it off sometimes.

Trump is a smart man and on the international stage was feared enough that the despots didn’t much mess with him. He wanted government out of the way for business to prosper…and it did.

With that said, he will be 78 by 2024 and face it, is extremely polarizing. Right now the Democrats “passion” for 2022 and 2024 isn’t good. I’d like them to remain dispirited. The name Trump on the ticket in 2024 will energize them - he is their bogeyman…

That is why I’d prefer DeSantis in 2024.

Now, the leftist media will attempt to destroy him just the same as Trump, but thus far he has been much more adept at handling the slings and arrows………

I agree. I think DeSantis would win in a landslide over Biden. Not even Democrats are impressed with this old fool. They just elected him because they despised Trump anyway.

(01-07-2022 06:27 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 05:51 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I've said it before and I'll say it again.. if you like his ideas, then what's the problem?

Because he doesn't knuckle under and play nice?

Because he’s politically toxic. Not just to the extent of being an unpleasant person. That would be tolerable. But rather to the point of being arguably unelectable, other than when his opponent is a repulsive skank like Hillary.

You may be correct, but a real question is would the MSM do the 24/7 lying and twisting about any strong Republican that isn’t a RINO??

My initial reaction is that they will……

Face it, our MSM is no better than Pravda was in the old Soviet Union…

(01-07-2022 06:44 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 06:27 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 05:51 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I've said it before and I'll say it again.. if you like his ideas, then what's the problem?

Because he doesn't knuckle under and play nice?

Because he’s politically toxic. Not just to the extent of being an unpleasant person. That would be tolerable. But rather to the point of being arguably unelectable, other than when his opponent is a repulsive skank like Hillary.

So. You are saying NONE of the 81million+ people that voted for Dementia Joe wish they would have voted for Trump a year later?

I’m not sure I understand your point. Is it that if a rematch were held today that Trump would likely have been reelected? I think that that almost indisputable. Grandpa Fubar (I need remind myself who introduced to that near-perfect nickname) has been way worse than anyone could have imagined (or feared).

But you agree, I trust, that there is no such thing as a real-time rematch in presidential elections. We have to suffer all the way to 2024 because Donald Trump insisted on fawning over himself instead of running a real campaign in 2020.

And even if we could somehow conjure up a off-year rematch, Donald Trump would still in my mind would be the weakest of possible Republican candidates.

(01-07-2022 08:52 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 06:27 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 05:51 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I've said it before and I'll say it again.. if you like his ideas, then what's the problem?

Because he doesn't knuckle under and play nice?

Because he’s politically toxic. Not just to the extent of being an unpleasant person. That would be tolerable. But rather to the point of being arguably unelectable, other than when his opponent is a repulsive skank like Hillary.

You may be correct, but a real question is would the MSM do the 24/7 lying and twisting about any strong Republican that isn’t a RINO??

My initial reaction is that they will……

Face it, our MSM is no better than Pravda was in the old Soviet Union…

I agree. Hopefully there will be a place in hell for the ungrateful scumbags in our national media who twisted the incredible rights and protections afforded to the press by our nation.

But that is a wish on my part. The reality is that whoever runs as the Republican candidate in 2024 is going to need to be ready for a vicious, underhanded fight.

Donald Trump, I freely admit, is a fighter. He’s just not very good at it.

(01-07-2022 07:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 04:42 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 01:07 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 04:15 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  It makes you wonder if the guy really is going to run again in 24 or if he is just fuking with dems for fun?

I for one don't want him back in that seat. I agree with a lot of if not the vast majority of his ideas, but he is so polarizing that the chaos that comes with it is just not worth it. DeSantis is Trump-lite and while some degree of the Trump chaos would follow him, he seems more level headed and diplomatic to handle it.

Ive come to the conclusion that its not Trump that causes an unusual level of polarization---its that the media is now willing to create whatever level of polarization necessary to allow the left to win. In other words---any conservative thats not a useful idiot (McCain, Romney, etc) will be demonized as much as needed to turn pubic opinion. Truth wont matter to the media---and hasnt for some time.

You can run DeSantis---but the press will turn him into a racist Hitler trope because they want a left wing government. Hell---the media tried to paint the useful idiot Rhino Romney as a misogynist racist during his presidential run----it is what it is. I could care less about "polarization". If polarization is an issue---then its solved by the media ceasing with the one-dimensional good-vs-evil cartoon plot news narratives. Nobody goes to DC to destroy the county. They go there to make the nation the shining city on a hill that we all desire---they just have differing opinions on the best way to get where we all want to go.

I completely disagree with this. There are certain politicians who went to DC to do exactly that. Obama wanted America "fundamentally transformed" and not into something "that we all desire" to use your words.

I actually do think Obama believed he was "making America better". I dont agree with his vision or how he intended to "make America better"---but I dont think anyone really goes to DC with evil intent. lol---I may think their version of a "better America" is nuts---but I do think they believe their goal is to do good and make America better. I would agree in a lot of cases---what one might think makes America better could easily be the antithesis of what I believe would make America better. So, to an extent, I do think you make a valid point in that there has developed less and less agreement on what each of us might define as the "shining city on the hill"......and thats a real potential problem over the long term.

Maybe Obama. But I don't believe that of any of the current Democratic leadership. They are power hungry Nazis.

(01-07-2022 08:52 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 06:27 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 05:51 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I've said it before and I'll say it again.. if you like his ideas, then what's the problem?

Because he doesn't knuckle under and play nice?

Because he’s politically toxic. Not just to the extent of being an unpleasant person. That would be tolerable. But rather to the point of being arguably unelectable, other than when his opponent is a repulsive skank like Hillary.

You may be correct, but a real question is would the MSM do the 24/7 lying and twisting about any strong Republican that isn’t a RINO??

My initial reaction is that they will……

Face it, our MSM is no better than Pravda was in the old Soviet Union…

They did it against McCain. They did it against Romney. They did it against Ford. They did it against Reagan and Nixon and both Bushes. They've just gotten worse since 9/11.

(01-07-2022 09:26 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 08:52 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 06:27 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 05:51 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I've said it before and I'll say it again.. if you like his ideas, then what's the problem?

Because he doesn't knuckle under and play nice?

Because he’s politically toxic. Not just to the extent of being an unpleasant person. That would be tolerable. But rather to the point of being arguably unelectable, other than when his opponent is a repulsive skank like Hillary.

You may be correct, but a real question is would the MSM do the 24/7 lying and twisting about any strong Republican that isn’t a RINO??

My initial reaction is that they will……

Face it, our MSM is no better than Pravda was in the old Soviet Union…

They did it against McCain. They did it against Romney. They did it against Ford. They did it against Reagan and Nixon and both Bushes. They've just gotten worse since 9/11.

Yep - but it’s far more vicious today, and far less truthful no less. They just make stuff up, then circularly print it because the other outlet said it, as though their lies are facts…..

(01-07-2022 06:27 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 05:51 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I've said it before and I'll say it again.. if you like his ideas, then what's the problem?

Because he doesn't knuckle under and play nice?

Because he’s politically toxic. Not just to the extent of being an unpleasant person. That would be tolerable. But rather to the point of being arguably unelectable, other than when his opponent is a repulsive skank like Hillary.

did it once ...

DO IT AGAIN

(01-08-2022 12:46 AM)green Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 06:27 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 05:51 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I've said it before and I'll say it again.. if you like his ideas, then what's the problem?

Because he doesn't knuckle under and play nice?

Because he’s politically toxic. Not just to the extent of being an unpleasant person. That would be tolerable. But rather to the point of being arguably unelectable, other than when his opponent is a repulsive skank like Hillary.

did it once ...

DO IT AGAIN

I didn’t realize that you had a poll! Well then I guess that’s game, set, match for Donald Trump.

(The Clinton 2016 team endorses your methodology, b.t.w.)

Well, let me first say that being one of those horrid left-of center, person I know that I will not be popular here. Actually, I usually steer clear of these political discussions. You rarely if ever change anyone’ s mind about these things, and anyone offering differing opinions is pilloried. Not that there are many different opinions expressed here, lol. It is a VERY closed little group of single-minded people here, don’t ya think? I mean some people will even chase after you on other forums, send nasty and threatening pm’s, etc., once you disagree with them. This has happened to me.

As for policies, like I said, I usually fall in the progressive category but I do have a bit of a libertarian streak so can definitely see the validity of the whole thought of less government, etc. I also think we, as a country, function better when there is a balance. I never want to see any one side controlling everything.

As for trump, it wasn’t just his policies I (and over 8 million other voters) despised so much, it’s all the totally character flaws he has. He has lied, cheated and bluffed his entire life. And as hard as it may seem, there are actually millions of suckers….I mean people…who firmly believe that he is like that fictitious character he played on that ridiculous tv show he was on. I have been pretty much been able to tune him out of my life, until 2016. I mean, all the petty twitter squabbles with the likes of Rosie, and Alec. Really? That is a person you think is fit for and deserved to be elected to the highest office in the land? To be the most powerful person in the world? I mean his m.o. has always been been and will always be, to create pr for himself by creating, nay, reveling in fights with others. And this was before all the illegal, and inexcusable actions he has taken, and is still taking following his loss in 2020.

I could on and on about all of this, but if you don’t understand how incredibly toxic this guy is, you are living in a dream world. Nothing could be better for the left than to have this nut still in the game, trust me.

The GOP was better off when they had candidates that actually at least tried to live up to all that ‘family values’ and ‘law and order’ stuff they are always saying they believe in and stand for. Not someone who is the very antithesis of those things.

So bottom line, if DJT is the candidate in 24 he will lose again. Just like he lost the house in 18, the White House in 20, and the senate in 21.

Peace out

(01-08-2022 07:51 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  Well, let me first say that being one of those horrid left-of center, person I know that I will not be popular here. Actually, I usually steer clear of these political discussions. You rarely if ever change anyone’ s mind about these things, and anyone offering differing opinions is pilloried. Not that there are many different opinions expressed here, lol. It is a VERY closed little group of single-minded people here, don’t ya think? I mean some people will even chase after you on other forums, send nasty and threatening pm’s, etc., once you disagree with them. This has happened to me.

As for policies, like I said, I usually fall in the progressive category but I do have a bit of a libertarian streak so can definitely see the validity of the whole thought of less government, etc. I also think we, as a country, function better when there is a balance. I never want to see any one side controlling everything.

As for trump, it wasn’t just his policies I (and over 8 million other voters) despised so much, it’s all the totally character flaws he has. He has lied, cheated and bluffed his entire life. And as hard as it may seem, there are actually millions of suckers….I mean people…who firmly believe that he is like that fictitious character he played on that ridiculous tv show he was on. I have been pretty much been able to tune him out of my life, until 2016. I mean, all the petty twitter squabbles with the likes of Rosie, and Alec. Really? That is a person you think is fit for and deserved to be elected to the highest office in the land? To be the most powerful person in the world? I mean his m.o. has always been been and will always be, to create pr for himself by creating, nay, reveling in fights with others. And this was before all the illegal, and inexcusable actions he has taken, and is still taking following his loss in 2020.

I could on and on about all of this, but if you don’t understand how incredibly toxic this guy is, you are living in a dream world. Nothing could be better for the left than to have this nut still in the game, trust me.

The GOP was better off when they had candidates that actually at least tried to live up to all that ‘family values’ and ‘law and order’ stuff they are always saying they believe in and stand for. Not someone who is the very antithesis of those things.

So bottom line, if DJT is the candidate in 24 he will lose again. Just like he lost the house in 18, the White House in 20, and the senate in 21.

Peace out

We don't want your vote.

(01-08-2022 09:03 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 07:51 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  Well, let me first say that being one of those horrid left-of center, person I know that I will not be popular here. Actually, I usually steer clear of these political discussions. You rarely if ever change anyone’ s mind about these things, and anyone offering differing opinions is pilloried. Not that there are many different opinions expressed here, lol. It is a VERY closed little group of single-minded people here, don’t ya think? I mean some people will even chase after you on other forums, send nasty and threatening pm’s, etc., once you disagree with them. This has happened to me.

As for policies, like I said, I usually fall in the progressive category but I do have a bit of a libertarian streak so can definitely see the validity of the whole thought of less government, etc. I also think we, as a country, function better when there is a balance. I never want to see any one side controlling everything.

As for trump, it wasn’t just his policies I (and over 8 million other voters) despised so much, it’s all the totally character flaws he has. He has lied, cheated and bluffed his entire life. And as hard as it may seem, there are actually millions of suckers….I mean people…who firmly believe that he is like that fictitious character he played on that ridiculous tv show he was on. I have been pretty much been able to tune him out of my life, until 2016. I mean, all the petty twitter squabbles with the likes of Rosie, and Alec. Really? That is a person you think is fit for and deserved to be elected to the highest office in the land? To be the most powerful person in the world? I mean his m.o. has always been been and will always be, to create pr for himself by creating, nay, reveling in fights with others. And this was before all the illegal, and inexcusable actions he has taken, and is still taking following his loss in 2020.

I could on and on about all of this, but if you don’t understand how incredibly toxic this guy is, you are living in a dream world. Nothing could be better for the left than to have this nut still in the game, trust me.

The GOP was better off when they had candidates that actually at least tried to live up to all that ‘family values’ and ‘law and order’ stuff they are always saying they believe in and stand for. Not someone who is the very antithesis of those things.

So bottom line, if DJT is the candidate in 24 he will lose again. Just like he lost the house in 18, the White House in 20, and the senate in 21.

Peace out

We don't want your vote.

LOL. I never thought you would. But nice, thoughtful rebuttal.