(01-07-2022 12:39 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 08:53 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 04:15 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  It makes you wonder if the guy really is going to run again in 24 or if he is just fuking with dems for fun?

I for one don't want him back in that seat. I agree with a lot of if not the vast majority of his ideas, but he is so polarizing that the chaos that comes with it is just not worth it. DeSantis is Trump-lite and while some degree of the Trump chaos would follow him, he seems more level headed and diplomatic to handle it.

Eldonabe speaks for me. Bullet and Cardinal Jim somewhat also. And they manage to do so without pissing the rest of you off. Clearly, they all are much better posters than I, and perhaps I should just go the way of the rest of the dissenters on this board and let everyone peacefully enjoy an uninterrupted circle around pictures of the M.O.B.

But I do sometimes wonder why you guys, who I know for the most part to be smart people, think that Donald Trump in 2024 is anything other than a ticket to disaster.

JMU Duke: Are we better off now than we were a year ago? Of course not. The nation is heading over a progressive cliff. Yet how does that lead you (along with B.C. and Tiger) to the completely illogical conclusion that Donald Trump is the best candidate to run in 2024? He’s the idiot who lost what should have been a shoo-in reelection.

Ollie, have you not been watching DeSantis gracefully bat away every lie, cheap shot and slur directed his way? He is 100 times more effective as a politician and communicator than Donald Trump. Ron DeSantis absolutely obliterated AOC and the rest of the leftist hypocrites who have attempted to take him on. He’s done so with facts, with humor and with real accomplishments. There are plenty of others who could do just as well. Donald Trump? The only tool in his rhetorical box is name calling.

Shere Kahn, do you honestly think that Donald Trump wrote that statement? If you do, then there really is no discussing things with you. You just keep on waving those pom poms. I’m sure Donald loves you too.

Absolutely NOT. This is becoming our problem in the US and its a huge problem. Anytime we disagree we should completely shut off the speech of others. And this is supposed to help us grow as individuals and as a country. This is the way of Communist China and it looks like more and more countries are heading in the Venezuela direction including our on.

Everyone needs a voice. Even those who borderline lunacy need to speak and I don't have to agree with any of it but it is basically the only freedom we have left and once its gone so are we.

My deceased Dad used to tell me having strong competition is not only good in business but is good in all aspects of life. Huh? Yeah, he continued without competition you get arrogant, fat and lazy and what's even worse you get indignant. You just don't care what anyone has to say because you hold all the cards.

As to your reference of Trump I get where you are coming from. He is a lightening rod and does inspire people from all backgrounds to come out and vote against him.
These people you have to remember are fed MSM lies 24/7 and his tweets of ignorance and narcissism only fuel the fire. If you look at his performance which the liars will never report on then you get a different picture. Please name another President who actually looked out for Americans first? Just one regardless of party in our lifetime.

The real and last question my Mother asked me one day when I was complaining about his mannerisms was this " How many people do you know could take the verbal abuse and constant false attacks on their person and family and still endure to help common folks like ourselves when they don't need to or have to do it?"

None was my response.

And I know regardless when if ever there is another Republican President he will be baptized in the same fire as Trump. After what I have watched since the onset of this manmade manufactured virus I am led to believe that we as a nation are on a track of no return. I have been more inspired by other Americans and I know Trump showed us the way that we do not have to be quiet and take this lying down. The gloves must come off and our teeth have to be shown or these savages will rip us to shreds in the name of their Regressive religion and supposed high moral standards for all humanity.

Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: James 1

We need someone to tell it like it is, but to be able to do it with tact and humor and to not respond to every Hollywood C lister who says something bad about him.

(01-06-2022 08:53 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 04:15 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  It makes you wonder if the guy really is going to run again in 24 or if he is just fuking with dems for fun?

I for one don't want him back in that seat. I agree with a lot of if not the vast majority of his ideas, but he is so polarizing that the chaos that comes with it is just not worth it. DeSantis is Trump-lite and while some degree of the Trump chaos would follow him, he seems more level headed and diplomatic to handle it.

Eldonabe speaks for me. Bullet and Cardinal Jim somewhat also. And they manage to do so without pissing the rest of you off. Clearly, they all are much better posters than I, and perhaps I should just go the way of the rest of the dissenters on this board and let everyone peacefully enjoy an uninterrupted circle around pictures of the M.O.B.

But I do sometimes wonder why you guys, who I know for the most part to be smart people, think that Donald Trump in 2024 is anything other than a ticket to disaster.

JMU Duke: Are we better off now than we were a year ago? Of course not. The nation is heading over a progressive cliff. Yet how does that lead you (along with B.C. and Tiger) to the completely illogical conclusion that Donald Trump is the best candidate to run in 2024? He’s the idiot who lost what should have been a shoo-in reelection.

Ollie, have you not been watching DeSantis gracefully bat away every lie, cheap shot and slur directed his way? He is 100 times more effective as a politician and communicator than Donald Trump. Ron DeSantis absolutely obliterated AOC and the rest of the leftist hypocrites who have attempted to take him on. He’s done so with facts, with humor and with real accomplishments. There are plenty of others who could do just as well. Donald Trump? The only tool in his rhetorical box is name calling.

Shere Kahn, do you honestly think that Donald Trump wrote that statement? If you do, then there really is no discussing things with you. You just keep on waving those pom poms. I’m sure Donald loves you too.

Lol

K

Please point out where I endorsed or even suggested the Drumpf would be my choice, or should be anyone else’s choice for ‘24.
He wasn’t my choice for ‘16 for that matter. Now here we are.

My only real question was pretty simple, even for a simple person;

Aside from personality, what is/was the big problem?

Policy. Not personality.

I care about the former, care not about the latter. Who actually gives a schit?

Why?

(01-07-2022 07:35 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 08:53 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 04:15 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  It makes you wonder if the guy really is going to run again in 24 or if he is just fuking with dems for fun?

I for one don't want him back in that seat. I agree with a lot of if not the vast majority of his ideas, but he is so polarizing that the chaos that comes with it is just not worth it. DeSantis is Trump-lite and while some degree of the Trump chaos would follow him, he seems more level headed and diplomatic to handle it.

Eldonabe speaks for me. Bullet and Cardinal Jim somewhat also. And they manage to do so without pissing the rest of you off. Clearly, they all are much better posters than I, and perhaps I should just go the way of the rest of the dissenters on this board and let everyone peacefully enjoy an uninterrupted circle around pictures of the M.O.B.

But I do sometimes wonder why you guys, who I know for the most part to be smart people, think that Donald Trump in 2024 is anything other than a ticket to disaster.

JMU Duke: Are we better off now than we were a year ago? Of course not. The nation is heading over a progressive cliff. Yet how does that lead you (along with B.C. and Tiger) to the completely illogical conclusion that Donald Trump is the best candidate to run in 2024? He’s the idiot who lost what should have been a shoo-in reelection.

Ollie, have you not been watching DeSantis gracefully bat away every lie, cheap shot and slur directed his way? He is 100 times more effective as a politician and communicator than Donald Trump. Ron DeSantis absolutely obliterated AOC and the rest of the leftist hypocrites who have attempted to take him on. He’s done so with facts, with humor and with real accomplishments. There are plenty of others who could do just as well. Donald Trump? The only tool in his rhetorical box is name calling.

Shere Kahn, do you honestly think that Donald Trump wrote that statement? If you do, then there really is no discussing things with you. You just keep on waving those pom poms. I’m sure Donald loves you too.

Lol

K

Please point out where I endorsed or even suggested the Drumpf would be my choice, or should be anyone else’s choice for ‘24.
He wasn’t my choice for ‘16 for that matter. Now here we are.

My only real question was pretty simple, even for a simple person;

Aside from personality, what is/was the big problem?

Policy. Not personality.

I care about the former, care not about the latter. Who actually gives a schit?

Why?

It would be nice if you could separate the two: policy and personality. With Donald Trump you cannot.

The only policy differences I have with DJT is his AWFUL record of judgment when it comes to subordinates: Fauci, Comey, etc. That’s no small thing, but he is otherwise leagues better than anyone on the Democrat side of the ledger. If that is all you are looking for, then point conceded.

Yet insisting on taking personality out of the equation for a politician is like taking cleanliness out of a dentist. He may be the best tooth-driller in the entire world, but if he wipes his own butt without washing up he will not be putting his hands in my mouth.

Hunh.

Well, I guess if you can’t separate the two that’d be on you.

I gave a free pass to both Jimma’s and zerO’s personalities, seemed to me to be good decent people and fathers.

Their policies sucked.

Which has an impact on me, you, or the body politic?

I’ll rephrase;
Are you more concerned about your personal feels, or what this persons decisions has on this entire country and possibly the world?

JFK and LBJ certainly came off as affable if not downright seductive to some, millions.

How’d that work out?

If Shallow Hal is how you’d prefer to go, then fine. You’ve got him/them in office now. Weekend at Biden’s.

Me? No thanks.

(01-07-2022 08:08 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Hunh.

Well, I guess if you can’t separate the two that’d be on you.

I gave a free pass to both Jimma’s and zerO’s personalities, seemed to me to be good decent people and fathers.

Their policies sucked.

Which has an impact on me, you, or the body politic?

I’ll rephrase;
Are you more concerned about your personal feels, or what this persons decisions has on this entire country and possibly the world?

JFK and LBJ certainly came off as affable if not downright seductive to some, millions.

How’d that work out?

If Shallow Hal is how you’d prefer to go, then fine. You’ve got him/them in office now. Weekend at Biden’s.

Me? No thanks.

Clearly the latter: impact upon our nation and the world. And if this were just a problem with me being my usual wussy self, you'd have a point. But I think you know full well that I am not the only American wussy with the right to vote. There are lots of us out there. Not 81mm, but lots nevertheless. (And, for the record, I voted for him in 2020.)

Donald Trump, hero of the nation, has an unfixable problem with controlling himself. During the 2016 campaign, and after his election, he promised that he understood the need for acting "more presidential" (his words). He failed.

Impact on the world and nation? Run Donald Trump in 2024 and you will be condemning all of us to a progressive hell for at least the rest of my natural life. I am convinced of that. I am deeply disappointed in my inability to convince others.

No need convincing here.

He was, I think, about 16 out of the 21 or so for me who were running in ‘16. I had him behind Fiourina FFS.

Yet, I thought he’d win it when in it. I voted for him to try and pleeeease avoid the cliff the Cank would clearly drive us off into regressive utopiaville.

Then he proved me wrong. Despite the headwinds of never ending lies, MSM 24/7 barrage of never ending “anonymous” stories (yes, stories) fake im-peeesh-mints and a 31/2 year colonoscopy that ended in schit on The Mulers face in front of the entire world, guess what?

He still got a lot of the job done.

But, yet, boy does that seem to frustrate a lot of people to this day.

Would I vote for him a third time if he’s the nominee?
Yes.

Would I prefer to see someone else competent be the nominee in ‘24?
Yes.


That’s all

(01-07-2022 08:58 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  No need convincing here.

He was, I think, about 16 out of the 21 or so for me who were running in ‘16. I had him behind Fiourina FFS.

Yet, I thought he’d win it when in it. I voted for him to try and pleeeease avoid the cliff the Cank would clearly drive us off into regressive utopiaville.

Then he proved me wrong. Despite the headwinds of never ending lies, MSM 24/7 barrage of never ending “anonymous” stories (yes, stories) fake im-peeesh-mints and a 31/2 year colonoscopy that ended in schit on The Mulers face in front of the entire world, guess what?

He still got a lot of the job done.

But, yet, boy does that seem to frustrate a lot of people to this day.

Would I vote for him a third time if he’s the nominee?
Yes.

Would I prefer to see someone else competent be the nominee in ‘24?
Yes.


That’s all

This x 1,000

(01-07-2022 12:39 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 08:53 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 04:15 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  It makes you wonder if the guy really is going to run again in 24 or if he is just fuking with dems for fun?

I for one don't want him back in that seat. I agree with a lot of if not the vast majority of his ideas, but he is so polarizing that the chaos that comes with it is just not worth it. DeSantis is Trump-lite and while some degree of the Trump chaos would follow him, he seems more level headed and diplomatic to handle it.

Eldonabe speaks for me. Bullet and Cardinal Jim somewhat also. And they manage to do so without pissing the rest of you off. Clearly, they all are much better posters than I, and perhaps I should just go the way of the rest of the dissenters on this board and let everyone peacefully enjoy an uninterrupted circle around pictures of the M.O.B.

But I do sometimes wonder why you guys, who I know for the most part to be smart people, think that Donald Trump in 2024 is anything other than a ticket to disaster.

JMU Duke: Are we better off now than we were a year ago? Of course not. The nation is heading over a progressive cliff. Yet how does that lead you (along with B.C. and Tiger) to the completely illogical conclusion that Donald Trump is the best candidate to run in 2024? He’s the idiot who lost what should have been a shoo-in reelection.

Ollie, have you not been watching DeSantis gracefully bat away every lie, cheap shot and slur directed his way? He is 100 times more effective as a politician and communicator than Donald Trump. Ron DeSantis absolutely obliterated AOC and the rest of the leftist hypocrites who have attempted to take him on. He’s done so with facts, with humor and with real accomplishments. There are plenty of others who could do just as well. Donald Trump? The only tool in his rhetorical box is name calling.

Shere Kahn, do you honestly think that Donald Trump wrote that statement? If you do, then there really is no discussing things with you. You just keep on waving those pom poms. I’m sure Donald loves you too.

Absolutely NOT. This is becoming our problem in the US and its a huge problem. Anytime we disagree we should completely shut off the speech of others. And this is supposed to help us grow as individuals and as a country. This is the way of Communist China and it looks like more and more countries are heading in the Venezuela direction including our on.

Everyone needs a voice. Even those who borderline lunacy need to speak and I don't have to agree with any of it but it is basically the only freedom we have left and once its gone so are we.

My deceased Dad used to tell me having strong competition is not only good in business but is good in all aspects of life. Huh? Yeah, he continued without competition you get arrogant, fat and lazy and what's even worse you get indignant. You just don't care what anyone has to say because you hold all the cards.

As to your reference of Trump I get where you are coming from. He is a lightening rod and does inspire people from all backgrounds to come out and vote against him.
These people you have to remember are fed MSM lies 24/7 and his tweets of ignorance and narcissism only fuel the fire. If you look at his performance which the liars will never report on then you get a different picture. Please name another President who actually looked out for Americans first? Just one regardless of party in our lifetime.

The real and last question my Mother asked me one day when I was complaining about his mannerisms was this " How many people do you know could take the verbal abuse and constant false attacks on their person and family and still endure to help common folks like ourselves when they don't need to or have to do it?"

None was my response.

And I know regardless when if ever there is another Republican President he will be baptized in the same fire as Trump. After what I have watched since the onset of this manmade manufactured virus I am led to believe that we as a nation are on a track of no return. I have been more inspired by other Americans and I know Trump showed us the way that we do not have to be quiet and take this lying down. The gloves must come off and our teeth have to be shown or these savages will rip us to shreds in the name of their Regressive religion and supposed high moral standards for all humanity.

Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: James 1

Well thought out and well said. We do need a political ‘savior’ at this point. Is there one and will we accept him is the question.
I am afraid not.

(01-06-2022 04:15 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  It makes you wonder if the guy really is going to run again in 24 or if he is just fuking with dems for fun?

I for one don't want him back in that seat. I agree with a lot of if not the vast majority of his ideas, but he is so polarizing that the chaos that comes with it is just not worth it. DeSantis is Trump-lite and while some degree of the Trump chaos would follow him, he seems more level headed and diplomatic to handle it.

Ive come to the conclusion that its not Trump that causes an unusual level of polarization---its that the media is now willing to create whatever level of polarization necessary to allow the left to win. In other words---any conservative thats not a useful idiot (McCain, Romney, etc) will be demonized as much as needed to turn pubic opinion. Truth wont matter to the media---and hasnt for some time.

You can run DeSantis---but the press will turn him into a racist Hitler trope because they want a left wing government. Hell---the media tried to paint the useful idiot Rhino Romney as a misogynist racist during his presidential run----it is what it is. I could care less about "polarization". If polarization is an issue---then its solved by the media ceasing with the one-dimensional good-vs-evil cartoon plot news narratives. Nobody goes to DC to destroy the county. They go there to make the nation the shining city on a hill that we all desire---they just have differing opinions on the best way to get where we all want to go.

(01-07-2022 01:07 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 04:15 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  It makes you wonder if the guy really is going to run again in 24 or if he is just fuking with dems for fun?

I for one don't want him back in that seat. I agree with a lot of if not the vast majority of his ideas, but he is so polarizing that the chaos that comes with it is just not worth it. DeSantis is Trump-lite and while some degree of the Trump chaos would follow him, he seems more level headed and diplomatic to handle it.

Ive come to the conclusion that its not Trump that causes an unusual level of polarization---its that the media is now willing to create whatever level of polarization necessary to allow the left to win. In other words---any conservative thats not a useful idiot (McCain, Romney, etc) will be demonized as much as needed to turn pubic opinion. Truth wont matter to the media---and hasnt for some time.

You can run DeSantis---but the press will turn him into a racist Hitler trope because they want a left wing government. Hell---the media tried to paint the useful idiot Rhino Romney as a misogynist racist during his presidential run----it is what it is. I could care less about "polarization". If polarization is an issue---then its solved by the media ceasing with the one-dimensional good-vs-evil cartoon plot news narratives. Nobody goes to DC to destroy the county. They go there to make the nation the shining city on a hill that we all desire---they just have differing opinions on the best way to get where we all want to go.

I agree with much of this, but disagree with your conclusion. You are correct that the media is an evil actor. You are correct that they will demonize and lie about whoever the Republicans select as their candidate. And you are correct that Romney and McCain played the role of "useful idiots".

But you are absolutely incorrect in assuming that there are not non-Trump Republicans capable of handling the media. Ron DeSantis appears to be a master at it. Any of Rand Paul, Tom Cotton, Tim Scott, Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley, Mike Pompeo and countless others have shown an ability to stand up to that kind of crap, call it out for what it is, and emerge looking even better from a political standpoint. All of them are far better than Donald Trump.

He, in my view, is the WORST option for dealing with a dishonest media. DJT caught the media by surprise in 2016. But they were very much onto him in 2020.

Not only does he unnecessarily create and feed the narrative that the media is looking to sell, but he is the incapable of anything other than ad hominem and non sequitur responses. He is not a smart man. He is - - beginning, middle and end - - little more that a semi-gifted entertainer. We, as a nation, need better in 2024. There are lots of other options to choose from.

I want Trump back in '24 just to see the left's brain explode... it would be glorious!

(01-07-2022 01:07 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 04:15 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  It makes you wonder if the guy really is going to run again in 24 or if he is just fuking with dems for fun?

I for one don't want him back in that seat. I agree with a lot of if not the vast majority of his ideas, but he is so polarizing that the chaos that comes with it is just not worth it. DeSantis is Trump-lite and while some degree of the Trump chaos would follow him, he seems more level headed and diplomatic to handle it.

Ive come to the conclusion that its not Trump that causes an unusual level of polarization---its that the media is now willing to create whatever level of polarization necessary to allow the left to win. In other words---any conservative thats not a useful idiot (McCain, Romney, etc) will be demonized as much as needed to turn pubic opinion. Truth wont matter to the media---and hasnt for some time.

You can run DeSantis---but the press will turn him into a racist Hitler trope because they want a left wing government. Hell---the media tried to paint the useful idiot Rhino Romney as a misogynist racist during his presidential run----it is what it is. I could care less about "polarization". If polarization is an issue---then its solved by the media ceasing with the one-dimensional good-vs-evil cartoon plot news narratives. Nobody goes to DC to destroy the county. They go there to make the nation the shining city on a hill that we all desire---they just have differing opinions on the best way to get where we all want to go.

https://twitter.com/TheLeadCNN/status/10...2703718400

LIKE WATER OFF A DUCK’S BACK

(01-07-2022 01:53 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 01:07 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 04:15 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  It makes you wonder if the guy really is going to run again in 24 or if he is just fuking with dems for fun?

I for one don't want him back in that seat. I agree with a lot of if not the vast majority of his ideas, but he is so polarizing that the chaos that comes with it is just not worth it. DeSantis is Trump-lite and while some degree of the Trump chaos would follow him, he seems more level headed and diplomatic to handle it.

Ive come to the conclusion that its not Trump that causes an unusual level of polarization---its that the media is now willing to create whatever level of polarization necessary to allow the left to win. In other words---any conservative thats not a useful idiot (McCain, Romney, etc) will be demonized as much as needed to turn pubic opinion. Truth wont matter to the media---and hasnt for some time.

You can run DeSantis---but the press will turn him into a racist Hitler trope because they want a left wing government. Hell---the media tried to paint the useful idiot Rhino Romney as a misogynist racist during his presidential run----it is what it is. I could care less about "polarization". If polarization is an issue---then its solved by the media ceasing with the one-dimensional good-vs-evil cartoon plot news narratives. Nobody goes to DC to destroy the county. They go there to make the nation the shining city on a hill that we all desire---they just have differing opinions on the best way to get where we all want to go.

I agree with much of this, but disagree with your conclusion. You are correct that the media is an evil actor. You are correct that they will demonize and lie about whoever the Republicans select as their candidate. And you are correct that Romney and McCain played the role of "useful idiots".

But you are absolutely incorrect in assuming that there are not non-Trump Republicans capable of handling the media. Ron DeSantis appears to be a master at it. Any of Rand Paul, Tom Cotton, Tim Scott, Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley, Mike Pompeo and countless others have shown an ability to stand up to that kind of crap, call it out for what it is, and emerge looking even better from a political standpoint. All of them are far better than Donald Trump.

He, in my view, is the WORST option for dealing with a dishonest media. DJT caught the media by surprise in 2016. But they were very much onto him in 2020.

Not only does he unnecessarily create and feed the narrative that the media is looking to sell, but he is the incapable of anything other than ad hominem and non sequitur responses. He is not a smart man. He is - - beginning, middle and end - - little more that a semi-gifted entertainer. We, as a nation, need better in 2024. There are lots of other options to choose from.

To be clear---we dont disagree. I think DeSantis would be a good candidate and I'd be just fine with him. My point is simply that DeSantis would be demonized exactly the same way that Trump is. Trump actually is a very intelligent guy who is hard to disagree with IF you listen to the entire answer or conversation. But if you take a snippet ("there were some very good people there on both sides") and ignore that a few sentences later Trump makes it very clear that 'Im not talking about the white supremacists and nazi's--they are despicable"----then yeah---you can make it appear he says or believes something he doesnt. I think your deluding yourself if you think DeSantis---who is also a very smart guy---cant be screwed by the media in the same manner. Its just like the "Trump said to drink Clorox" trope---I watched that press conference from start to finish----and he never once said to drink Clorox....ever---yet most people actually think he did say that. What he talked about is how Clorox kills Covid on contact and wouldnt it be great if we could figure out some way to safely get that kind of effect inside the body. It was just him talking about how we dont know what innovation might be coming down the line to get us past Covid.

Donald J Trump
@realdonaldtrump
1h

Today, I am more confident than ever in the strength and common sense of the American People. They are counting the days until we will no longer have to be constantly lectured, lied to, and dictated to by corrupt politicians and their media partners. When we will no longer have to put up with this broken establishment’s hoaxes and its manufactured media narratives—And as Biden and his radical handlers know, that day is coming fast. Because in the months and years ahead, the American People are going to speak up, take action, and VOTE in massive numbers, and we are going to TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY.

From the very beginning, all that Americans have wanted is great jobs, safe neighborhoods, strong borders, good schools, a proud nation, and a government that LISTENS to the American People. That is what our movement has always been about—and that is what we are focused on to this day.

Joe Biden and the Radical Democrats have failed on every front. But do not lose hope. America WILL be Great Again.




We love our magnificent orange bastard, believe me.

(01-07-2022 07:45 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 07:35 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 08:53 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 04:15 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  It makes you wonder if the guy really is going to run again in 24 or if he is just fuking with dems for fun?

I for one don't want him back in that seat. I agree with a lot of if not the vast majority of his ideas, but he is so polarizing that the chaos that comes with it is just not worth it. DeSantis is Trump-lite and while some degree of the Trump chaos would follow him, he seems more level headed and diplomatic to handle it.

Eldonabe speaks for me. Bullet and Cardinal Jim somewhat also. And they manage to do so without pissing the rest of you off. Clearly, they all are much better posters than I, and perhaps I should just go the way of the rest of the dissenters on this board and let everyone peacefully enjoy an uninterrupted circle around pictures of the M.O.B.

But I do sometimes wonder why you guys, who I know for the most part to be smart people, think that Donald Trump in 2024 is anything other than a ticket to disaster.

JMU Duke: Are we better off now than we were a year ago? Of course not. The nation is heading over a progressive cliff. Yet how does that lead you (along with B.C. and Tiger) to the completely illogical conclusion that Donald Trump is the best candidate to run in 2024? He’s the idiot who lost what should have been a shoo-in reelection.

Ollie, have you not been watching DeSantis gracefully bat away every lie, cheap shot and slur directed his way? He is 100 times more effective as a politician and communicator than Donald Trump. Ron DeSantis absolutely obliterated AOC and the rest of the leftist hypocrites who have attempted to take him on. He’s done so with facts, with humor and with real accomplishments. There are plenty of others who could do just as well. Donald Trump? The only tool in his rhetorical box is name calling.

Shere Kahn, do you honestly think that Donald Trump wrote that statement? If you do, then there really is no discussing things with you. You just keep on waving those pom poms. I’m sure Donald loves you too.

Lol

K

Please point out where I endorsed or even suggested the Drumpf would be my choice, or should be anyone else’s choice for ‘24.
He wasn’t my choice for ‘16 for that matter. Now here we are.

My only real question was pretty simple, even for a simple person;

Aside from personality, what is/was the big problem?

Policy. Not personality.

I care about the former, care not about the latter. Who actually gives a schit?

Why?

It would be nice if you could separate the two: policy and personality. With Donald Trump you cannot.

The only policy differences I have with DJT is his AWFUL record of judgment when it comes to subordinates: Fauci, Comey, etc. That’s no small thing, but he is otherwise leagues better than anyone on the Democrat side of the ledger. If that is all you are looking for, then point conceded.

Yet insisting on taking personality out of the equation for a politician is like taking cleanliness out of a dentist. He may be the best tooth-driller in the entire world, but if he wipes his own butt without washing up he will not be putting his hands in my mouth.

He did make some bad personnel choices. I blame him more for Sessions than for Fauci and Comey who he inherited and didn't fire soon enough.

(01-07-2022 12:43 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 11:40 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 04:15 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  It makes you wonder if the guy really is going to run again in 24 or if he is just fuking with dems for fun?

I for one don't want him back in that seat. I agree with a lot of if not the vast majority of his ideas, but he is so polarizing that the chaos that comes with it is just not worth it. DeSantis is Trump-lite and while some degree of the Trump chaos would follow him, he seems more level headed and diplomatic to handle it.

No matter what republican wins, they are going to treat him like Trump 2.0.

The idea that the left and the media will clam down on any level is just a fantasy.

Agreed, but DJT makes it easy. They tried it on Ronald Reagan and it rapidly fell apart. They managed to get people to hate the Bushes, but W. was so personally likable it didn't stop him.

Don't be a naive boomer. That was before twitter.

If they really believed Trump was trying to bring us to a dictatorship & lead an insurrection & the only thing preventing that is the presidential election going the other way, doesn't it make sense that they would stop him from getting elected in 2024 at any cost (rigging an election), constitution be damned?

(01-07-2022 01:07 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 04:15 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  It makes you wonder if the guy really is going to run again in 24 or if he is just fuking with dems for fun?

I for one don't want him back in that seat. I agree with a lot of if not the vast majority of his ideas, but he is so polarizing that the chaos that comes with it is just not worth it. DeSantis is Trump-lite and while some degree of the Trump chaos would follow him, he seems more level headed and diplomatic to handle it.

Ive come to the conclusion that its not Trump that causes an unusual level of polarization---its that the media is now willing to create whatever level of polarization necessary to allow the left to win. In other words---any conservative thats not a useful idiot (McCain, Romney, etc) will be demonized as much as needed to turn pubic opinion. Truth wont matter to the media---and hasnt for some time.

You can run DeSantis---but the press will turn him into a racist Hitler trope because they want a left wing government. Hell---the media tried to paint the useful idiot Rhino Romney as a misogynist racist during his presidential run----it is what it is. I could care less about "polarization". If polarization is an issue---then its solved by the media ceasing with the one-dimensional good-vs-evil cartoon plot news narratives. Nobody goes to DC to destroy the county. They go there to make the nation the shining city on a hill that we all desire---they just have differing opinions on the best way to get where we all want to go.

I completely disagree with this. There are certain politicians who went to DC to do exactly that. Obama wanted America "fundamentally transformed" and not into something "that we all desire" to use your words.

(01-06-2022 04:15 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I agree with a lot of if not the vast majority of his ideas, but he is so polarizing that the chaos that comes with it is just not worth it.

Polarizing to whom?

I've said it before and I'll say it again.. if you like his ideas, then what's the problem?

Because he doesn't knuckle under and play nice? Hell, everyone of us has asked for the Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romneys, Jeff Sessions, etc. to grow a spine over his years in congress.

Now we've got a spine and it's "too polarizing"?

Either quit whining that Republicans play too nice with Democrats or you find someone who makes them "put up or shut up".

(01-07-2022 09:00 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 08:58 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  No need convincing here.

He was, I think, about 16 out of the 21 or so for me who were running in ‘16. I had him behind Fiourina FFS.

Yet, I thought he’d win it when in it. I voted for him to try and pleeeease avoid the cliff the Cank would clearly drive us off into regressive utopiaville.

Then he proved me wrong. Despite the headwinds of never ending lies, MSM 24/7 barrage of never ending “anonymous” stories (yes, stories) fake im-peeesh-mints and a 31/2 year colonoscopy that ended in schit on The Mulers face in front of the entire world, guess what?

He still got a lot of the job done.

But, yet, boy does that seem to frustrate a lot of people to this day.

Would I vote for him a third time if he’s the nominee?
Yes.

Would I prefer to see someone else competent be the nominee in ‘24?
Yes.


That’s all

This x 1,000

Yep. Yep. …..with a caveat. I don’t want no stinkin’ RINO like Romney getting the Republican nomination.

If it’s Trump, I’m in…..but think I might prefer another what I would consider as a strong Republican.