IMO, the biggest difference between 2016 and the runner up teams of 2017 and 2019 is the RB position. Had Kalid Abdullah not been a senior in 2016, JMU wins the 2017 title going away. We haven't had anyone hit the hole and be able to bounce it like him since. I'm still surprised he never really caught on at NFL level.

(04-15-2022 11:41 AM)jmu007 Wrote:  IMO, the biggest difference between 2016 and the runner up teams of 2017 and 2019 is the RB position. Had Kalid Abdullah not been a senior in 2016, JMU wins the 2017 title going away. We haven't had anyone hit the hole and be able to bounce it like him since. I'm still surprised he never really caught on at NFL level.

I very much agree, Abdullah was the reason why we were able to build our lead early in the game against NDSU giving us the cushion to hold on in 2016. That OLine and Khalid were a perfect combo. I always thought Percy had the chance to be the next closest thing to Khalid but unfortunately he’s been hurt the past 2 years. I just remember Percy in the 4th quarter going beast mode against SHSU in 2020. The Kats had bottled up our run game all day then in the last 10 minutes you see him getting chunk yardage runs on the outside.

Its a shame... Khalid dropped 5 passes on short out routes w the Giants ... and just like that, no NFL

Still the only guy ive ever seen on film that pivotted his hips in midair and hit the ground in a new direction

(05-04-2022 09:04 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

C'mon. That list is a joke. Rick Stockstill #3 in CUSA??? Charles Huff at #4??? He's in year 2!!!!

I think you might find that Cig could have the same problems Wilder did moving as a very successful FCS team to a solid FBS conference. But perhaps not. That's why we lace em up and play, right?

(05-05-2022 08:02 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 09:04 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

C'mon. That list is a joke. Rick Stockstill #3 in CUSA??? Charles Huff at #4??? He's in year 2!!!!

I think you might find that Cig could have the same problems Wilder did moving as a very successful FCS team to a solid FBS conference. But perhaps not. That's why we lace em up and play, right?

One big difference is Wilder had no P5 experience, except for one grad asst year. Cignetti had several years in 3 different p5 programs as position coach and recruiting coordinator (Alabama). I would also suggest JMU is closer to FBS in how they are managed and operate than Ole Dirty ever was before their move. But, like you said, he may have the same problems. We shall see, and I can’t wait for the season to start.

(05-05-2022 08:02 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 09:04 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

C'mon. That list is a joke. Rick Stockstill #3 in CUSA??? Charles Huff at #4??? He's in year 2!!!!

I think you might find that Cig could have the same problems Wilder did moving as a very successful FCS team to a solid FBS conference. But perhaps not. That's why we lace em up and play, right?

BigGameBoomer is a joke, he just makes stuff up looking for clicks. Nothing from him can be taken seriously.

Chip Kelly being ranked higher than David Shaw is a literal crime. Not sure what this person/site/clickbaiter is using as their metric, but they seem to be doing it wrong.

As Bill mentioned, BGB and their pseudo Sports Center logo just MSUs stuff.

Big Game Boomer doesn't have any methodology other than gut feeling or anecdote. The topics typically posted are typically subjective and qualitative topics like "nicest fanbases by conference". There are no survey parameters in the figure and there certainly isn't a dataset that fell from heaven that has objective data points on that topic, so at that point it's gut feeling based off of anecdote.

If they are using data such as winning percentages in this case, they should be including that in their figure descriptions if they care about best practices and truly educating people. Otherwise, I would just take the account as one person's opinion and do whatever you want with that.

Anyone can make a graphic and a sportslike name. ANYONE.

(05-05-2022 08:02 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  C'mon. That list is a joke. Rick Stockstill #3 in CUSA??? Charles Huff at #4??? He's in year 2!!!!

I think you might find that Cig could have the same problems Wilder did moving as a very successful FCS team to a solid FBS conference. But perhaps not. That's why we lace em up and play, right?

You really tiptoed into that post. You "think"...." Cig could have"...."but perhaps not."

I think HCCC will have more success, partially driven by him and partially driven by JMU as a whole.

Bobby had 5 years of HC experience before moving to FBS; HCCC has 10+ years.
Bobby had zero salaried FBS experience; HCCC has 20+ years.
Bobby's real success was when he had a future NFL QB taking snaps; HCCC has succeed at three programs as a HC.
Outside of those Heinicke years (and excluding 2009 and 2010 as I'm not looking into how many FBS/FCS teams ODU actually played those years), Bobby was 31-42 as a head coach (HCCC is 100-31, yes this is skewed and isn't directly relatable).

If Bobby and HCCC's records for the 5 years post transition are similar, I'd likely argue that its due to the SBC versus CUSA strength. The single year that a Heinicke less FBS ODU had success under Bobby (2016 10-3 record), the CUSA as a whole had an OOC record of ~14-36 excluding FCS games. I don't see the Sunbelt, and specifically the East where we will play most games, being close to a ~33% OOC win percentage.

(05-06-2022 11:19 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(05-05-2022 08:02 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  C'mon. That list is a joke. Rick Stockstill #3 in CUSA??? Charles Huff at #4??? He's in year 2!!!!

I think you might find that Cig could have the same problems Wilder did moving as a very successful FCS team to a solid FBS conference. But perhaps not. That's why we lace em up and play, right?

You really tiptoed into that post. You "think"...." Cig could have"...."but perhaps not."

I think HCCC will have more success, partially driven by him and partially driven by JMU as a whole.

Bobby had 5 years of HC experience before moving to FBS; HCCC has 10+ years.
Bobby had zero salaried FBS experience; HCCC has 20+ years.
Bobby's real success was when he had a future NFL QB taking snaps; HCCC has succeed at three programs as a HC.
Outside of those Heinicke years (and excluding 2009 and 2010 as I'm not looking into how many FBS/FCS teams ODU actually played those years), Bobby was 31-42 as a head coach (HCCC is 100-31, yes this is skewed and isn't directly relatable).

If Bobby and HCCC's records for the 5 years post transition are similar, I'd likely argue that its due to the SBC versus CUSA strength. The single year that a Heinicke less FBS ODU had success under Bobby (2016 10-3 record), the CUSA as a whole had an OOC record of ~14-36 excluding FCS games. I don't see the Sunbelt, and specifically the East where we will play most games, being close to a ~33% OOC win percentage.

In my opinion, ODU struggled because they left too early. I thought they should have taken more time in FCS to build a program. There's no doubt that going from FCS to FBS is going to have its challenges, but those challenges are even tougher when you only have a few years to go off of. Other schools have done it with less (USA), but they haven't really had it easy either.
We are more similar to Marshall and App State when they were moving up. They had established winning programs and had sustained success at the FCS level.
In our favor is the already increased scholarships. In that regard, we are WAY ahead of schools that were moving up (even App State and they did very well).
Lastly, I think Cignetti is the perfect guy to lead us in FBS. As others have said, he's been there. He learned a lot from his previous coaching jobs (especially at the FBS level). He knows exactly what it takes to win at the highest level. And he's a manager of people. He is very hands off in many regards and trusts that he has the right people in the right places which gives him time to do his job.
The best part is there will be no more speculating. We'll get to put our money where our mouth is and see where we fit in the FBS landscape (finally).

(05-06-2022 11:19 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(05-05-2022 08:02 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  C'mon. That list is a joke. Rick Stockstill #3 in CUSA??? Charles Huff at #4??? He's in year 2!!!!

I think you might find that Cig could have the same problems Wilder did moving as a very successful FCS team to a solid FBS conference. But perhaps not. That's why we lace em up and play, right?

You really tiptoed into that post. You "think"...." Cig could have"...."but perhaps not."

I think HCCC will have more success, partially driven by him and partially driven by JMU as a whole.

Bobby had 5 years of HC experience before moving to FBS; HCCC has 10+ years.
Bobby had zero salaried FBS experience; HCCC has 20+ years.
Bobby's real success was when he had a future NFL QB taking snaps; HCCC has succeed at three programs as a HC.
Outside of those Heinicke years (and excluding 2009 and 2010 as I'm not looking into how many FBS/FCS teams ODU actually played those years), Bobby was 31-42 as a head coach (HCCC is 100-31, yes this is skewed and isn't directly relatable).

If Bobby and HCCC's records for the 5 years post transition are similar, I'd likely argue that its due to the SBC versus CUSA strength. The single year that a Heinicke less FBS ODU had success under Bobby (2016 10-3 record), the CUSA as a whole had an OOC record of ~14-36 excluding FCS games. I don't see the Sunbelt, and specifically the East where we will play most games, being close to a ~33% OOC win percentage.

Good post.