Quote:Alec Baldwin is speaking out more about what happened on the set of “Rust”. According to the announcement article by ABC News,
Actor Alec Baldwin told ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos in an exclusive interview that he had “no idea” how a live bullet got onto the set of his film, “Rust,” but that he “didn’t pull the trigger” on the firearm that killed one person and wounded another.
“I would never point a gun at anyone and pull the trigger at them, never,” Baldwin told Stephanopoulos in an upcoming interview that will air tonight.
I get the emotion of Mr. Baldwin’s statements. I don’t believe he meant to shoot anyone, and I believe the incident was an accident. But the events of October 21st in New Mexico clearly say otherwise with regards to his new assertion that he didn’t cause the gun to fire.
I do agree that several other contributing factors remain questions of the investigation. How did a live round get on the set of the “Rust” movie production? How that piece of ammunition meandered its way through the checks and balances procedures of the entertainment industry to get into the chamber of the gun in Baldwin’s hands in the moment he fired the fatal shot that ended the life of Halyna Hutchins, and wounded Joel Souza remains shrouded in the police investigation. That’s more of a matter about how the management system of the “Rust” production company was or was not up to proper standards.
But the fact remains that somehow, the chain of failures did happen. There is also no doubt that at the final moment of the chain of failure, whatever Baldwin was doing to manipulate the firearm in his hand were indeed actions that caused its firing pin to strike the primer of a live round as the single-action revolver was pointed at something Mr. Baldwin did not intend to destroy. He was, in that moment, the final contributing failure in the chain of events that ended in a terrible workplace tragedy.
I’ve been around firearms for a long time and I’ve heard claims like this more than a few times. “I don’t know how it happened. I don’t remember doing anything wrong. The gun just went off.”
I’ve heard it most surrounding tension-filled circumstances where guns were drawn and pointed at people, and somehow, someone’s finger found its way onto the trigger with enough pressure to activate it and discharge the firearm, often to the surprise and dismay of the person holding the weapon.
That’s kind of the thing about negligent discharge incidents. The person never suspects that they are doing something wrong until it happens. And it is often difficult for them to accept that their actions played a part in the chain of events that led up to the accident.
The sequence of safety failures may be a complex chain of events, but each link in the chain is an avoidable failure. Alec Baldwin’s final action was one of those failure steps. Like all other industrial accidents, it would not have occurred if just one person in the complex sequence of failures had not made their individual contributing mistake.
Antique Weapons Have Peculiarities
So, what mistake do I think Alec Baldwin could have made in that moment? For arguments sake, let’s take it a face value that he didn’t consciously press the trigger of the firearm he had in his hand. Could he really have unconsciously released it? The answer is yes.
The firearm in Mr. Baldwin’s possession that day was a single action revolver. As the accompanying video explains, this type of firearm appeared in the mid-19th century. The design of the system is an early one in the evolution of repeating firearms. In the hands of someone using it in a manner it was not designed to be, it is known to be able to fire a manner where a user might think he or she hadn’t “pulled the trigger” when in fact they had indeed already inadvertently bypassed the fire control function of the trigger and its sear.
A single-action revolver shooting technique called “fanning the hammer” does exist. The technique involves bypassing the trigger by holding the handgun in a manner that the trigger is already pressed. The shooter then “fans” the hammer by pulling it back and letting it go manually. On this type of revolver, the action will rotate the cylinder bringing a new chamber that might contain a live round into the battery. When the hammer is released, it drops the firing pin onto whatever is in the chamber. If there is a live round in it, it will set off the primer thus firing the gun.
Quickdraw trick shooters use this technique to draw and fire these single-action revolvers at sub-second speeds.
I made this YouTube video to explain the technique.
If Mr. Baldwin was using a similar technique to manipulate what he thought was a “cold gun” in his hands on that fateful day for theatrical imagery reasons, each time he “fanned the hammer,” he would have been advancing the cylinder with the live round in it one step closer to igniting. With a six-shot single action revolver, you can get lucky a maximum of five times before you’ve dropped the hammer on every chamber in the firearm.
Alec Baldwin didn’t have to consciously “pull the trigger” to fire the gun in his hand. He may have already activated it because he could have already been holding and operating it a fashion where the trigger had already been pressed.
Violations of Industry Policy and Procedure
As noted in my colleague Nick Arama’s breaking news article, “Alec Baldwin Makes Stunning Claim About the Shooting on ‘Rust’ Movie Set”, Baldwin is separately facing a lawsuit by “Rust” script supervisor Mamie Mitchell that his action to **** and fire the revolver was not part of the script.
Such deviations from the plan are frowned upon in the entertainment industry because they are known pathways to industrial accidents. This was noted in my hour-long video interview with experienced Hollywood armorer Clay Van Sickle published on November 10 on Red State, “EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: ‘Top Shot’ Armorer Discusses ‘Rust’ Shooting and Alec Baldwin’s Police Proposal”.
In the industry, even tiny changes to danger-laden production elements such as those involving firearms and physical stunts are supposed to be carefully worked through by a team of professionals who examine the details of the proposed changes and mitigate the risks. According to Van Sickle, in the ideal, there should be no ad hoc when it comes to such matters. Mitchell’s legal complaint is consistent with this.
The fact remains that Mr. Baldwin was not just an actor working for the film, but also a producer with responsibilities pertaining to the proper management of the film. We’ll see how that question of responsibility and culpability comes up when the interview airs.
Baldwin is just trying to make himself the victim.
yeah, he's a pos sig line 4.... however, that changes nothing relative to OSHA responsibilities - vis-a-vis - #ineptAgency
it sickens me why ya focus on the dick at times....apparently, it's your job...
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Quote:As we reported yesterday, Alec Baldwin claimed he did not pull the trigger in the shooting on the set of “Rust,” which resulted in the killing of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and the wounding of director Joel Souza.
Baldwin did an interview with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos that’s supposed to broadcast in full Thursday night. But in a clip that was released yesterday, he said, “The trigger wasn’t pulled. I didn’t pull the trigger.” He then continued, “No, no, no, no, I would never point a gun at anyone and pull the trigger. Never.”
But yet, he obviously did point the weapon at someone — or they would not have been shot.
Santa Fe Sheriff Adan Mendoza, who is heading up the investigation on the case, pooh-poohed Baldwin’s claim about not pulling the trigger on the gun.
“Guns don’t just go off,” Sheriff Adan Mendoza told Fox News Digital. “So whatever needs to happen to manipulate the firearm, he did that and it was in his hands.”
The Sheriff’s department said the FBI was looking into the actions necessary to how the gun could have fired — including whether it could have fired without pulling the trigger.
My colleague Dennis Santiago explained in his story earlier today how Baldwin could possibly have been holding or operating it where the trigger was already pressed, so that he didn’t have to consciously “pull the trigger” to fire the gun in his hand.
Now, I don’t necessarily believe anything Baldwin has to say at this point, because he knows he’s in big trouble here. But even if he thought he was telling the truth, it wouldn’t help him much, since whatever action he did caused it to fire, and it was in his hands pointed at Hutchins and Souza. He violated that basic principle — never point a gun at anyone.
The script supervisor said Baldwin intentionally fired the gun, when it wasn’t even in the script.
The armorer Hannah Reed suggested that the hammer had been cocked back. “We had the gun the whole time before that and nothing happened, and I wasn’t in there, and they weren’t even supposed to be pulling the hammer back,” she said.
There were also all the alleged safety questions, which Baldwin — as a producer — should have been aware of, and for which he ultimately could be held responsible including the prior accidental discharges involving Baldwin’s body double. There was no investigation into those accidental discharges, according to the report, and that could be a problem for Baldwin. There were also the claims that people on the set were firing live ammo during breaks with the guns, including on the morning of the shooting.
Baldwin’s statements don’t help him, and he’s locking himself legally into those statements — when he’s going to face multiple suits and possibly criminal charges.
I'll be honest, I have no idea what procedures are supposed to be on sets. Judging by all that have commented publically, it seems that there is no uniform procedures.
Quote:LOS ANGELES (NewsNation Now) — A criminal defense attorney to the stars says that Alec Baldwin’s first TV interview since the “Rust” set shooting doesn’t do “any good whatsoever” in either a criminal or civil determination.
“If you are famous, and you have people around you who are telling you whatever you want to hear and you’re in the midst of this storm, somebody needs to step up and just say, ‘Sit down, shut up and let me handle this,'” criminal defense lawyer Mark Geragos said on “Banfield.” “Because this move, while it might make you feel better … it may galvanize the very polarized positions. It doesn’t do you any good.”
Baldwin, in an ABC interview with George Stephanopoulos that aired Thursday night, said it is essential for investigators to find out who put the bullet in the gun he fired, that was supposed to be empty, that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza.
Baldwin said in a clip from the interview released a day earlier that “I didn’t pull the trigger. I would never point a gun at anyone and pull the trigger at them. Never.”
“From a criminal defense standpoint, the idea of I’m not pulling the trigger, but I didn’t check it. It’s somebody else’s fault. That doesn’t fly,” Geragos said. “We’re not talking about an intentional act, we’re talking about a negligent act.”
Baldwin said it was Hutchins herself who asked him to point the gun just off camera and toward her armpit before it went off.
“There’s a subtle amount of this that is victim blaming, meaning you’re saying, ‘I was doing what the cinematographer was telling me,'” Geragos said. “Well, the cinematographer certainly didn’t tell you not to check the gun. So that doesn’t help.”
Baldwin said at Hutchins’ direction, he pulled the hammer back.
“I let go of the hammer and ‘bang’ the gun goes off,” he said.
“Then, you’ve already admitted that you pulled it back or you cocked the un. And all that does is get, you have a hammer, all that does is get you into trouble with civil liability,” Geragos said.
“Someone is responsible for what happened, and I can’t say who that is, but it’s not me,” Baldwin said. “Honest to God, if I felt I was responsible, I might have killed myself.”
Baldwin said he was doing the interview to counter public misconceptions about the shooting and to make it clear that “I would go to any lengths to undo what happened.”
But Baldwin said, “I want to make sure that I don’t come across like I’m the victim because we have two victims here.”
(12-02-2021 08:56 PM)fsquid Wrote: I'll be honest, I have no idea what procedures are supposed to be on sets. Judging by all that have commented publically, it seems that there is no uniform procedures.
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Movie set or not, you hand me a firearm, whether it be a starting pistol or a prop without a firing pin, or an actual firearm, I'm going to treat it as a live gun and follow certain rules. He'd have known that if he took the time to educate himself rather than being a self-centered POS. No matter what the protocol is, at the end of the day he pointed, she died, blood is on his hands.
(12-01-2021 04:27 PM)Bill Wrote: Not that I'm defending him, but there is a possibility that whomever handed him the gun pulled the trigger (perhaps to prove the gun was empty, even though it was not) and the gun 'hangfired' which is when the gunpowder, usually due to poor quality, doesn't ignite until up to 30-40 seconds later.
Colt single actions don't have a transfer bar safety. As rare as a hang fire is it is more likely that if the trigger wasn't pulled the hammer was being cocked and slipped forward and struck the primer. The half **** notch is worn down and doesn't catch the hammer if it is moving forward with force on slicked up a lot of fan fire / slicked up race guns.
I don't know if they have released the details on the gun (do the safety notch and half **** notch work), how many holes were loaded (5 or 6), etc but that will have a lot to do with what happened if the gun wasn't manually cocked and the trigger pulled. If the gun was loaded with 6 and the firing pin was sitting on the primer of a live round almost any bump to the gun could have set it off.
Plenty of 1873 Colt SAA clones have transfer bars. Do you know exactly what the gun in question is? I seriously doubt it is an antique Colt. More than likely a modern clone, which could kill your theory, depending on which one was actually used.
On top of that, who gives a damn about your argument? You're just trying to defend Baldwin. If you know so much about transfer bars and such, then I assume you also know the 4 rules of gun safety, right?
And you realize that Baldwin likely violated all 4, right? Whether the gun somehow fired itself or not, the idiot should have cleared the gun first, no matter what anybody told him.
Also, nobody calls them "holes." They're chambers.
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(12-01-2021 04:27 PM)Bill Wrote: Not that I'm defending him, but there is a possibility that whomever handed him the gun pulled the trigger (perhaps to prove the gun was empty, even though it was not) and the gun 'hangfired' which is when the gunpowder, usually due to poor quality, doesn't ignite until up to 30-40 seconds later.
Colt single actions don't have a transfer bar safety. As rare as a hang fire is it is more likely that if the trigger wasn't pulled the hammer was being cocked and slipped forward and struck the primer. The half **** notch is worn down and doesn't catch the hammer if it is moving forward with force on slicked up a lot of fan fire / slicked up race guns.
I don't know if they have released the details on the gun (do the safety notch and half **** notch work), how many holes were loaded (5 or 6), etc but that will have a lot to do with what happened if the gun wasn't manually cocked and the trigger pulled. If the gun was loaded with 6 and the firing pin was sitting on the primer of a live round almost any bump to the gun could have set it off.
BS
How much experience do you have with antique colt single action revolvers?
You load 5 and put the hammer down on an empty chamber for a reason. The hammer mounted firing pin is ridding on the primer if you load 6 and put the hammer down, or if you leave it 1/4 cocked the only thing between the gun and going off is the tiny sear that is normally worn down in slicked up cowboy action guns that are set up to fan fire.
Any kinetic impact to the hammer is carried directly to the firing pin and primer if you put the hammer down on a live round.
Isn’t this only an issue with guns from 60 plus years ago? Why didn’t he check the load? Why was he pointing it at someone? This ass needs to go to prison for negligence
To me Baldwin hurt his case not helped. I've never liked him, but three things struck me as cold and uncaring:
1) He says he feels no guilt because he isn't responsible.
2) He thought the lady had just fainted I didn't know until 45 minutes later she was shot. So, the arrogant SOB just walked away after the gun went off not checking on her.
3) He says the cinematographer told him how to hold the gun and where to point it so it's her fault she got shot.
If charges are brought, I think he'll be convicted and hopefully due jail time.
This is what happens when you put live round guns in the hands of anti-gun activists. They have no clue what they are doing. Proving that guns don't kill people. Ignorant people do.
(12-04-2021 01:36 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: To me Baldwin hurt his case not helped. I've never liked him, but three things struck me as cold and uncaring:
1) He says he feels no guilt because he isn't responsible.
2) He thought the lady had just fainted I didn't know until 45 minutes later she was shot. So, the arrogant SOB just walked away after the gun went off not checking on her.
3) He says the cinematographer told him how to hold the gun and where to point it so it's her fault she got shot.
If charges are brought, I think he'll be convicted and hopefully due jail time.
We can only hope, but while all animals are created equal, some are more equal than others.
You and I would possibly face jail time (not that we'd be idiots and firing guns at people in the first place), but Hollyweird elites live under a different set of rules.
If criminal charges are brought, let's be honest, he'll be acquitted. The lawyers he can hire will spin the prosecutors around like a top. Get him civilly.
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