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Parents are the problem
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/sc...cna1284185

"Teaching, too, is a science. Unless they’re licensed and certified, parents aren’t qualified to make decisions about curricula. In fact, parental interference can actually hinder student advancement. An educator’s primary goal is to teach students to think. Parents who attempt to influence curricula with their personal opinions, ideologies and biases hinder that goal."

One persons opinion that had not gone public due to being unpopular. Now losing the political edge on this topic they've gone public.

Wait, Terry McAuliffe went public with his personal and previously closely held thought. So that's two people.

I've been both licensed and certified for close to a decade. It means little. No one should know more about their child than the parent. And in reality that's true.

Teachers too have personal opinions, ideologies and biases. But as in this piece and from the mouth of McAuliffe unions, teachers and administrators are superior. Why? Pride, power and money.

I will admit from observing the last 40+ years that too many parents were in absentia. It had little to do with education and more with their own priorities like wealth accumulation. With Covid the latter was paused and the former was placed front and center with a dramatic shift in roles. It was a needed wake up call in my opinion.

But really the point here is who should and does generally know best? And in those 40+ years of a growing absence it's clear who filled that void with their own opinions, ideologies and bias. And they don't want to let your child go. Or at least their candidates, union bosses and mainstream media pundits.
11-20-2021 11:10 PM
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McAuliffe was right. I don't want parental mobs determining what children are taught in schools. If they want to influence curriculum, do it at the ballot box in elections for school board members, like normal people in normal societies do. Not by storming board meetings while frothing at the mouth.

McAuliffe's big mistake was being too honest in Virginia, a state with voters susceptible to racist messaging in the context of schools. See: Massive Resistance.
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(11-21-2021 11:10 AM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  McAuliffe was right. I don't want parental mobs determining what children are taught in schools. If they want to influence curriculum, do it at the ballot box in elections for school board members, like normal people in normal societies do. Not by storming board meetings while frothing at the mouth.

McAuliffe's big mistake was being too honest in Virginia, a state with voters susceptible to racist messaging in the context of schools. See: Massive Resistance.

The truth will set you free. Thank you Terry.

“Mobs” of Mom and Dad were a result of school board officials not being honest or transparent and being elitist in their approach. School board members were elected and it would be assumed they would do their job until they didn’t. They were caught in their lies and coverups.

Speaking of one’s mind at school board meetings pertaining to the mental health and welfare of your children is far less threatening, disruptive and harmful than rioting, looting and burning buildings. See Portland, see Seattle, see Minneapolis and see Kenosha as just tips of the iceberg.
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Dear Cucumber Salad,
I would disagree with your "Moms and Dads" comment. Their attacking school board members has nothing to do with transparency, but being whipped up by right wing statements that have little validity in what is actually being taught in schools. It also, in my opinion, has to do with the example of former President Trump. Attack your opponents with false statements, call people liars, etc., and then you may get the results that you seek.
11-24-2021 11:43 AM
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(11-24-2021 11:43 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Cucumber Salad,
I would disagree with your "Moms and Dads" comment. Their attacking school board members has nothing to do with transparency, but being whipped up by right wing statements that have little validity in what is actually being taught in schools. It also, in my opinion, has to do with the example of former President Trump. Attack your opponents with false statements, call people liars, etc., and then you may get the results that you seek.

Source with evidence?
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Dear Cucumber Salad,
My sources are as I stated. Watching President Trump for four years and his attack verbally of anyone who disagreed with him or his positions.
Watching segments of school board meetings with parents almost foaming at the mouth with so much anger over a topic that wasn't even being taught. Screaming at board members about what might come about in their schools.
This has all been covered in newspapers, television, radio, etc.
11-24-2021 05:15 PM
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(11-24-2021 02:50 PM)Cucumber Salad Wrote:  Source with evidence?

Reality
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Parents are the problem! Bad parents.

More importantly, good parenting is the solution.
11-26-2021 01:41 PM
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(11-26-2021 01:41 PM)bostonbronco Wrote:  Parents are the problem! Bad parents.

More importantly, good parenting is the solution.

Yes, and yes.

Unfortunately so many kids come from single-parent homes.

Not that a single parent can't do the job because many can.

Even in 1980s divorce rate in USA was ~50%.

And that does not include kids who were born to unmarried parents.

Then, or now.

Just odds are not in their favor-tougher job.

So of course biological parents can be "a" (not necessarily "the") problem.

Heck there are kids who come from great homes-parents who go sideways.
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Sincere parental love for their children is the only answer and guiding light necessary.
11-26-2021 03:33 PM
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(11-24-2021 05:15 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Cucumber Salad,
My sources are as I stated. Watching President Trump for four years and his attack verbally of anyone who disagreed with him or his positions.
Watching segments of school board meetings with parents almost foaming at the mouth with so much anger over a topic that wasn't even being taught. Screaming at board members about what might come about in their schools.
This has all been covered in newspapers, television, radio, etc.

Ken, are you saying CRT hasn’t found it’s way into the classroom?
11-27-2021 01:59 PM
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(11-27-2021 01:59 PM)Cucumber Salad Wrote:  Ken, are you saying CRT hasn’t found it’s way into the classroom?

It hasn't. And if schools are indeed teaching the true history of slavery in America, which is really what CRT is, then good for them.
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(11-23-2021 11:30 PM)Cucumber Salad Wrote:  
(11-21-2021 11:10 AM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  McAuliffe was right. I don't want parental mobs determining what children are taught in schools. If they want to influence curriculum, do it at the ballot box in elections for school board members, like normal people in normal societies do. Not by storming board meetings while frothing at the mouth.

McAuliffe's big mistake was being too honest in Virginia, a state with voters susceptible to racist messaging in the context of schools. See: Massive Resistance.

The truth will set you free. Thank you Terry.

“Mobs” of Mom and Dad were a result of school board officials not being honest or transparent and being elitist in their approach. School board members were elected and it would be assumed they would do their job until they didn’t. They were caught in their lies and coverups.

Speaking of one’s mind at school board meetings pertaining to the mental health and welfare of your children is far less threatening, disruptive and harmful than rioting, looting and burning buildings. See Portland, see Seattle, see Minneapolis and see Kenosha as just tips of the iceberg.

(11-27-2021 01:59 PM)Cucumber Salad Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 05:15 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Cucumber Salad,
My sources are as I stated. Watching President Trump for four years and his attack verbally of anyone who disagreed with him or his positions.
Watching segments of school board meetings with parents almost foaming at the mouth with so much anger over a topic that wasn't even being taught. Screaming at board members about what might come about in their schools.
This has all been covered in newspapers, television, radio, etc.

Ken, are you saying CRT hasn’t found it’s way into the classroom?

https://justthenews.com/nation/states/de...-teach-crt
The Detroit Public Schools superintendent almost brags about the fact that they teach CRT.
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The subject of a thread should explain what the conversation is about, that way they don't become a meandering series of grievances and counter grievances.
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Ultimately, school districts exist for the students, and the parents who choose to send their children to those school districts. If they do not exist for student and parents, then they are just collecting tax dollars to serve themselves.

Unfortunately, modes of political dialog in this country have descended into "I'm right! You're wrong!" shouting matches with neither side of the political aisle on a moral high ground.

The outrageous and disrespectful actions have seen from parents in some school board meetings are no worse, or better, than similar actions (demands?!) from leftist organizations in our streets, schools and city halls. The 2020 BLM insurrection riots are a prime example.

America is a republic that requires respectful dialog and compromise. We are not an autocratic tyranny, despite the wishes of extremist nuts on both the right and left.
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(11-30-2021 07:52 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  
(11-23-2021 11:30 PM)Cucumber Salad Wrote:  
(11-21-2021 11:10 AM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  McAuliffe was right. I don't want parental mobs determining what children are taught in schools. If they want to influence curriculum, do it at the ballot box in elections for school board members, like normal people in normal societies do. Not by storming board meetings while frothing at the mouth.

McAuliffe's big mistake was being too honest in Virginia, a state with voters susceptible to racist messaging in the context of schools. See: Massive Resistance.

The truth will set you free. Thank you Terry.

“Mobs” of Mom and Dad were a result of school board officials not being honest or transparent and being elitist in their approach. School board members were elected and it would be assumed they would do their job until they didn’t. They were caught in their lies and coverups.

Speaking of one’s mind at school board meetings pertaining to the mental health and welfare of your children is far less threatening, disruptive and harmful than rioting, looting and burning buildings. See Portland, see Seattle, see Minneapolis and see Kenosha as just tips of the iceberg.

(11-27-2021 01:59 PM)Cucumber Salad Wrote:  
(11-24-2021 05:15 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Cucumber Salad,
My sources are as I stated. Watching President Trump for four years and his attack verbally of anyone who disagreed with him or his positions.
Watching segments of school board meetings with parents almost foaming at the mouth with so much anger over a topic that wasn't even being taught. Screaming at board members about what might come about in their schools.
This has all been covered in newspapers, television, radio, etc.

Ken, are you saying CRT hasn’t found it’s way into the classroom?

https://justthenews.com/nation/states/de...-teach-crt
The Detroit Public Schools superintendent almost brags about the fact that they teach CRT.

It's no surprise we throw more money per pupil at DPS than anywhere else and they continue to pump out illiterate drop outs. They care more about this crap than teaching reading, writing, and math.
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Bill Maher accurately defines the real reason the Democrats got blasted in Virginia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrOCUVJn...rt_radio=1
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The father of the Oxford HS shooter reportedly bought the Semi-Automatic 9mm gun used in Tuesday's shootings-killings last Friday.

When he saw his 15-year old son (the shooter) in custody afterward told him not to talk to law enforcement, invoke Fifth Amendment rights.

Good parenting right there.
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(12-01-2021 02:47 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  The father of the Oxford HS shooter reportedly bought the Semi-Automatic 9mm gun used in Tuesday's shootings-killings last Friday.

When he saw his 15-year old son (the shooter) in custody afterward told him not to talk to law enforcement, invoke Fifth Amendment rights.

Good parenting right there.

He should have had the gun locked-up, or out of the house, with no way for the kid to get to it. Obviously, that didn't happen, or if it did, the father gave permission to access the gun. Equally irresponsible.
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(12-01-2021 03:04 PM)GullLake Wrote:  
(12-01-2021 02:47 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  The father of the Oxford HS shooter reportedly bought the Semi-Automatic 9mm gun used in Tuesday's shootings-killings last Friday.

When he saw his 15-year old son (the shooter) in custody afterward told him not to talk to law enforcement, invoke Fifth Amendment rights.

Good parenting right there.

He should have had the gun locked-up, or out of the house, with no way for the kid to get to it. Obviously, that didn't happen, or if it did, the father gave permission to access the gun. Equally irresponsible.

Based on social media posts from the kid and the mother, the gun was his christmas prresent.
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