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UNCW statements on JMU hypocrites
JMU thinks way to highly of themselves. Couldn't be happier they've moved on. And their hypocrisy, whining and threats on the way out makes me like them less than I thought possible.

https://www.starnewsonline.com/story/spo...359023001/

"But on the way out of the CAA, the Dukes created a mess for themselves, and those they are leaving behind weren't interested in helping clean it up."

"That bylaw was used on previous programs that left the CAA. East Carolina, Navy, American, Georgia State, Old Dominion, George Mason, VCU. No one was exempt.
So it went for JMU last week. The Dukes’ teams, too, would be ineligible to be called a conference champion, or use the league’s automatic bid in an NCAA tournament."

“When they came and asked us to vote, they didn’t even mention any students whatsoever. None. Zero. There was no concern,” he said. He hoped that JMU had told its athletes directly about the repercussions, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
He later added: “I can tell you, it’s just an unfortunate situation where people make decisions and they think they don’t have any consequence.”

“From an athletic director standpoint, there’s no move afoot. Obviously, the structure: the chancellors and presidents run the league now. The athletic directors provide all the information and research at the chancellors’ and presidents’ requests,” Bass said. “I’m not aware of any movement to take any action and change things.”
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I read the article and it was wrong when JMU voted with other schools to ban teams from playing for championships and it's still wrong right now . Grown men with egos as big as the all outdoors making decisions based on hurt feelings is about as petty as it gets .
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It's a dumb rule
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It .at be a dumb rule, but JMU has always supported the rule. Now it comes back to bite them in the arse. Looks like a large dose of karma to me.
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It isn't a dumb rule, it isn't about egos and it isn't petty. Conference championships are about more than winning the conference, they're about representation of the conference in the NCAA tournament. If a university makes a decision to move to another conference, they have that right. At that point, they are making it clear that their priorities no longer align with the CAA and they are operating in their own self interests to move on. Again, no problem with that decision. But with that decision made, they no longer represent that conference, and therefore should not have the opportunity to represent that conference in the NCAA tournament. Period.

They are prevented from playing games. They aren't prevented from earning an at large bid. They are only prevented from representing the CAA in the NCAA tournament. What's petty, childish and egotistic is the idea that a school can make moves in their own self interest, then expect a conference with nine other schools to act against their self interests. It isn't punishment to expect that the NCAA representative from the CAA is actually a representative of the CAA, anymore than to believe that JMU is punishing the CAA by leaving. Both parties are acting in their self interest. Punishment isn't part of the equation and it's childish to view it in that manner. The rule is in place for a logical and rational reason.
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Agree with you all, it is a dumb rule. But, it was enforced just as it was in the past. I never really had any distain for their fanbase until this situation. They are wayyyyyy out of touch and acting like entitled, spoiled idiots!
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(11-11-2021 06:42 AM)82hawk Wrote:  It isn't a dumb rule, it isn't about egos and it isn't petty. Conference championships are about more than winning the conference, they're about representation of the conference in the NCAA tournament. If a university makes a decision to move to another conference, they have that right. At that point, they are making it clear that their priorities no longer align with the CAA and they are operating in their own self interests to move on. Again, no problem with that decision. But with that decision made, they no longer represent that conference, and therefore should not have the opportunity to represent that conference in the NCAA tournament. Period.

They are prevented from playing games. They aren't prevented from earning an at large bid. They are only prevented from representing the CAA in the NCAA tournament. What's petty, childish and egotistic is the idea that a school can make moves in their own self interest, then expect a conference with nine other schools to act against their self interests. It isn't punishment to expect that the NCAA representative from the CAA is actually a representative of the CAA, anymore than to believe that JMU is punishing the CAA by leaving. Both parties are acting in their self interest. Punishment isn't part of the equation and it's childish to view it in that manner. The rule is in place for a logical and rational reason.

Thinking like this is exactly why the CAA is in a tough spot right now . We are talking about athletes playing games who don't have a voice in this but the admins at these schools are b hurt and strike back the only way they know by punishing the kids who play the sports . It is just a joke to even attempt to defend something this stupid with words that mean nothing . I am not a Jay Bilas fan at all but he nailed this to the wall .
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(11-11-2021 08:24 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-11-2021 06:42 AM)82hawk Wrote:  It isn't a dumb rule, it isn't about egos and it isn't petty. Conference championships are about more than winning the conference, they're about representation of the conference in the NCAA tournament. If a university makes a decision to move to another conference, they have that right. At that point, they are making it clear that their priorities no longer align with the CAA and they are operating in their own self interests to move on. Again, no problem with that decision. But with that decision made, they no longer represent that conference, and therefore should not have the opportunity to represent that conference in the NCAA tournament. Period.

They are prevented from playing games. They aren't prevented from earning an at large bid. They are only prevented from representing the CAA in the NCAA tournament. What's petty, childish and egotistic is the idea that a school can make moves in their own self interest, then expect a conference with nine other schools to act against their self interests. It isn't punishment to expect that the NCAA representative from the CAA is actually a representative of the CAA, anymore than to believe that JMU is punishing the CAA by leaving. Both parties are acting in their self interest. Punishment isn't part of the equation and it's childish to view it in that manner. The rule is in place for a logical and rational reason.

Thinking like this is exactly why the CAA is in a tough spot right now . We are talking about athletes playing games who don't have a voice in this but the admins at these schools are b hurt and strike back the only way they know by punishing the kids who play the sports . It is just a joke to even attempt to defend something this stupid with words that mean nothing . I am not a Jay Bilas fan at all but he nailed this to the wall .
Well, given the writing has been on the wall for them for several years, maybe it would have been a good idea to discuss this "rule" well in advance in attempt to get it changed? I don't agree with it, but they are no different and it was applied the same as it was to other departures.
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(11-11-2021 08:42 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-11-2021 08:24 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-11-2021 06:42 AM)82hawk Wrote:  It isn't a dumb rule, it isn't about egos and it isn't petty. Conference championships are about more than winning the conference, they're about representation of the conference in the NCAA tournament. If a university makes a decision to move to another conference, they have that right. At that point, they are making it clear that their priorities no longer align with the CAA and they are operating in their own self interests to move on. Again, no problem with that decision. But with that decision made, they no longer represent that conference, and therefore should not have the opportunity to represent that conference in the NCAA tournament. Period.

They are prevented from playing games. They aren't prevented from earning an at large bid. They are only prevented from representing the CAA in the NCAA tournament. What's petty, childish and egotistic is the idea that a school can make moves in their own self interest, then expect a conference with nine other schools to act against their self interests. It isn't punishment to expect that the NCAA representative from the CAA is actually a representative of the CAA, anymore than to believe that JMU is punishing the CAA by leaving. Both parties are acting in their self interest. Punishment isn't part of the equation and it's childish to view it in that manner. The rule is in place for a logical and rational reason.

Thinking like this is exactly why the CAA is in a tough spot right now . We are talking about athletes playing games who don't have a voice in this but the admins at these schools are b hurt and strike back the only way they know by punishing the kids who play the sports . It is just a joke to even attempt to defend something this stupid with words that mean nothing . I am not a Jay Bilas fan at all but he nailed this to the wall .
Well, given the writing has been on the wall for them for several years, maybe it would have been a good idea to discuss this "rule" well in advance in attempt to get it changed? I don't agree with it, but they are no different and it was applied the same as it was to other departures.
We all understand that but it does not change the fact that it is grownups acting like brats . I have no clue how a person can vote to take this away from the players who actually play the games . No different than the kid who takes his ball and goes home when things don't go their way . The grownups had a chance to do the right thing but voted against the kids-nice .
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(11-11-2021 09:01 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-11-2021 08:42 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-11-2021 08:24 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-11-2021 06:42 AM)82hawk Wrote:  It isn't a dumb rule, it isn't about egos and it isn't petty. Conference championships are about more than winning the conference, they're about representation of the conference in the NCAA tournament. If a university makes a decision to move to another conference, they have that right. At that point, they are making it clear that their priorities no longer align with the CAA and they are operating in their own self interests to move on. Again, no problem with that decision. But with that decision made, they no longer represent that conference, and therefore should not have the opportunity to represent that conference in the NCAA tournament. Period.

They are prevented from playing games. They aren't prevented from earning an at large bid. They are only prevented from representing the CAA in the NCAA tournament. What's petty, childish and egotistic is the idea that a school can make moves in their own self interest, then expect a conference with nine other schools to act against their self interests. It isn't punishment to expect that the NCAA representative from the CAA is actually a representative of the CAA, anymore than to believe that JMU is punishing the CAA by leaving. Both parties are acting in their self interest. Punishment isn't part of the equation and it's childish to view it in that manner. The rule is in place for a logical and rational reason.

Thinking like this is exactly why the CAA is in a tough spot right now . We are talking about athletes playing games who don't have a voice in this but the admins at these schools are b hurt and strike back the only way they know by punishing the kids who play the sports . It is just a joke to even attempt to defend something this stupid with words that mean nothing . I am not a Jay Bilas fan at all but he nailed this to the wall .
Well, given the writing has been on the wall for them for several years, maybe it would have been a good idea to discuss this "rule" well in advance in attempt to get it changed? I don't agree with it, but they are no different and it was applied the same as it was to other departures.
We all understand that but it does not change the fact that it is grownups acting like brats . I have no clue how a person can vote to take this away from the players who actually play the games . No different than the kid who takes his ball and goes home when things don't go their way . The grownups had a chance to do the right thing but voted against the kids-nice .
I don't agree at all. Again, it is a stupid rule. But it was enforced to the letter. JMU is no different than ODU, GMU, VCU who all had to deal with it when they left. The right thing would be to change the rule long before someone leaves. But, they didn't. With the rule still on the books you can't just selectively choose to deem JMU exempt from it.
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Glad JMU admin didnt just do this to other schools, like say oklahoma state. Those poor kids. With how long investigations etc take, the offenders will never be punished, it will always be the kids after that didnt do anything that get punished. It is not new, and i dont see it changing. It is hard to punish a program without punishing innocent kids, in general.
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I wonder if JMU would continue to have these sour grapes if they didn't expect their teams to compete for championships this year. Their dominant women's team has missed the NCAA Tournament 5 straight years and their men's team the past 8 years and 35 out of 37. Now both teams are expected to finish toward the top of the CAA this year, so of course it will piss them off that they're disqualified.

There's more to being a college athlete than the automatic NCAA bid. They still get to play their season, so I don't consider it a bad rule, nor do I think they're getting screwed. JMU's admin should have been more transparent about the rule, and recruits should have known and had the option to not attend JMU if this ban was going to be such a burden for them.
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When this rule was enforced before no one (outside of the institution being penalized) said a peep. What has changed in the world is that a whole host of rules that put the institution before the athletes have been, and are being, changed or waived - as they should be.

So JMU, the institution, doesn't have much to b*tch about, but players everywhere are justifiably asking "WTF???".

Here's a great write-up:

Write up by Dan Crain from "Always a Dragon" re: JMU situation


Not allowing the athletes to compete because of a move their administration is making doesn’t just feel unjust – it is unjust. And this is generally what the news media (aided by what must be said is an awful lot of anonymous quotes from Harrisonburg – we’ll get to that) is running with. It’s a bad rule and when the conference commissioner, Joe D’Antonio comes out with this quote: “It’s not my job to determine whether it makes sense or doesn’t make sense. It’s my job to make sure the bylaws are enforced as they are written.” It becomes clear that even the enforcement agent doesn’t stand behind it. It’s a bad rule, and it should be removed from the CAA Bylaws by the university presidents who have the power to do so.

Note how "Joey D" threw the schools he worked for under the bus. Interesting...
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(11-11-2021 09:38 AM)70shawk Wrote:  When this rule was enforced before no one (outside of the institution being penalized) said a peep. What has changed in the world is that a whole host of rules that put the institution before the athletes have been, and are being, changed or waived - as they should be.

So JMU, the institution, doesn't have much to b*tch about, but players everywhere are justifiably asking "WTF???".

Here's a great write-up:

Write up by Dan Crain from "Always a Dragon" re: JMU situation


Not allowing the athletes to compete because of a move their administration is making doesn’t just feel unjust – it is unjust. And this is generally what the news media (aided by what must be said is an awful lot of anonymous quotes from Harrisonburg – we’ll get to that) is running with. It’s a bad rule and when the conference commissioner, Joe D’Antonio comes out with this quote: “It’s not my job to determine whether it makes sense or doesn’t make sense. It’s my job to make sure the bylaws are enforced as they are written.” It becomes clear that even the enforcement agent doesn’t stand behind it. It’s a bad rule, and it should be removed from the CAA Bylaws by the university presidents who have the power to do so.

Note how "Joey D" threw the schools he worked for under the bus. Interesting...

I will assume that everyone who supports "putting the athletes first" will assure that every athletic move going forward is based on less travel, less practice time, less emphasis on money to the university, smaller student athletic fees, less emphasis on winning, the free movement of student athletes with no penalties....right?

Was the driving force of JMU to FBS in the Sunbelt based first and foremost on the welfare of the all student athletes as well as the students paying the highest student fees in the nation? Spare me the BS emphasis on "student welfare" when the JMU move had NOTHING to do with the welfare of student athletes.

I cannot stand sanctimonious, holier than thou, lying hypocrites.
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(11-11-2021 09:52 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Was the driving force of JMU to FBS in the Sunbelt based first and foremost on the welfare of the all student athletes as well as the students paying the highest student fees in the nation? Spare me the BS emphasis on "student welfare" when the JMU move had NOTHING to do with the welfare of student athletes.

I cannot stand sanctimonious, holier than thou, lying hypocrites.

No argument with me on that point. In fact, I suspect that JMU did not make their fate known to student athletes because had they done so they would have lost players before the year began. They wanted their cake and to eat it too. Players could have avoided a "lost year" by departing for (or never signing with JNU in the first place) had they known what was in store.
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Dan Crain's article mirrors most of my thoughts over the last couple of weeks. JMU made this decision for the almighty dollar and for football. Anyone who believes anything else needs to look again. I have been blasted on various JMU forums for trying to place blame on the JMU administrators and I am tired of pointing out facts to them. My heart aches for the student-athletes who have lost out on a chance to represent a school most of them love dearly and, especially after the heartaches of the last two years playing or not playing due to COVID, this is one more slap in the face. Will they get over it as individuals? I think the pain will fade a bit, but I truly believe this could have been handled in a much better way to benefit more than the football team. Thanks to all of you for sharing your thoughts.
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(11-11-2021 10:38 AM)LovethoseDukes Wrote:  Dan Crain's article mirrors most of my thoughts over the last couple of weeks. JMU made this decision for the almighty dollar and for football. Anyone who believes anything else needs to look again. I have been blasted on various JMU forums for trying to place blame on the JMU administrators and I am tired of pointing out facts to them. My heart aches for the student-athletes who have lost out on a chance to represent a school most of them love dearly and, especially after the heartaches of the last two years playing or not playing due to COVID, this is one more slap in the face. Will they get over it as individuals? I think the pain will fade a bit, but I truly believe this could have been handled in a much better way to benefit more than the football team. Thanks to all of you for sharing your thoughts.
Thanks for being reasonable and objective Wish you all the best!
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(11-11-2021 10:38 AM)LovethoseDukes Wrote:  Dan Crain's article mirrors most of my thoughts over the last couple of weeks. JMU made this decision for the almighty dollar and for football. Anyone who believes anything else needs to look again. I have been blasted on various JMU forums for trying to place blame on the JMU administrators and I am tired of pointing out facts to them. My heart aches for the student-athletes who have lost out on a chance to represent a school most of them love dearly and, especially after the heartaches of the last two years playing or not playing due to COVID, this is one more slap in the face. Will they get over it as individuals? I think the pain will fade a bit, but I truly believe this could have been handled in a much better way to benefit more than the football team. Thanks to all of you for sharing your thoughts.
Thanks for being reasonable and objective sir. Wish you all the best!

I'm an old woman :-) but thanks for the good wishes. One of my biggest regrets in this whole mess is that I had put off making the UNCW/College of Charleston swing in women's basketball. Oh well...time to find a new trip to take!
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(11-11-2021 10:44 AM)LovethoseDukes Wrote:  
(11-11-2021 10:39 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-11-2021 10:38 AM)LovethoseDukes Wrote:  Dan Crain's article mirrors most of my thoughts over the last couple of weeks. JMU made this decision for the almighty dollar and for football. Anyone who believes anything else needs to look again. I have been blasted on various JMU forums for trying to place blame on the JMU administrators and I am tired of pointing out facts to them. My heart aches for the student-athletes who have lost out on a chance to represent a school most of them love dearly and, especially after the heartaches of the last two years playing or not playing due to COVID, this is one more slap in the face. Will they get over it as individuals? I think the pain will fade a bit, but I truly believe this could have been handled in a much better way to benefit more than the football team. Thanks to all of you for sharing your thoughts.
Thanks for being reasonable and objective . Wish you all the best!

I'm an old woman :-) but thanks for the good wishes. One of my biggest regrets in this whole mess is that I had put off making the UNCW/College of Charleston swing in women's basketball. Oh well...time to find a new trip to take!
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(11-11-2021 06:42 AM)82hawk Wrote:  It isn't a dumb rule, it isn't about egos and it isn't petty. Conference championships are about more than winning the conference, they're about representation of the conference in the NCAA tournament. If a university makes a decision to move to another conference, they have that right. At that point, they are making it clear that their priorities no longer align with the CAA and they are operating in their own self interests to move on. Again, no problem with that decision. But with that decision made, they no longer represent that conference, and therefore should not have the opportunity to represent that conference in the NCAA tournament. Period.

They are prevented from playing games. They aren't prevented from earning an at large bid. They are only prevented from representing the CAA in the NCAA tournament. What's petty, childish and egotistic is the idea that a school can make moves in their own self interest, then expect a conference with nine other schools to act against their self interests. It isn't punishment to expect that the NCAA representative from the CAA is actually a representative of the CAA, anymore than to believe that JMU is punishing the CAA by leaving. Both parties are acting in their self interest. Punishment isn't part of the equation and it's childish to view it in that manner. The rule is in place for a logical and rational reason.

There is no logic or reason for this to be a rule and the most glaring part of it is the default vote by the schools. If this was UNCW during the Blizzard years or when Keatts had his run the tone would be completely different here. The CAA is not an at large bid league now and to even mention that is ridiculous . Of course JMU fans and admin look like hypocrites because they are . That is not an argument for having a rule that punishes athletes but makes old fat guys feel better about themselves .
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