(11-07-2021 08:13 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  If it helps anyone understand, one of our programs biggest supporters who is a former governor of our state let it drop tonight than some of our board of trustees were watching the pigs play during our game with App. That’s what we’re fighting folks.

Somebody said that on our board and the Governor responded he didn’t know what they were talking about.

(11-07-2021 08:24 PM)stAteNation Wrote:  

(11-07-2021 08:19 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-07-2021 08:13 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  If it helps anyone understand, one of our programs biggest supporters who is a former governor of our state let it drop tonight than some of our board of trustees were watching the pigs play during our game with App. That’s what we’re fighting folks.

Isn't that what Butch Jones has allegedly been complaining about? A lack of commitment to Arkansas State football and apathy toward athletics in general? Terry Mohajir leaving May gave been very, very bad for you guys.

Mohajir is one of the reasons we are in this mess.

If he is the reason, how did he get a promotion? I know this type of thing happens often but I'm genuinely curious why you believe that.

(11-07-2021 08:25 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-07-2021 08:24 PM)stAteNation Wrote:  

(11-07-2021 08:19 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-07-2021 08:13 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  If it helps anyone understand, one of our programs biggest supporters who is a former governor of our state let it drop tonight than some of our board of trustees were watching the pigs play during our game with App. That’s what we’re fighting folks.

Isn't that what Butch Jones has allegedly been complaining about? A lack of commitment to Arkansas State football and apathy toward athletics in general? Terry Mohajir leaving May gave been very, very bad for you guys.

Mohajir is one of the reasons we are in this mess.

If he is the reason, how did he get a promotion? I know this type of thing happens often but I'm genuinely curious why you believe that.

Read my 3rd post on page 5.

Some of us feel that his hire of Anderson was a failure. One he let linger for too long. Anderson was hoping for that one and done magic when he got to stAte. He hit the transfer portal hard trying to get that miracle season to punch his ticket. He ignored recruiting any lineman or defensive players while he tried to hit his home run for a bigger job. Meanwhile Terry ignored it when Anderson’s wife was diagnosed with cancer Terry was boxed in. After seven years Terry facilitated Anderson’s departure by lowering his buy out and then grabbed the first train out of town himself. I hope UCF rots under his direction.

(11-07-2021 08:38 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  Some of us feel that his hire of Anderson was a failure. One he let linger for too long. Anderson was hoping for that one and done magic when he got to stAte. He hit the transfer portal hard trying to get that miracle season to punch his ticket. He ignored recruiting any lineman or defensive players while he tried to hit his home run for a bigger job. Meanwhile Terry ignored it when Anderson’s wife was diagnosed with cancer Terry was boxed in. After seven years Terry facilitated Anderson’s departure by lowering his buy out and then grabbed the first train out of town himself. I hope UCF rots under his direction.

Why would you fail to recruit on the lines? If you want a miracle season, the best way to do that is find a potential 1st team All-Conferencr QB, defensive linemen, and offensive linemen. If your fronts are good, your skill positions and back end players are elevated immediately.
I can't really buy that he didn't recruit those positions. Maybe the talent evaluations of crucial positions just sucked so when guys got in it turned out that they couldn't cut it.

But again, what's the issues with Butch Jones now? Seems like he's unhappy at Arkansas State because of the athletics administration.

(11-07-2021 10:33 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-07-2021 08:38 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  Some of us feel that his hire of Anderson was a failure. One he let linger for too long. Anderson was hoping for that one and done magic when he got to stAte. He hit the transfer portal hard trying to get that miracle season to punch his ticket. He ignored recruiting any lineman or defensive players while he tried to hit his home run for a bigger job. Meanwhile Terry ignored it when Anderson’s wife was diagnosed with cancer Terry was boxed in. After seven years Terry facilitated Anderson’s departure by lowering his buy out and then grabbed the first train out of town himself. I hope UCF rots under his direction.

Why would you fail to recruit on the lines? If you want a miracle season, the best way to do that is find a potential 1st team All-Conferencr QB, defensive linemen, and offensive linemen. If your fronts are good, your skill positions and back end players are elevated immediately.
I can't really buy that he didn't recruit those positions. Maybe the talent evaluations of crucial positions just sucked so when guys got in it turned out that they couldn't cut it.

But again, what's the issues with Butch Jones now? Seems like he's unhappy at Arkansas State because of the athletics administration.

Who said that? Butch raves about the administration. Said it’s the best group he’s ever worked for. Butch said in the last 3 recruiting cycles we signed 4 high school offensive lineman. Someone corrected him and said 5, but either way, that’s criminal. Butch has 5 high school OL committed right now.

(11-07-2021 10:43 PM)stAteNation Wrote:  

(11-07-2021 10:33 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-07-2021 08:38 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  Some of us feel that his hire of Anderson was a failure. One he let linger for too long. Anderson was hoping for that one and done magic when he got to stAte. He hit the transfer portal hard trying to get that miracle season to punch his ticket. He ignored recruiting any lineman or defensive players while he tried to hit his home run for a bigger job. Meanwhile Terry ignored it when Anderson’s wife was diagnosed with cancer Terry was boxed in. After seven years Terry facilitated Anderson’s departure by lowering his buy out and then grabbed the first train out of town himself. I hope UCF rots under his direction.

Why would you fail to recruit on the lines? If you want a miracle season, the best way to do that is find a potential 1st team All-Conferencr QB, defensive linemen, and offensive linemen. If your fronts are good, your skill positions and back end players are elevated immediately.
I can't really buy that he didn't recruit those positions. Maybe the talent evaluations of crucial positions just sucked so when guys got in it turned out that they couldn't cut it.

But again, what's the issues with Butch Jones now? Seems like he's unhappy at Arkansas State because of the athletics administration.

Who said that? Butch raves about the administration. Said it’s the best group he’s ever worked for. Butch said in the last 3 recruiting cycles we signed 4 high school offensive lineman. Someone corrected him and said 5, but either way, that’s criminal. Butch has 5 high school OL committed right now.

I'd read some things on your board that he allegedly said and was very unhappy with.

Anyone taken a look at Utah State's recruiting class to see if Anderson is doing anything different there? Maybe he just can't recruit?

Alls I know is this. If Arkansas State gets its footing back, with the trajectory of the rest of the conference, the Sun Belt will be the best G5 conference and it won't even be close. Even with Arkansas State being down, there is no "easy out" in this conference any more.

Also, do you believe Jones will pull the plug on Hatcher and throw Beagle out there? The remedy for a bad offensive line is Freddi Knighton reincarnate, and this Beagle kid is much, much quicker than I remember Knighton being. It looks like he could run a 4.3 easily and he will outrun every level of the defense against most teams.

If he is the future of the program, it may be best to get him in now to hone his passing and play recognition because once he gets it, this kid could be the class of the conference. Hell, you all could steal the Willie Fritz/Georgia Southern offense and really roll with that kid. Wouldn't help your defense but if you can put up 45 and give up 40, you're still winning.

Went and looked it up myself, Utah State has NO TRANFERS in their recruiting class. I suppose that may change when Andersons player development programs fails guys.

I suspect you think the Butch discontent is from the thread that was based on a tweet that someone found? If so, that account has zero credibility. Some suspect it's one of the UT trolls. Some of those fans really are bitter towards Butch.

I saw a clip from the coaches show where Butch talked about getting Beagle in the remaining games more to gain experience.

Begeal. And he does have an explosive first step - not sure if he is as fast as Freddi.

****! I've already done it! I knew I'd end up misspelling his name. Sorry.

(11-08-2021 01:14 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  ****! I've already done it! I knew I'd end up misspelling his name. Sorry.

Can we just call him Beagle? A dog with a nose for the endzone?

It's too easy..

I think the family mis-spelled "Beagle" when they likely Americanized their name after immigration and they just rolled with it. My last name has several variations in the U.S. and elsewhere following Americanizing a Dutch name.

(11-07-2021 08:38 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  Some of us feel that his hire of Anderson was a failure. One he let linger for too long. Anderson was hoping for that one and done magic when he got to stAte. He hit the transfer portal hard trying to get that miracle season to punch his ticket. He ignored recruiting any lineman or defensive players while he tried to hit his home run for a bigger job. Meanwhile Terry ignored it when Anderson’s wife was diagnosed with cancer Terry was boxed in. After seven years Terry facilitated Anderson’s departure by lowering his buy out and then grabbed the first train out of town himself. I hope UCF rots under his direction.

I thought stAte made his buyout so ludicrous that he was boxed in anyways? Certainly Anderson knew what he was getting into.

(11-07-2021 11:07 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(11-07-2021 08:09 AM)asu7 Wrote:  We do have the same problem in basketball. A lot of our kids and alum still pull for Acc schools in bball.

I don’t.

To hell with Duke.
To hell with Wake.
To hell with NC state.
And especially to hell with UNC.

30 years of systematic academic fraud.

I didn’t say you did. I said a lot of our kids and alums do. I don’t either. They are all trash. I hope our in state acc schools never win another game. Lots pull for state and unc still. So we do have that problem in basketball. Last year was amazing and I am curious to how that will affect our crowds at BBALL games. I am going to our game in chapel hill and trying to get tickets to our game at Cameron.

I still see colors from other schools at App. SEC and acc. Unfortunately it won’t change overnight but my kids may see it change.

(11-08-2021 04:13 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(11-07-2021 08:38 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  Some of us feel that his hire of Anderson was a failure. One he let linger for too long. Anderson was hoping for that one and done magic when he got to stAte. He hit the transfer portal hard trying to get that miracle season to punch his ticket. He ignored recruiting any lineman or defensive players while he tried to hit his home run for a bigger job. Meanwhile Terry ignored it when Anderson’s wife was diagnosed with cancer Terry was boxed in. After seven years Terry facilitated Anderson’s departure by lowering his buy out and then grabbed the first train out of town himself. I hope UCF rots under his direction.

I thought stAte made his buyout so ludicrous that he was boxed in anyways? Certainly Anderson knew what he was getting into.

Don't know the details for sure but seems like it dropped significantly annually such that by year 4 it would have been no big deal.

(11-09-2021 12:38 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 04:13 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(11-07-2021 08:38 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  Some of us feel that his hire of Anderson was a failure. One he let linger for too long. Anderson was hoping for that one and done magic when he got to stAte. He hit the transfer portal hard trying to get that miracle season to punch his ticket. He ignored recruiting any lineman or defensive players while he tried to hit his home run for a bigger job. Meanwhile Terry ignored it when Anderson’s wife was diagnosed with cancer Terry was boxed in. After seven years Terry facilitated Anderson’s departure by lowering his buy out and then grabbed the first train out of town himself. I hope UCF rots under his direction.

I thought stAte made his buyout so ludicrous that he was boxed in anyways? Certainly Anderson knew what he was getting into.

Don't know the details for sure but seems like it dropped significantly annually such that by year 4 it would have been no big deal.

So talent evaluation was Anderson's issue? Or player development? It seems like he tried the HS route at first and then went transfer to plug holes, but when you go transfer and miss on your HS guys new leaks continue to pop up.

Yes to all of the above. Plus, after he lost his first round of good assistants he was unable to replace them with quality coaches. His coaching tree had some shallow roots if you ask me.

(11-07-2021 08:25 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-07-2021 08:24 PM)stAteNation Wrote:  

(11-07-2021 08:19 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-07-2021 08:13 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  If it helps anyone understand, one of our programs biggest supporters who is a former governor of our state let it drop tonight than some of our board of trustees were watching the pigs play during our game with App. That’s what we’re fighting folks.

Isn't that what Butch Jones has allegedly been complaining about? A lack of commitment to Arkansas State football and apathy toward athletics in general? Terry Mohajir leaving May gave been very, very bad for you guys.

Mohajir is one of the reasons we are in this mess.

If he is the reason, how did he get a promotion? I know this type of thing happens often but I'm genuinely curious why you believe that.

Mohajir is great at fundraising. UCF was getting ready to push for a P5 invite, it made sense to hire him. Mohajir's weakness is that he just won't make hard choices when it comes to dealing with friends. He brought in a bunch of close friends to run the Athletic Department, refused to make any changes when things were going stale, and then hired half of those friends to work with him at UCF.

(11-08-2021 09:22 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Also, do you believe Jones will pull the plug on Hatcher and throw Beagle out there? The remedy for a bad offensive line is Freddi Knighton reincarnate, and this Beagle kid is much, much quicker than I remember Knighton being. It looks like he could run a 4.3 easily and he will outrun every level of the defense against most teams.

If he is the future of the program, it may be best to get him in now to hone his passing and play recognition because once he gets it, this kid could be the class of the conference. Hell, you all could steal the Willie Fritz/Georgia Southern offense and really roll with that kid. Wouldn't help your defense but if you can put up 45 and give up 40, you're still winning.

Most of our fan base believes that Hatcher will probably transfer at the end of the season anyway, so yes I expect Beagel to be given much more work.

He probably would have gotten more work, but there was no reason to pull the redshirt when you are clearly not going bowling anyway, and then throwing him against App's defense his first game out was not advisable. We've got ULM, GSU, and Texas State left. Those are the ideal teams for him to get more and more play against.