JMU would not be allowed to host any tournaments once they announce.

(11-04-2021 09:57 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Its funny to me that JMU administration is playing the victim card when their own president recently voted to bar OSU baseball for past transgressions. So when it effects his athletes, its a horrible rule to take championships away from the athletes, but when its not his athletes its ok to do the same. I dont feel the least bit bad for them.

it really is the jmu administration that deserves to take the heat about this. it sounds like they're doing a good job of deflecting.

take for example athletes in olympic type sports. really any sport other than football for that matter. jmu made a decision that really only serves the football program. it's not the caa's fault that they made the decision to ignore everyone else. i would feel ignored if i was a swimmer or soccer player not just if i can't play in tournaments...but that trip to arkansas state or lafayette, louisiana is going to be a great time.

last time i read about this...playing fbs football can be a financial disaster. bowl games are a money pit that ultimately end up costing money even though coaches and ads parade around bowl appearances like a badge of honor. jmu is taking a big risk to lose what they've built...which right now is a strong athletic department from top to bottom.

(11-05-2021 06:52 AM)hiroshimacarp Wrote:  last time i read about this...playing fbs football can be a financial disaster. bowl games are a money pit that ultimately end up costing money even though coaches and ads parade around bowl appearances like a badge of honor. jmu is taking a big risk to lose what they've built...which right now is a strong athletic department from top to bottom.

Maybe so, but JMU does support their programs well. They have had a bunch of success too which helps them coming back. I think they have a good potential to lose current interest when they are not immediately successful at all sports. I think some of their fans are under estimating the FCS value. Many fans of fcs teams also have a team they support who plays fbs. So moving to FBS they very well may lose fans because they will support only 1 FBS team, and that wont be JMU.

With all that said, the money from the media deal being offered, likely more than covers the difference. Their travel cost has to decrease, I would imagine for all sports. They are much more regionalized now than they were here. The teams in the west division wont all be played, whereas in the CAA you are traveling the entire coast (boston to charleston and include Maine for football) every other year in all sports. I would believe they will be fine.

(11-04-2021 01:01 PM)DrachenFire Wrote:  It will never act as a deterrent because losing out on conference tournament money will pale in comparison to the money they're going to get by switching conferences.

Not sure exit fees have ever been a true deterrent either. In general, any school that wants to leave will. They will find a way to come up with the money for exiting. But you can certainly set it high enough where it is difficult to overcome.

it's always amazing how nobody has any money...until they do...

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...dead-money

(11-05-2021 07:43 AM)hiroshimacarp Wrote:  it's always amazing how nobody has any money...until they do...

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...dead-money

Those are costs of doing business at the highest level. Much of those dead costs are covered by big time donors to move on from coaches. And as it says, many times its spread out over many years. Being a head coach in big conferences is always worth it because you are getting paid whether you are successful or whether you flop. Smaller programs deal with this less as they dont turn on coaches nearly as swiftly as power conferences do. The article even states that 88% of those are from the power 5

Its official now. Virginia Assembly unanimously approved JMUs move. Hopefully that CAA can now start making some official noise

from reading their message boards i can see the interest/excitement in moving up. they're right that fcs football is a dying breed in a lot of ways...although it has always been in this weird position of being between the **it and the fan. i would be excited about playing app state. some other schools probably not so much.

one of them commented about the excitement of being nationally ranked, national tv games, etc. they do need to realize their ceiling. the last cfp rankings which left out cincinnati show that ceiling is even shorter than i thought. if there was ever a group of 5 school that deserved to be in the playoff...it's the bearcats...and they're still getting screwed. as long as they realize anything more than maybe a top 10 finish, a conference title, and maybe a decent bowl game is their limit...they should be happy. i'm not sure how much of a bump that is from the fcs though.

by the way...i forgot how much i miss drama from virginia schools. in this case...they're trying to have their cake and eat it too by leaving their conference in a tough spot while getting to make the move that's best for them. it also sounds like they voted for this postseason ban when other schools left. go ahead and make the decisions that are best for you...because nobody else is going to look out for you...but you can't complain about the consequences.

i dislike the caa as much as the next guy...but i don't think think jmu leaving is as big a deal as gmu, vcu, and odu. losing 2 final four basketball programs was not ideal and somehow the caa survived.

Its a big deal for football but that is it. It does hurt softball, womens basketball and womens lax as JMU has been nationally ranked consistently. But that doesnt bring money in. CAA football will hurt from this, basketball not so much. There is a good opportunity to get better with this move if the CAA has their **** together. They are nowhere near the level of hurting leaving as VCU, Mason, ODU were, thats for sure.

i did a quick search to confirm but women's lacrosse doesn't seem like a sport the sun belt would have. women's basketball and softball should land fairly softly.

it's only about football though...and they have everyone worked up with the caa rather than the jmu admin for forgetting about them.

http://alwaysadragon.com/jmu-student-ath...ve-better/

This is the reaction from our friends over at Always A Dragon. While the national media has decided to make the CAA out to be the lone villain, at least Dan is recognizing what I had been saying all along that JMU needs to be taking a lot of blame here. The move to the SB wasn't a last minute decision and had to have been in the works for many years. JMU had an obligation to let their recruits know about a potential conference move and the risks that come with such move. The fact that the student athletes are blindsided here is the direct result of failure by the JMU administration not to be forthcoming. It's not the league's job to communicate the rules with the student athletes. It's the job of each school's compliance officer to do so.

i read his post at lunch. nice to see him back.

i agree it's not the league's job to communicate those things...and i don't know how much of a difference putting the bylaws on the web site would make. maybe from a liability standpoint they could say "we had it there so you should have read it". it's definitely not on the high school kids to sift through a document like that. even if they read it...they wouldn't necessarily think about how it might impact them...especially if a particular school isn't telling them about a possible move.

Sometimes transparency is just so you dont look bad or look like you are hiding something. I think that is all he was getting at with that. With that said this was a football move only. It does effect other sports but its not a 1 for 1 trade either. I think the Sunbelt mentioned bringing on some affiliates for mens soccer so that the marshalls and jmus can continue sponsoring soccer in the conference, where it currently doesnt have mens soccer. Regardless their other sports will find homes. I expect most individual olympic sports to start creating different regional conferences so that football and mens basketball dont run up the bill for travel for all sports.

(11-05-2021 07:36 AM)dan10 Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 01:01 PM)DrachenFire Wrote:  It will never act as a deterrent because losing out on conference tournament money will pale in comparison to the money they're going to get by switching conferences.

Not sure exit fees have ever been a true deterrent either. In general, any school that wants to leave will. They will find a way to come up with the money for exiting. But you can certainly set it high enough where it is difficult to overcome.

They're not, but at least they seem to provide a net benefit of cash as opposed to only bad PR.

(11-05-2021 02:35 PM)DrachenFire Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 07:36 AM)dan10 Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 01:01 PM)DrachenFire Wrote:  It will never act as a deterrent because losing out on conference tournament money will pale in comparison to the money they're going to get by switching conferences.

Not sure exit fees have ever been a true deterrent either. In general, any school that wants to leave will. They will find a way to come up with the money for exiting. But you can certainly set it high enough where it is difficult to overcome.

They're not, but at least they seem to provide a net benefit of cash as opposed to only bad PR.

Agreed

Conspiracy time: JMU helped to perpetuate the bylaw, knowing that they would eventually leave, and that it'd be an easy way to buy PR points from the public. I'm at least 15% sure this is the case, LOL

(11-08-2021 08:24 AM)jcohen42 Wrote:  Conspiracy time: JMU helped to perpetuate the bylaw, knowing that they would eventually leave, and that it'd be an easy way to buy PR points from the public. I'm at least 15% sure this is the case, LOL

I doubt it's a conspiracy, but the more I think about it, the more I'm certain that JMU is 100% to blame for this. They weren't transparent with their recruits because they didn't want to lose top recruits and lose a competitive advantage. It's a total embarrassment for their school and their program for their President to lash out at the CAA for something that was 100% their fault. I'm glad that they're also losing hosting championships this year, and especially glad that the WBB championship will be moved.

(11-05-2021 10:15 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Its official now. Virginia Assembly unanimously approved JMUs move. Hopefully that CAA can now start making some official noise

Football is the biggest attraction the CAA has in recognition today to attract new members and needs to use that as a tool to rebuild our MBB reputation.

Richmond, Elon plus W&M have been left out on an island for football along with UNCW, CoC, Elon and W&M for all sports. For the CAA to survive it needs two divisions.

While doing this the CAA needs to rebuild its MBB reputation by adding good MBB teams to join like Vermont if we setup a North Division plus 2-3 Southern schools from this list:

Furman
Wofford
ETSU
UNCG
Winthrop

What schools would Drexel like to see to enhance MBB?

(11-08-2021 09:34 AM)wmmii Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 10:15 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Its official now. Virginia Assembly unanimously approved JMUs move. Hopefully that CAA can now start making some official noise

Football is the biggest attraction the CAA has in recognition today to attract new members and needs to use that as a tool to rebuild our MBB reputation.

Richmond, Elon plus W&M have been left out on an island for football along with UNCW, CoC, Elon and W&M for all sports. For the CAA to survive it needs two divisions.

While doing this the CAA needs to rebuild its MBB reputation by adding good MBB teams to join like Vermont if we setup a North Division plus 2-3 Southern schools from this list:

Furman
Wofford
ETSU
UNCG
Winthrop

What schools would Drexel like to see to enhance MBB?

In an ideal, unrealistic way or a realistic way?

Unrealistic I think schools like a Bucknell should be the target. Wont/cant happen because of the other privates that wont break up rivalries. Boston as well. However they just changed conferences and not thinking they want to jump

Realistic: Vermont would be a near top for everyone, but I have to think Stony Brook and Fairfield would be up there too.

Others likely want Monmouth due to proximity.

If we can pull any number of those southern schools I think the conference comes out ahead, even from a northern school

Would Vermont want to make many flights south? According to Google Maps, by car they are 8:30 away from the CAA Tournament in D.C., and farther than that from W&M and the Carolinas. Whenever somebody proposes ETSU or Chattanooga, I say that the CAA would not be following its name because Tennessee wasn't a colony, and Vermont wasn't either.