Why do we want Vermont?

We don't need a north and south split we just need 12 pr 14 schools that happen to be 6/7 and 6/7north and south.

NU, Hofstra, Drexel, Monmouth, Towson, Delaware, Bucknell
COC, Elon, W&M, UNCW, UNCG, Howard and Florida Athletic/ FGC ( Florida school)

(11-08-2021 09:34 AM)wmmii Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 10:15 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Its official now. Virginia Assembly unanimously approved JMUs move. Hopefully that CAA can now start making some official noise

Football is the biggest attraction the CAA has in recognition today to attract new members and needs to use that as a tool to rebuild our MBB reputation.

Richmond, Elon plus W&M have been left out on an island for football along with UNCW, CoC, Elon and W&M for all sports. For the CAA to survive it needs two divisions.

While doing this the CAA needs to rebuild its MBB reputation by adding good MBB teams to join like Vermont if we setup a North Division plus 2-3 Southern schools from this list:

Furman
Wofford
ETSU
UNCG
Winthrop

What schools would Drexel like to see to enhance MBB?

Winthrop would be a nice grab as they are usually in the Tourney

Vermont is a quality basketball school thats why. We do not need or want a Florida School. If you are adding you have to have an even split, otherwise you make the conference even less stable than it already is.

The football schools might not like it, but the CAA needs to lean into basketball. That's how it gained notoriety and that's the best path forward to boosting its profile. The CAA Football teams are more or less stuck together due to convenience, and it's a solid football conference, but there are no real major additions to be made that will significantly impact football. But there are many more options in basketball. Attracting Vermont would be a major win for the CAA in that regard.

TL;DR: Secure basketball, football will be fine.

I have been thinking about how that might play out, and it’s apparent to me that the CAA cannot add too many southern schools.

Take a look:

CURRENT HOOPS SCHOOLS (9):
North: Northeastern, Hofstra, Drexel, Delaware
Middle: Towson
South: W&M, UNCW, Elon, Charleston

CURRENT FOOTBALL SCHOOLS, NORTH TO SOUTH (11):
North: Maine, NH, Albany, URI, Stony Brook
Middle: Villanova
South: Delaware, Towson, Richmond, W&M, Elon

Given W&M’s budget concerns, I assume it doesn’t want to be in the north division in any sport. The CAA actually has plenty of room to add football schools in the south, but if it adds too many basketball schools in the south, W&M winds up in the northern half of the conference. (In other words, new south schools cannot exceed new north schools by more than 2.)

To me, the best case scenario is Fairfield, UNCG and one South all-sports school. That gives you 12 in hoops (not too watered down), solves the southern schools travel issues and makes for logical divisions in hoops.

HOOPS SCHOOLS (12):
CAA NORTH: Northeastern, Fairfield, Hofstra, Drexel, Delaware, Towson
CAA SOUTH: W&M, UNCW, UNCG, Elon, Charleston, +1 Southern all-sports school

Football goes back to 12 and can carry on with scheduling the way it does now. You could always do divisions/pods in football if you needed to help schools control costs.

Yes it is 5 and 4 currently. So ideally you need 1 north and 2 southern teams if one of those is a basketball only in Greensboro.

(11-12-2021 01:28 PM)JonP Wrote:  I have been thinking about how that might play out, and it’s apparent to me that the CAA cannot add too many southern schools.

Take a look:

CURRENT HOOPS SCHOOLS (9):
North: Northeastern, Hofstra, Drexel, Delaware
Middle: Towson
South: W&M, UNCW, Elon, Charleston

CURRENT FOOTBALL SCHOOLS, NORTH TO SOUTH (11):
North: Maine, NH, Albany, URI, Stony Brook
Middle: Villanova
South: Delaware, Towson, Richmond, W&M, Elon

Given W&M’s budget concerns, I assume it doesn’t want to be in the north division in any sport. The CAA actually has plenty of room to add football schools in the south, but if it adds too many basketball schools in the south, W&M winds up in the northern half of the conference. (In other words, new south schools cannot exceed new north schools by more than 2.)

To me, the best case scenario is Fairfield, UNCG and one South all-sports school. That gives you 12 in hoops (not too watered down), solves the southern schools travel issues and makes for logical divisions in hoops.

HOOPS SCHOOLS (12):
CAA NORTH: Northeastern, Fairfield, Hofstra, Drexel, Delaware, Towson
CAA SOUTH: W&M, UNCW, UNCG, Elon, Charleston, +1 Southern all-sports school

Football goes back to 12 and can carry on with scheduling the way it does now. You could always do divisions/pods in football if you needed to help schools control costs.

We are happy to let Towson be in the North for football and MBB, not sure you have them in both... If Towson in North for FB then that allow us to add 2 SoCon all sports teams that do both FB and MBB!

Vermont would be a great school to add for the North in MBB and for all sports! UNCG and Winthrop good MBB adds.

Here is my priority for trying to add Sothern schools:

ETSU
Furman
Wofford
Winthrop
UNCG

(11-12-2021 06:03 PM)wmmii Wrote:  We are happy to let Towson be in the North for football and MBB, not sure you have them in both... If Towson in North for FB then that allow us to add 2 SoCon all sports teams that do both FB and MBB!

That's part of my point. It is very hard to come up with a way for Towson to be in "north" for both basketball and football while ALSO keeping W&M in the "south" for all sports.

If Towson is in the north for all sports, you have 16 football schools. So you have to do something like this:
NORTH: Maine, NH, Albany, URI, Stony Brook, Villanova, Delaware, Towson
SOUTH: Richmond, W&M, Elon, +5 new southern football schools

If those 5 football-playing schools are full CAA members, you're at 14 basketball members. It would look like this (at best):
NORTH: Northeastern, Hofstra, Drexel, Delaware, Towson, W&M, +1 new southern school
SOUTH: UNCW, Elon, Charleston, +4 new southern schools

I think it's self-evident that this would be bad.

To me, the better move is go to 12 in hoops (with divisions) and go back to 12 in football. I don't care if you do divisions in football or not. I don't think you need to, but you could.

Not sure how in tune this guy is. It'd be nice if this is for everything, though I can see it pissing off the southern schools if there aren't others in the mix.

I mean caa football, as you know, is a different entity. I would also hope that we are focused on full time members and not just football ones. Of course from our perspective, we want good basketball schools, not just football ones that also have basketball. I think most schools would be onboard with Monmouth as a full member. However if we do go divisions (I hope so), then the southern additions would be more pressing than the northern

It makes sense, Monmouth is a much better geographic fit in CAA Football than they are in the Big South.

I'd like them as a full member as well, but I wouldn't mind if they were football-only as long as it means we add a full-time non-football program in tandem. The more basketball-focused schools in our conference, the better for us.

(01-12-2022 03:23 PM)dan10 Wrote:  I mean caa football, as you know, is a different entity. I would also hope that we are focused on full time members and not just football ones. Of course from our perspective, we want good basketball schools, not just football ones that also have basketball. I think most schools would be onboard with Monmouth as a full member. However if we do go divisions (I hope so), then the southern additions would be more pressing than the northern

Right. To me, any northern addition would necessitate adding two in the south to set up divisional play. I'm very interested in if they'd be coming into both football and all-sports or just football. Just football would be very telling to me how finding full members is going.

I would like Monmouth to make our league 10 again. However, it would be cool to get Howard and UNCG

i didn't realize monmouth was trapped in the big south for football. definitely need to dig themselves out of there. i'm just not sure they're a caa football school. they lost to holy cross and princeton last year. i got the sense from a lehigh guy on twitter that he felt they should have gone to the patriot. seems like a better fit.

I think Monmouth fancies themselves a future contender in football. If they had any interest in the Patriot League, they would've been there by now, as it's a lateral move at best from the Big South. Whether they come to regret their choice is a different story.

(01-13-2022 09:35 AM)jcohen42 Wrote:  I think Monmouth fancies themselves a future contender in football. If they had any interest in the Patriot League, they would've been there by now, as it's a lateral move at best from the Big South. Whether they come to regret their choice is a different story.

Monmouth built a new arena for hoops a decade ago, paid King Rice at a CAA level to retain him, put 16MM into the football stadium now, and generally are putting money where their mouth is to show they are hungry in athletics. Similar to Quinnipiac IMO, but the academics aren't as strong at Monmouth (which would cause PL agita, IMO). Now they also have a new AD. So lots of moving and shaking there, a move being imminent makes a lot of sense, and they are a school that crossed my radar for CAA hoops a handful of times this past summer. Great locale obviously for DU. If we can't get Princeton (I jest) then this makes too much sense to say no to.

This article, which was written when they hired the AD highlights getting the hell out of the big South as the schools #1 athletics priority, and if they can move hoops at the same time, I'm sure they will. Again, the CAA makes too much sense here.



https://www.app.com/story/sports/college...092000002/

Matt Brown says it's for all sports and more are coming:
https://csnbbs.com/thread-940062-post-18...id18006661

14 hoops schools and a surprising name among the new 5.

ANTICIPATION!

Saw this on Any Given Saturday

Quote:The relationship between Monmouth and ESPN might be what the CAA wants the most in this deal. In either case of a football only or all sports move to CAA, I would think the ESPN relationship is in play somehow.

and, oh god yes please!

https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthr...ost3034057

I am all for more basketball only additions. Hopefully they are good ones. In there was mentioned about Quinnipiac. I am quite sure either them or Fairfield is one of the additions. Then it has to be a bunch of southern teams. Im certainly interested, like many here to see what pull the CAA has left. If we can pull some Socon teams, then our position of power is stronger than we all believe it is.

Also, anything to get back with ESPN is a hell yes. If that means Monmouth and showing clips of their bench a few years back, then so be it

14 schools in hoops would be huge for the conference. This is really encouraging, exciting news. Assuming Monmouth and Fairfield are among those teams, a northern division of Northeastern, Fairfield, Hofstra, Monmouth, Delaware, Towson, and us shapes up really nicely. I would be excited for that.