(10-09-2021 04:50 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 04:29 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 02:58 PM)sunamiwave Wrote:  I want to know how much money CUSA paid consultants like Jim Delaney to come up with this farce? What was the point of coming up with this proposal? Anyone at least semi-knowledgeable about the current landscape of college athletics know that the AAC and Sunbelt will never go along with it. Sounds like Judy and CUSA are in desperation mode right now knowing they are about to get cannabalized by the AAC, Sunbelt, and possibly the Mountain West.

Maybe more details are forthcoming like the networks are willing to pay these aligned conferences enough money so that no one from the AAC will lose revenues going forward. And the non-Saturday slots get equitably distributed.

So networks would pay all these leagues filled with a bunch of schools they value at relatively little similar to what they pay the AAC just to shuffle the pieces around? Make that make sense.

As time slots fill up with P5 conference games due to expansion there will be little reason to pay any of the G5 conferences much more than the others. The AAC's gap for football just got narrowed with the loss of their most high profile teams.

Let’s add UMASS and NMSU. Maybe we can get Boeing to sponsor all the flying we do.

Airport meeting in Charlotte forthcoming?

(10-09-2021 05:01 PM)Dowless Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 04:50 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 04:29 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 02:58 PM)sunamiwave Wrote:  I want to know how much money CUSA paid consultants like Jim Delaney to come up with this farce? What was the point of coming up with this proposal? Anyone at least semi-knowledgeable about the current landscape of college athletics know that the AAC and Sunbelt will never go along with it. Sounds like Judy and CUSA are in desperation mode right now knowing they are about to get cannabalized by the AAC, Sunbelt, and possibly the Mountain West.

Maybe more details are forthcoming like the networks are willing to pay these aligned conferences enough money so that no one from the AAC will lose revenues going forward. And the non-Saturday slots get equitably distributed.

So networks would pay all these leagues filled with a bunch of schools they value at relatively little similar to what they pay the AAC just to shuffle the pieces around? Make that make sense.

As time slots fill up with P5 conference games due to expansion there will be little reason to pay any of the G5 conferences much more than the others. The AAC's gap for football just got narrowed with the loss of their most high profile teams.

That ain't the argument Rice dude was making. He was proposing there was some sort of affirmative reason the AAC would listen to this. That's the only way the AAC would listen to this, and it doesn't exist.

(10-09-2021 04:53 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 04:33 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 03:55 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Honestly, I think this is just lining up the break off of the eastern teams. They will be like “see no one wants to play along so we’re just going to do our own thing”.

Curious how this new eastern league would work. What schools, how a new conf gets bowl tie-in, tv, etc?

I use to ask those same questions when the east schools would talk about it. Never got an answer and dont expect one now.

Yes, honestly I’ve read numerous threads/posts about this and have yet to get a rational answer on how this would play out. No offense but even though I know app and CCU might want closer neighbors to play, it’s pretty clear they won’t leave the SBC to cusa to do this, and much less likely there’s a ‘new’ conf that could somehow appear that would entice them any more than cusa would.

(10-09-2021 05:01 PM)Dowless Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 04:50 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 04:29 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 02:58 PM)sunamiwave Wrote:  I want to know how much money CUSA paid consultants like Jim Delaney to come up with this farce? What was the point of coming up with this proposal? Anyone at least semi-knowledgeable about the current landscape of college athletics know that the AAC and Sunbelt will never go along with it. Sounds like Judy and CUSA are in desperation mode right now knowing they are about to get cannabalized by the AAC, Sunbelt, and possibly the Mountain West.

Maybe more details are forthcoming like the networks are willing to pay these aligned conferences enough money so that no one from the AAC will lose revenues going forward. And the non-Saturday slots get equitably distributed.

So networks would pay all these leagues filled with a bunch of schools they value at relatively little similar to what they pay the AAC just to shuffle the pieces around? Make that make sense.

As time slots fill up with P5 conference games due to expansion there will be little reason to pay any of the G5 conferences much more than the others. The AAC's gap for football just got narrowed with the loss of their most high profile teams.

They haven't lost Memphis, SMU, and South Florida. Once that happens, reality will set in.

Regionalization can not include AAC. ACC teams do not benefit from it. It may have been a good idea, but for AAC it brings very little to no value.

(10-09-2021 05:08 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 04:53 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 04:33 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 03:55 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Honestly, I think this is just lining up the break off of the eastern teams. They will be like “see no one wants to play along so we’re just going to do our own thing”.

Curious how this new eastern league would work. What schools, how a new conf gets bowl tie-in, tv, etc?

I use to ask those same questions when the east schools would talk about it. Never got an answer and dont expect one now.

Yes, honestly I’ve read numerous threads/posts about this and have yet to get a rational answer on how this would play out. No offense but even though I know app and CCU might want closer neighbors to play, it’s pretty clear they won’t leave the SBC to cusa to do this, and much less likely there’s a ‘new’ conf that could somehow appear that would entice them any more than cusa would.

Bingo. We don’t want to be in CUSA or leave ESPN

The only way this works is to have every school
In CUSA and the Sun Belt in a binding agreement that
Nobody accepts an AAC invite.

Then unless Aresco wanted to back fill with
Independents or FCS he would be stuck.

I would think I would have this already done
Behind the scenes before I announced this
Public meeting.

Their may be more here than you think

(10-09-2021 05:15 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  The only way this works is to have every school
In CUSA and the Sun Belt in a binding agreement that
Nobody accepts an AAC invite.

Then unless Aresco wanted to back fill with
Independents or FCS he would be stuck.

I would think I would have this already done
Behind the scenes before I announced this
Public meeting.

Their may be more here than you think

I was thinking the same. It's a game of chess...all these moves the last few months have been. Obviously the conference offices are saying it's a no go, but it's the schools who vote and I'd wager there have been lots and lots of talks among schools. Will it work? It's a longshot...a very long shot but we will see.

(10-09-2021 05:15 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  The only way this works is to have every school
In CUSA and the Sun Belt in a binding agreement that
Nobody accepts an AAC invite.

Then unless Aresco wanted to back fill with
Independents or FCS he would be stuck.

I would think I would have this already done
Behind the scenes before I announced this
Public meeting.

Their may be more here than you think

Even when schools double dare promise not to leave so help them God, they still cave to the opportunity they want. See the "project" involving BYU, the WAC and the MWC.

(10-09-2021 04:33 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 03:55 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Honestly, I think this is just lining up the break off of the eastern teams. They will be like “see no one wants to play along so we’re just going to do our own thing”.

Curious how this new eastern league would work. What schools, how a new conf gets bowl tie-in, tv, etc?

If the schools broke off they would retain NCAA auto bids if they can keep seven schools that have been together at least 7 years. New TV contracts and bowl tie ins aren’t too crazy to figure out. Some of the existing tie ins would go with the ‘new’ conference. I’m not talking about taking eastern SBC teams (even though I think we probably would get a few if it materialized). JMU and Liberty would jump at an opportunity. The NCAA distributes 132 per year to the G5 if there was another conference it would equate to 22 million per year per conference.

I think it would be something like this (assuming UAB to the AAC):
ODU
Charlotte
Marshall
MTSU
WKU
FAU
FIU
Liberty
JMU
Jacksonville St (if we couldn’t get any SBC teams to join)

(10-09-2021 01:55 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  CUSA is just screwed. The AAC and the Belt are about to siphon off schools

Wow hot take thx

(10-09-2021 05:28 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 04:33 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 03:55 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Honestly, I think this is just lining up the break off of the eastern teams. They will be like “see no one wants to play along so we’re just going to do our own thing”.

Curious how this new eastern league would work. What schools, how a new conf gets bowl tie-in, tv, etc?

If the schools broke off they would retain NCAA auto bids if they can keep seven schools that have been together at least 7 years. New TV contracts and bowl tie ins aren’t too crazy to figure out. Some of the existing tie ins would go with the ‘new’ conference. I’m not talking about taking eastern SBC teams (even though I think we probably would get a few if it materialized). JMU and Liberty would jump at an opportunity. The NCAA distributes 132 per year to the G5 if there was another conference it would equate to 22 million per year per conference.

I think it would be something like this (assuming UAB to the AAC):
ODU
Charlotte
Marshall
MTSU
WKU
FAU
FIU
Liberty
JMU
Jacksonville St (if we couldn’t get any SBC teams to join)

With NIL a thing now I can't imagine a bunch of public schools with restricted budgets playing in a league with a private school with a limitless budget that already pours most of it into athletics.

(10-09-2021 05:33 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 05:28 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 04:33 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 03:55 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Honestly, I think this is just lining up the break off of the eastern teams. They will be like “see no one wants to play along so we’re just going to do our own thing”.

Curious how this new eastern league would work. What schools, how a new conf gets bowl tie-in, tv, etc?

If the schools broke off they would retain NCAA auto bids if they can keep seven schools that have been together at least 7 years. New TV contracts and bowl tie ins aren’t too crazy to figure out. Some of the existing tie ins would go with the ‘new’ conference. I’m not talking about taking eastern SBC teams (even though I think we probably would get a few if it materialized). JMU and Liberty would jump at an opportunity. The NCAA distributes 132 per year to the G5 if there was another conference it would equate to 22 million per year per conference.

I think it would be something like this (assuming UAB to the AAC):
ODU
Charlotte
Marshall
MTSU
WKU
FAU
FIU
Liberty
JMU
Jacksonville St (if we couldn’t get any SBC teams to join)

With NIL a thing now I can't imagine a bunch of public schools with restricted budgets playing in a league with a private school with a limitless budget that already pours most of it into athletics.

Starting a ‘new’ conference with a school like Liberty has a lot of perks. Look at their TV contract and bowl agreement. They did that without a lot of time to plan for it. I think the idea of staying away because of money is pretty dumb.

(10-09-2021 05:38 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 05:04 PM)All4One Wrote:  Airport meeting in Charlotte forthcoming?

clt likes this idea

Charlotte has a nice airport! Even 20 years ago, it was enormous.

(10-09-2021 05:28 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 04:33 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 03:55 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Honestly, I think this is just lining up the break off of the eastern teams. They will be like “see no one wants to play along so we’re just going to do our own thing”.

Curious how this new eastern league would work. What schools, how a new conf gets bowl tie-in, tv, etc?

If the schools broke off they would retain NCAA auto bids if they can keep seven schools that have been together at least 7 years. New TV contracts and bowl tie ins aren’t too crazy to figure out. Some of the existing tie ins would go with the ‘new’ conference. I’m not talking about taking eastern SBC teams (even though I think we probably would get a few if it materialized). JMU and Liberty would jump at an opportunity. The NCAA distributes 132 per year to the G5 if there was another conference it would equate to 22 million per year per conference.

I think it would be something like this (assuming UAB to the AAC):
ODU
Charlotte
Marshall
MTSU
WKU
FAU
FIU
Liberty
JMU
Jacksonville St (if we couldn’t get any SBC teams to join)

Well, thanks. That makes the most sense of anything I’ve read about this new ‘east’ conference. But it just seems to still have many obstacles to cross it would be a long shot. But hey, who knows.
And if it would happen, and assuming that UAB (and maybe rice?) goes to the aac, and USM to the SBC, that would leave only NT, LTU, utsa and Utep in cusa. So I guess they’d have to add from independents like Liberty and JMU? They’d still need a few I guess.

Please accept my apologies…I also posted this on the Conference Realignment board.

As much as I favor such a concept, it will NEVER happen. AAC has already shown they are not limited by geography in defining who they are. I’m sure they will select who they think best helps their brand regardless of where the team is. Sun Belt is already fairly compact so not sure what their motivation would be. Agree that CUSA has a geography problem, but it’s our problem. As an eastern based fan, I respect our western brothers and sisters, but they will never be “rivalry” teams from my vantage point. I’ve written before that I would love to see an Eastern conference, with Marshall in it, but doubt that is ever going to happen in my lifetime. I think we’re all just going to have to see what the AAC does, and react to that.

(10-09-2021 05:39 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 05:33 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 05:28 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 04:33 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 03:55 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Honestly, I think this is just lining up the break off of the eastern teams. They will be like “see no one wants to play along so we’re just going to do our own thing”.

Curious how this new eastern league would work. What schools, how a new conf gets bowl tie-in, tv, etc?

If the schools broke off they would retain NCAA auto bids if they can keep seven schools that have been together at least 7 years. New TV contracts and bowl tie ins aren’t too crazy to figure out. Some of the existing tie ins would go with the ‘new’ conference. I’m not talking about taking eastern SBC teams (even though I think we probably would get a few if it materialized). JMU and Liberty would jump at an opportunity. The NCAA distributes 132 per year to the G5 if there was another conference it would equate to 22 million per year per conference.

I think it would be something like this (assuming UAB to the AAC):
ODU
Charlotte
Marshall
MTSU
WKU
FAU
FIU
Liberty
JMU
Jacksonville St (if we couldn’t get any SBC teams to join)

With NIL a thing now I can't imagine a bunch of public schools with restricted budgets playing in a league with a private school with a limitless budget that already pours most of it into athletics.

Starting a ‘new’ conference with a school like Liberty has a lot of perks. Look at their TV contract and bowl agreement. They did that without a lot of time to plan for it. I think the idea of staying away because of money is pretty dumb.

They don't have a bowl agreement this year. The only way they go to a bowl is if there isn't enough bowl eligible teams to fulfill contracts. With BYU losing to Boise State, that knocks out the Independence Bowl.