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RE: Comments by Kevin Warren during B1G Basketball media day press conference
(10-11-2021 11:00 AM)JRsec Wrote: (10-11-2021 04:55 AM)XLance Wrote: (10-10-2021 10:12 PM)Wedge Wrote: (10-10-2021 08:04 PM)JRsec Wrote: (10-10-2021 07:27 PM)XLance Wrote: The value of big ten's investment in Rutgers and Maryland is depreciating at a rapid rate. With every cable cancellation the value of Maryland and Rutgers sinks just a little bit lower for the B1G.
In the new paradigm a school will either have to be a true national "brand" like an Oklahoma or have access to strong regional rivalries in order to have value.
Money does talk, but the reason an asset has value has changed since the 1990s.
And yet Warren raised the prospect of raising basketball profiles. I find him to be the least careful of commissioners. The only way major hoops programs have value is in a breakaway.
The SEC knows this but prioritized football brands first. I do think hoops comes next and will serve two purposes. Winter interest is one. A more balanced win / loss football and hoops bell curve within an expanded yet closed conference is the other.
Once Notre Dame and F.S.U. are decided the time for interest in North Carolina, Kansas, Virginia, and Duke will rise.
This is why I believe the elite programs of the ACC will be among the first to leave in a move to a consolidated P3, with a 4th to be formed as the SEC / B1G and PAC become more brand centric.
Segregation by revenue payouts with mind paid to geography will be the determining factors. Think 16 to 20 per conference.
Yeah, put that together:
1) The commissioner of the Big Ten, a conference that loudly prides itself on the AAU membership of all but one of its members, says basketball should play a larger role in realignment.
2) North Carolina, Kansas, Virginia, and Duke all have a lot of basketball brand value AND North Carolina, Kansas, Virginia, and Duke are all AAU universities.
To borrow a Spock quote from the original Star Trek series: “Even in this corner of the galaxy, Captain, 2 plus 2 equals 4.”
Do you see what's missing from the picture?
In the world of conference realignment who/what is the true winner?
If I read all of the reports correctly, it was Oklahoma and Texas that contacted the SEC, right? I don't think for one minute it was for the SEC, SEC, SEC, but it was to be aligned with an ESPN owned conference where their futures together would be secure.
Certainly the folks at Carolina, UVa and Duke are at least as smart as the folks at Texas an Oklahoma. And we probably have to admit that the folks at ESPN are smart too. ESPN already owns the best collection of basketball brands assembled in one conference. Wouldn't it make good business sense for ESPN to invest in the ACC rather than let a large chunk of the basketball brand value move to the B1G? And wouldn't it make sense that Carolina, Duke and UVa would want to stay attached to ESPN if at all possible?
That's why in the long run it will make sense for Penn State to attach itself to an ESPN conference, and get out of the shadow of Ohio State and Michigan, where it would be regarded as one of the top two football programs in the ACC. As a bonus a large number of it's games could be played against traditional rivals closer to home.
It will also be the opportunity for the B1G to shed itself of what everyone seems to regard as a huge mistake (the addition of Maryland and Rutgers).
Those three (Penn State, Maryland and Rutgers) along with West Virginia will give ESPN complete control of the east coast with an 18 team conference with built in access to Notre Dame.
The B1G will have to add from the PAC's AAU schools and perhaps Kansas and or Iowa State to form a marketable entity.
Yes there will be three. Teams are running toward the World Wide Leader, not away from it.
Ah, I get it now!
Prior to 2012 it was the ACC will survive if it outlasts the B1G. That didn't help.
Then it became Texas will save us. That didn't happen.
Then it was Notre Dame will join in full and save us. It's now apparent that won't happen.
So I guess the new one is Penn State will join and save us for the exposure? That won't happen either. PSU fits the Big 10. The Big 10 will meet it's needs both financially and academically.
In all of realignment I can't think of a single school that moved for less revenue.
But don't feel badly about it. It's up there with the wishes of Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado and A&M returning to the Big 12 to save them, and even Arkansas returning to a conference they were excluded by and to one in which they were never a member.
I'm sorry but the reality is that the top brand and usual revenue leader joined the SEC for about 24-25 million more, so there is impetus and precedent now for any of the ACC leaders joining a conference which makes 30-40 million more (depending on the conference).
And X, don't go blaming the B1G or SEC. Either one would willingly be used to help the networks assemble the product arrangement they desire for more money, but I doubt either is salivating to do it. It's merely the final stages of a corporate takeover of college sports that began in earnest in the very late 80's. What's happening now is an SKU overhead reduction through product placement.
(10-11-2021 11:47 PM)DawgNBama Wrote: (10-11-2021 11:00 AM)JRsec Wrote: (10-11-2021 04:55 AM)XLance Wrote: (10-10-2021 10:12 PM)Wedge Wrote: (10-10-2021 08:04 PM)JRsec Wrote: And yet Warren raised the prospect of raising basketball profiles. I find him to be the least careful of commissioners. The only way major hoops programs have value is in a breakaway.
The SEC knows this but prioritized football brands first. I do think hoops comes next and will serve two purposes. Winter interest is one. A more balanced win / loss football and hoops bell curve within an expanded yet closed conference is the other.
Once Notre Dame and F.S.U. are decided the time for interest in North Carolina, Kansas, Virginia, and Duke will rise.
This is why I believe the elite programs of the ACC will be among the first to leave in a move to a consolidated P3, with a 4th to be formed as the SEC / B1G and PAC become more brand centric.
Segregation by revenue payouts with mind paid to geography will be the determining factors. Think 16 to 20 per conference.
Yeah, put that together:
1) The commissioner of the Big Ten, a conference that loudly prides itself on the AAU membership of all but one of its members, says basketball should play a larger role in realignment.
2) North Carolina, Kansas, Virginia, and Duke all have a lot of basketball brand value AND North Carolina, Kansas, Virginia, and Duke are all AAU universities.
To borrow a Spock quote from the original Star Trek series: “Even in this corner of the galaxy, Captain, 2 plus 2 equals 4.”
Do you see what's missing from the picture?
In the world of conference realignment who/what is the true winner?
If I read all of the reports correctly, it was Oklahoma and Texas that contacted the SEC, right? I don't think for one minute it was for the SEC, SEC, SEC, but it was to be aligned with an ESPN owned conference where their futures together would be secure.
Certainly the folks at Carolina, UVa and Duke are at least as smart as the folks at Texas an Oklahoma. And we probably have to admit that the folks at ESPN are smart too. ESPN already owns the best collection of basketball brands assembled in one conference. Wouldn't it make good business sense for ESPN to invest in the ACC rather than let a large chunk of the basketball brand value move to the B1G? And wouldn't it make sense that Carolina, Duke and UVa would want to stay attached to ESPN if at all possible?
That's why in the long run it will make sense for Penn State to attach itself to an ESPN conference, and get out of the shadow of Ohio State and Michigan, where it would be regarded as one of the top two football programs in the ACC. As a bonus a large number of it's games could be played against traditional rivals closer to home.
It will also be the opportunity for the B1G to shed itself of what everyone seems to regard as a huge mistake (the addition of Maryland and Rutgers).
Those three (Penn State, Maryland and Rutgers) along with West Virginia will give ESPN complete control of the east coast with an 18 team conference with built in access to Notre Dame.
The B1G will have to add from the PAC's AAU schools and perhaps Kansas and or Iowa State to form a marketable entity.
Yes there will be three. Teams are running toward the World Wide Leader, not away from it.
Ah, I get it now!
Prior to 2012 it was the ACC will survive if it outlasts the B1G. That didn't help.
Then it became Texas will save us. That didn't happen.
Then it was Notre Dame will join in full and save us. It's now apparent that won't happen.
So I guess the new one is Penn State will join and save us for the exposure? That won't happen either. PSU fits the Big 10. The Big 10 will meet it's needs both financially and academically.
In all of realignment I can't think of a single school that moved for less revenue.
But don't feel badly about it. It's up there with the wishes of Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado and A&M returning to the Big 12 to save them, and even Arkansas returning to a conference they were excluded by and to one in which they were never a member.
I'm sorry but the reality is that the top brand and usual revenue leader joined the SEC for about 24-25 million more, so there is impetus and precedent now for any of the ACC leaders joining a conference which makes 30-40 million more (depending on the conference).
And X, don't go blaming the B1G or SEC. Either one would willingly be used to help the networks assemble the product arrangement they desire for more money, but I doubt either is salivating to do it. It's merely the final stages of a corporate takeover of college sports that began in earnest in the very late 80's. What's happening now is an SKU overhead reduction through product placement.
Is there any way to stop it JR?? Or is it just hopeless??
The horse has left the barn, but I suppose the schools can just refuse to sign any more TV deals with networks and just produce/stream their games by themselves to fans on a subscription basis.
They won't do that, so its probably a done deal.
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