Over as long as Ja plays most of the season. I'll predict 44-38.

I'm taking the under.

(10-09-2021 01:04 AM)SpiderMan79x Wrote:  I'm taking the under.

Why?

(10-09-2021 05:48 AM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(10-09-2021 01:04 AM)SpiderMan79x Wrote:  I'm taking the under.

Why?

They very well may prove me wrong, but I have 2 reasons:

1) I am not convinced that the Grizzlies improved in the offseason, and may have taken a step back.

2) I'm never right, so saying under is a sure fire way for them to be over. lol

Our inability to shoot from the outside is definitely a concern. We rolled the dice on Zaire Williams, (who cant shoot well at this point) and probably should have, at least in the short term, opted for a shooter. Maybe we will get one next year with one of our 3 first round picks.

(10-10-2021 09:30 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Our inability to shoot from the outside is definitely a concern. We rolled the dice on Zaire Williams, (who cant shoot well at this point) and probably should have, at least in the short term, opted for a shooter. Maybe we will get one next year with one of our 3 first round picks.

Good points. Also, with our active front office, one of those picks could bring us an experienced wing shooter before the mid-winter trade deadline.

(10-10-2021 09:30 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Our inability to shoot from the outside is definitely a concern. We rolled the dice on Zaire Williams, (who cant shoot well at this point) and probably should have, at least in the short term, opted for a shooter. Maybe we will get one next year with one of our 3 first round picks.

Melton, Bane, and JJJ have all been looking food from three so far (pre-season). Kyle Anderson looked pretty good from deep last year. I haven't noticed his pre-season stats. Too lazy to look.

(10-11-2021 10:02 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 09:30 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Our inability to shoot from the outside is definitely a concern. We rolled the dice on Zaire Williams, (who cant shoot well at this point) and probably should have, at least in the short term, opted for a shooter. Maybe we will get one next year with one of our 3 first round picks.

Melton, Bane, and JJJ have all been looking food from three so far (pre-season). Kyle Anderson looked pretty good from deep last year. I haven't noticed his pre-season stats. Too lazy to look.

Zaire is 5 for 21 so far and 1-9 for 3. Might send him down to the G-league to get some playing time for now.

Melton has shot pretty well except for the Atlanta game (1-8) but didn't have Ja, JJJ, Adams for that one.

(10-11-2021 10:13 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 10:02 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 09:30 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Our inability to shoot from the outside is definitely a concern. We rolled the dice on Zaire Williams, (who cant shoot well at this point) and probably should have, at least in the short term, opted for a shooter. Maybe we will get one next year with one of our 3 first round picks.

Melton, Bane, and JJJ have all been looking food from three so far (pre-season). Kyle Anderson looked pretty good from deep last year. I haven't noticed his pre-season stats. Too lazy to look.

Zaire is 5 for 21 so far and 1-9 for 3. Might send him down to the G-league to get some playing time for now.

Melton has shot pretty well except for the Atlanta game (1-8) but didn't have Ja, JJJ, Adams for that one.

Yeah, Zaire needs lots of polishing!

(10-10-2021 09:30 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Our inability to shoot from the outside is definitely a concern. We rolled the dice on Zaire Williams, (who cant shoot well at this point) and probably should have, at least in the short term, opted for a shooter. Maybe we will get one next year with one of our 3 first round picks.

Bane, Melton and JJJ are all shooters and we have other guys who are capable

(10-11-2021 03:28 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 09:30 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Our inability to shoot from the outside is definitely a concern. We rolled the dice on Zaire Williams, (who cant shoot well at this point) and probably should have, at least in the short term, opted for a shooter. Maybe we will get one next year with one of our 3 first round picks.

Bane, Melton and JJJ are all shooters and we have other guys who are capable

I like them but Bane and Melton are good not great, and our 3pt shooting last season wasn't great. We traded our best 3pt shooter for a sack of beans. Val was decent for a big men, but Adams cant spread the floor. DB is on and off. Zaire Williams 3pt shooting was abysmal in college.

We need someone who can help open up the floor for Ja.
JJJ is a very good shooter but his injury problem is concerning.

I guess we shall see. Its just seems to be an obvious point of weakness. Most playoff type teams have a money shooter.

(10-11-2021 04:42 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 03:28 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 09:30 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Our inability to shoot from the outside is definitely a concern. We rolled the dice on Zaire Williams, (who cant shoot well at this point) and probably should have, at least in the short term, opted for a shooter. Maybe we will get one next year with one of our 3 first round picks.

Bane, Melton and JJJ are all shooters and we have other guys who are capable

I like them but Bane and Melton are good not great, and our 3pt shooting last season wasn't great. We traded our best 3pt shooter for a sack of beans. Val was decent for a big men, but Adams cant spread the floor. DB is on and off. Zaire Williams 3pt shooting was abysmal in college.

We need someone who can help open up the floor for Ja.
JJJ is a very good shooter but his injury problem is concerning.

I guess we shall see. Its just seems to be an obvious point of weakness. Most playoff type teams have a money shooter.

Both Melton and Bane shot better than Allen last year. Bane is one of the best shooters in the league

(10-11-2021 05:30 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 04:42 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 03:28 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 09:30 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Our inability to shoot from the outside is definitely a concern. We rolled the dice on Zaire Williams, (who cant shoot well at this point) and probably should have, at least in the short term, opted for a shooter. Maybe we will get one next year with one of our 3 first round picks.

Bane, Melton and JJJ are all shooters and we have other guys who are capable

I like them but Bane and Melton are good not great, and our 3pt shooting last season wasn't great. We traded our best 3pt shooter for a sack of beans. Val was decent for a big men, but Adams cant spread the floor. DB is on and off. Zaire Williams 3pt shooting was abysmal in college.

We need someone who can help open up the floor for Ja.
JJJ is a very good shooter but his injury problem is concerning.

I guess we shall see. Its just seems to be an obvious point of weakness. Most playoff type teams have a money shooter.

Both Melton and Bane shot better than Allen last year. Bane is one of the best shooters in the league

The difference is Grayson Allen is a clutch shooter improving every year he has been in the league. He was far and away our best 3 point shooter and played a more vital role down the stretch.

I like Bane and Melton but they aren't they answer, and frankly neither was Grayson Allen. (Who imo is better, watch this season) Zaire Williams may not crack our top 10 rotation. (Not a great pick imo but it is early still so who lnows) IMO we need a real shooter.

Melton is a backup too Ja and Bane probably is.too though I can see him starting some games. A real shooter will be on the floor at the start and finish of games, especially stretch games, and make clutch shots. That is a player we don't have yet, and failed to draft this season

Im unaware of any team that really fears our 3pt shooting over a series. We do play together well, but when push comes to shove, well, we still are missing a consistent legit money shooter. That said the Grizzlies are still fun to watch. I hope I'm wrong.

(10-11-2021 07:55 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 05:30 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 04:42 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 03:28 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 09:30 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Our inability to shoot from the outside is definitely a concern. We rolled the dice on Zaire Williams, (who cant shoot well at this point) and probably should have, at least in the short term, opted for a shooter. Maybe we will get one next year with one of our 3 first round picks.

Bane, Melton and JJJ are all shooters and we have other guys who are capable

I like them but Bane and Melton are good not great, and our 3pt shooting last season wasn't great. We traded our best 3pt shooter for a sack of beans. Val was decent for a big men, but Adams cant spread the floor. DB is on and off. Zaire Williams 3pt shooting was abysmal in college.

We need someone who can help open up the floor for Ja.
JJJ is a very good shooter but his injury problem is concerning.

I guess we shall see. Its just seems to be an obvious point of weakness. Most playoff type teams have a money shooter.

Both Melton and Bane shot better than Allen last year. Bane is one of the best shooters in the league

The difference is Grayson Allen is a clutch shooter improving every year he has been in the league. [b]He was far and away our best 3 point shooter and played a more vital role down the stretch.
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I like Bane and Melton but they aren't they answer, and frankly neither was Grayson Allen. (Who imo is better, watch this season) Zaire Williams may not crack our top 10 rotation. (Not a great pick imo but it is early still so who lnows) IMO we need a real shooter.

Melton is a backup too Ja and Bane probably is.too though I can see him starting some games. A real shooter will be on the floor at the start and finish of games, especially stretch games, and make clutch shots. That is a player we don't have yet, and failed to draft this season

Im unaware of any team that really fears our 3pt shooting over a series. We do play together well, but when push comes to shove, well, we still are missing a consistent legit money shooter. That said the Grizzlies are still fun to watch. I hope I'm wrong.

This isn’t true at all. And Bane and Melton aren’t point guards

(10-12-2021 05:50 AM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 07:55 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 05:30 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 04:42 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 03:28 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  Bane, Melton and JJJ are all shooters and we have other guys who are capable

I like them but Bane and Melton are good not great, and our 3pt shooting last season wasn't great. We traded our best 3pt shooter for a sack of beans. Val was decent for a big men, but Adams cant spread the floor. DB is on and off. Zaire Williams 3pt shooting was abysmal in college.

We need someone who can help open up the floor for Ja.
JJJ is a very good shooter but his injury problem is concerning.

I guess we shall see. Its just seems to be an obvious point of weakness. Most playoff type teams have a money shooter.

Both Melton and Bane shot better than Allen last year. Bane is one of the best shooters in the league

The difference is Grayson Allen is a clutch shooter improving every year he has been in the league. [b]He was far and away our best 3 point shooter and played a more vital role down the stretch.
[/b]
I like Bane and Melton but they aren't they answer, and frankly neither was Grayson Allen. (Who imo is better, watch this season) Zaire Williams may not crack our top 10 rotation. (Not a great pick imo but it is early still so who lnows) IMO we need a real shooter.

Melton is a backup too Ja and Bane probably is.too though I can see him starting some games. A real shooter will be on the floor at the start and finish of games, especially stretch games, and make clutch shots. That is a player we don't have yet, and failed to draft this season

Im unaware of any team that really fears our 3pt shooting over a series. We do play together well, but when push comes to shove, well, we still are missing a consistent legit money shooter. That said the Grizzlies are still fun to watch. I hope I'm wrong.

This isn’t true at all. And Bane and Melton aren’t point guards

Very not true at all. I think Bane could be a significant contributor. Not making any claims he will be an all-star or anything, but I think he was a fantastic draft pick for where we got him. Comparing him and Allen, as a 3rd year player, Allen scored 10.6 pts per game in 25.2 minutes. Took 5.5 3's a game and made 39.1% of them. As a rookie, Bane scored 9.2 pts a game in 22.3 minutes. He took 4 3's a game, making 43.2% of them. Bane also had a better 2 point % than Allen too. Allen's contract is ending after this season, so we'd have to give him a bigger contract to hang on to him. Trading him for a couple 2nd round picks and giving Melton and Bane some more minutes was absolutely the smart thing to do. Bane will definitely be a more productive guy than Allen.

Memphis 3pt shooting last year was 20th out of 30 nba teams. Not exactly stellar 3pt shooting and other teams, playoff teams, simply outscore us routinely. We play hard.

The Grizzlies consider Melton as a potential backup to Ja, and it is the main reason Tyus Jones is trade bait. Bane was great last season but we traded away two 3pt threats, and did not pick one up.

You don't have to be a pure PG to give Ja a breather and there are some players we are going to have to trade or let walk.

The only way our 3pt shooting improves this season is if JJJ stays healthy and is on fire, because Adams isn't going to stretch the floor like Jonas could. Ja might become a improved 3pt shooter.

Where we may be improved is defensively. Hopefully DB is not hurt for long and Adams is better defensively than Jonas. The lack of shooters and scoring is going to be our achilles heel this season and in the foreseeable future until we address it. That is not a knock on our players, and it is a fact.

(10-14-2021 09:46 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Memphis 3pt shooting last year was 20th out of 30 nba teams. Not exactly stellar 3pt shooting and other teams, playoff teams, simply outscore us routinely. We play hard.

The Grizzlies consider Melton as a potential backup to Ja, and it is the main reason Tyus Jones is trade bait. Bane was great last season but we traded away two 3pt threats, and did not pick one up.

You don't have to be a pure PG to give Ja a breather and there are some players we are going to have to trade or let walk.

The only way our 3pt shooting improves this season is if JJJ stays healthy and is on fire, because Adams isn't going to stretch the floor like Jonas could. Ja might become a improved 3pt shooter.

Where we may be improved is defensively. Hopefully DB is not hurt for long and Adams is better defensively than Jonas. The lack of shooters and scoring is going to be our achilles heel this season and in the foreseeable future until we address it. That is not a knock on our players, and it is a fact.

Have you watched any preseason games? Scoring and 3 point shooting isn’t going to be a problem. We were 15th in scoring last season and Jenkins system is beautiful to watch. I think you are mixing this team up with the Grit and Grind teams.

(10-14-2021 09:46 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Memphis 3pt shooting last year was 20th out of 30 nba teams. Not exactly stellar 3pt shooting and other teams, playoff teams, simply outscore us routinely. We play hard.

The Grizzlies consider Melton as a potential backup to Ja, and it is the main reason Tyus Jones is trade bait. Bane was great last season but we traded away two 3pt threats, and did not pick one up.

You don't have to be a pure PG to give Ja a breather and there are some players we are going to have to trade or let walk.

The only way our 3pt shooting improves this season is if JJJ stays healthy and is on fire, because Adams isn't going to stretch the floor like Jonas could. Ja might become a improved 3pt shooter.

Where we may be improved is defensively. Hopefully DB is not hurt for long and Adams is better defensively than Jonas. The lack of shooters and scoring is going to be our achilles heel this season and in the foreseeable future until we address it. That is not a knock on our players, and it is a fact.

Traded away 2 3-point threats? Yes, Allen, but Jonas' 3-point shooting is such a minimal factor. He averaged 0.9 attempts per game and made 36.8% of them. He makes 1 three pointer every 3 games. That's not a threat. Dieng was more of a threat than Jonas. And as far as Allen, all of his time will now be replaced with Bane and Melton. Melton and Bane both had higher 3pt% than Allen last year, so without Allen, we could easily get better. Not to mention if Clarke can shake that horrid shooting from last season and go back to how he did his rookie season, and then if Jaren stays healthy, our 3 point shooting could make it into the upper half of the league.

(10-15-2021 03:09 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 09:46 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Memphis 3pt shooting last year was 20th out of 30 nba teams. Not exactly stellar 3pt shooting and other teams, playoff teams, simply outscore us routinely. We play hard.

The Grizzlies consider Melton as a potential backup to Ja, and it is the main reason Tyus Jones is trade bait. Bane was great last season but we traded away two 3pt threats, and did not pick one up.

You don't have to be a pure PG to give Ja a breather and there are some players we are going to have to trade or let walk.

The only way our 3pt shooting improves this season is if JJJ stays healthy and is on fire, because Adams isn't going to stretch the floor like Jonas could. Ja might become a improved 3pt shooter.

Where we may be improved is defensively. Hopefully DB is not hurt for long and Adams is better defensively than Jonas. The lack of shooters and scoring is going to be our achilles heel this season and in the foreseeable future until we address it. That is not a knock on our players, and it is a fact.

Traded away 2 3-point threats? Yes, Allen, but Jonas' 3-point shooting is such a minimal factor. He averaged 0.9 attempts per game and made 36.8% of them. He makes 1 three pointer every 3 games. That's not a threat. Dieng was more of a threat than Jonas. And as far as Allen, all of his time will now be replaced with Bane and Melton. Melton and Bane both had higher 3pt% than Allen last year, so without Allen, we could easily get better. Not to mention if Clarke can shake that horrid shooting from last season and go back to how he did his rookie season, and then if Jaren stays healthy, our 3 point shooting could make it into the upper half of the league.

You do realize a shooter doesn't have to actually shoot the 3 top be a threat from 3 and spread the floor? Yes Jonas was a threat from 3. If you aren't on the floor, then you aren't a threat, so no, Dieng was not more of a threat than Jonas, nor is Adams.

We are not a great 3 point shooting team, not even close. It is unrealistic to believe that our 3pt shooting has improved from last season. JJJ if he is healthy should help neutralize our losses. That said, ill take the under on the Grizzlies. 40.5 may be close, but we will not be a legitimate playoff team until we address our outside shooting issues.

We should expect improvement from the younger players. We hit the over easy.