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RE: Cut your losses and go get Freeze
(10-02-2021 07:54 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  Clay Helton

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RE: Cut your losses and go get Freeze
(10-02-2021 07:49 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(10-02-2021 07:20 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(10-02-2021 04:23 PM)batman Wrote:  Was never a fan of this hire. It felt more like, well he is already here, just give him the job.

It was like they zeroed in on either him or Barry Odom. Never understood that. Why not use the same process that got us Fuente and Norvell?

If you look at the names that moved, we would have possibly been in on some of them, or maybe we could have grabbed someone else. Who would have made us happy that might have taken the job?

P5
Lane Kiffin
Willie Taggart
Sam Pittman
Jeff Hafley
Mike Leach
Nick Rolovich
Dave Aranda
Mel Tucker
Karl Dorrell
Greg Schiano
Eli Drinkwitz

Non P5
Jeff Scott
Jeff Traylor
Ricky Rahne
Shawn Clark
Marcus Arroyo
Kalen DeBoer
Danny Gonzalez
Brady Hoke
Steve Addazio
Todd Graham

The first two on the list are coaches we MIGHT have had a shot at, but even that is a stretch. Traylor was at Texas, SMU and Arkansas, so his ties to Texas are deep. Scott would have been considered a very solid hire, but he is 2-12 at USF.

IMO, the issues are across the board, not limited to Silverfield.

- Johns doesn't seem to be a great play caller
- McIntyre seems old school to me, probably not a great recruiter, stubborn in his ways
- IMO, we don't have a single running back that is above average, and none with breakaway speed
- IMO, the younger wide receivers aren't stepping up yet
- It all centers around Henigan not being ready, and not being able to make up for it by being a dual threat.

Everyone crapping on Silverfield for not having experience is crazy. He had been in coaching for 15 years, and was mentored here by Norvell for 4 years before being given the job. It is easily arguable that none of the other hires would have been appreciably better than him on paper, and there were reasons why all of them wouldn't have been as good of a hire.

The bottom line, is that aside from Austin and Dykes, we don't have very good offensive players yet. The minute Gainwell, Henderson, Coxie, and Pollard got on the field, everyone knew that they were going to be fantastic players. Maybe there are players like Gibson on the roster; players that are going to have huge breakouts.

Obviously, all of it falls on the coach. He is responsible for the assistants, and to be recruiting at such a high level and not see not enough playmakers emerge on either side of the ball, is worrisome.

Drinkwitz - Appalachian State

So coaching for 15 years----as opposed to PENNY being in BB his entire life

The 15 year guy has the experience---the lifer does not

I said PENNY knew as much about BB as anyone who has ever lived---you said he lacked exp and needed help-- implying that PENNY was too dumb to have learned the game after a lifetime of being in it

You pizz on PENNYS knowledge/exp--but defend RUIN SILVERFIELDS knowledge/exp

Ruin Silverfield and his political BS agenda should be run out of town

Neither had ever been a head coach in college

Consistent much ?
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RE: Cut your losses and go get Freeze
Ike Hope's all u Dudes can do a reality check and realize we really only had one good game and that was a CUPCAKE.
We were lucky to beat arky state and miz state was a freak win. I hope u Dudes aren't drinking to much Blue Koolaid.
Ike will say outside of Nichols the games were very exciting and even the Nichols game made the high lights with the fighting in the stands.
DITCH THE CUPCAKES
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RE: Cut your losses and go get Freeze
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(10-02-2021 07:54 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  Clay Helton

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RE: Cut your losses and go get Freeze
(10-02-2021 08:21 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Ike Hope's all u Dudes can do a reality check and realize we really only had one good game and that was a CUPCAKE.
We were lucky to beat arky state and miz state was a freak win. I hope u Dudes aren't drinking to much Blue Koolaid.
Ike will say outside of Nichols the games were very exciting and even the Nichols game made the high lights with the fighting in the stands.
DITCH THE CUPCAKES

As much as I’d like to, I cannot argue with this.
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RE: Cut your losses and go get Freeze
(10-02-2021 08:21 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(10-02-2021 07:49 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(10-02-2021 07:20 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(10-02-2021 04:23 PM)batman Wrote:  Was never a fan of this hire. It felt more like, well he is already here, just give him the job.

It was like they zeroed in on either him or Barry Odom. Never understood that. Why not use the same process that got us Fuente and Norvell?

If you look at the names that moved, we would have possibly been in on some of them, or maybe we could have grabbed someone else. Who would have made us happy that might have taken the job?

P5
Lane Kiffin
Willie Taggart
Sam Pittman
Jeff Hafley
Mike Leach
Nick Rolovich
Dave Aranda
Mel Tucker
Karl Dorrell
Greg Schiano
Eli Drinkwitz

Non P5
Jeff Scott
Jeff Traylor
Ricky Rahne
Shawn Clark
Marcus Arroyo
Kalen DeBoer
Danny Gonzalez
Brady Hoke
Steve Addazio
Todd Graham

The first two on the list are coaches we MIGHT have had a shot at, but even that is a stretch. Traylor was at Texas, SMU and Arkansas, so his ties to Texas are deep. Scott would have been considered a very solid hire, but he is 2-12 at USF.

IMO, the issues are across the board, not limited to Silverfield.

- Johns doesn't seem to be a great play caller
- McIntyre seems old school to me, probably not a great recruiter, stubborn in his ways
- IMO, we don't have a single running back that is above average, and none with breakaway speed
- IMO, the younger wide receivers aren't stepping up yet
- It all centers around Henigan not being ready, and not being able to make up for it by being a dual threat.

Everyone crapping on Silverfield for not having experience is crazy. He had been in coaching for 15 years, and was mentored here by Norvell for 4 years before being given the job. It is easily arguable that none of the other hires would have been appreciably better than him on paper, and there were reasons why all of them wouldn't have been as good of a hire.

The bottom line, is that aside from Austin and Dykes, we don't have very good offensive players yet. The minute Gainwell, Henderson, Coxie, and Pollard got on the field, everyone knew that they were going to be fantastic players. Maybe there are players like Gibson on the roster; players that are going to have huge breakouts.

Obviously, all of it falls on the coach. He is responsible for the assistants, and to be recruiting at such a high level and not see not enough playmakers emerge on either side of the ball, is worrisome.

Drinkwitz - Appalachian State

So coaching for 15 years----as opposed to PENNY being in BB his entire life

The 15 year guy has the experience---the lifer does not

I said PENNY knew as much about BB as anyone who has ever lived---you said he lacked exp and needed help-- implying that PENNY was too dumb to have learned the game after a lifetime of being in it

You pizz on PENNYS knowledge/exp--but defend RUIN SILVERFIELDS knowledge/exp

Ruin Silverfield and his political BS agenda should be run out of town

Neither had ever been a head coach in college

Consistent much ?

Silverfield has enough experience to be a head coach, but obviously it is a work in progress. He isn't expected to know everything right away. Penny had no experience, but was qualified to be a coach at a major D1 program because of his experience in the NBA and his ability to recruit. He wasn't expected to know everything right away.

You aren't expected to know anything ever. Just a sad communist who holds everyone else to the highest standards, while having bottom of the barrel standards, who griping about having to pay $5 more for tickets at a brand new OCS.
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RE: Cut your losses and go get Freeze
(10-02-2021 08:21 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Ike Hope's all u Dudes can do a reality check and realize we really only had one good game and that was a CUPCAKE.
We were lucky to beat arky state and miz state was a freak win. I hope u Dudes aren't drinking to much Blue Koolaid.
Ike will say outside of Nichols the games were very exciting and even the Nichols game made the high lights with the fighting in the stands.
DITCH THE CUPCAKES

If we ditch the cupcakes - how many games would RUIN SILVERFIELD win
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RE: Cut your losses and go get Freeze
IKE's watching liberty and uab,, liberty is winning and they would be undefeated had they beat Syracuse, lost by 3
Ike believes they were to be the cuse CUPCAKE
Notre dame probably thought Cincinnati would be a CUPCAKE, a nice surprise they got, but Cincinnati has been playing a tough OOC schedule for awhile.
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anytime you let the players pick the head coach, it seems like a great idea but seldom ever works.
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RE: Cut your losses and go get Freeze
(10-02-2021 08:24 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(10-02-2021 08:21 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(10-02-2021 07:49 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(10-02-2021 07:20 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(10-02-2021 04:23 PM)batman Wrote:  Was never a fan of this hire. It felt more like, well he is already here, just give him the job.

It was like they zeroed in on either him or Barry Odom. Never understood that. Why not use the same process that got us Fuente and Norvell?

If you look at the names that moved, we would have possibly been in on some of them, or maybe we could have grabbed someone else. Who would have made us happy that might have taken the job?

P5
Lane Kiffin
Willie Taggart
Sam Pittman
Jeff Hafley
Mike Leach
Nick Rolovich
Dave Aranda
Mel Tucker
Karl Dorrell
Greg Schiano
Eli Drinkwitz

Non P5
Jeff Scott
Jeff Traylor
Ricky Rahne
Shawn Clark
Marcus Arroyo
Kalen DeBoer
Danny Gonzalez
Brady Hoke
Steve Addazio
Todd Graham

The first two on the list are coaches we MIGHT have had a shot at, but even that is a stretch. Traylor was at Texas, SMU and Arkansas, so his ties to Texas are deep. Scott would have been considered a very solid hire, but he is 2-12 at USF.

IMO, the issues are across the board, not limited to Silverfield.

- Johns doesn't seem to be a great play caller
- McIntyre seems old school to me, probably not a great recruiter, stubborn in his ways
- IMO, we don't have a single running back that is above average, and none with breakaway speed
- IMO, the younger wide receivers aren't stepping up yet
- It all centers around Henigan not being ready, and not being able to make up for it by being a dual threat.

Everyone crapping on Silverfield for not having experience is crazy. He had been in coaching for 15 years, and was mentored here by Norvell for 4 years before being given the job. It is easily arguable that none of the other hires would have been appreciably better than him on paper, and there were reasons why all of them wouldn't have been as good of a hire.

The bottom line, is that aside from Austin and Dykes, we don't have very good offensive players yet. The minute Gainwell, Henderson, Coxie, and Pollard got on the field, everyone knew that they were going to be fantastic players. Maybe there are players like Gibson on the roster; players that are going to have huge breakouts.

Obviously, all of it falls on the coach. He is responsible for the assistants, and to be recruiting at such a high level and not see not enough playmakers emerge on either side of the ball, is worrisome.

Drinkwitz - Appalachian State

So coaching for 15 years----as opposed to PENNY being in BB his entire life

The 15 year guy has the experience---the lifer does not

I said PENNY knew as much about BB as anyone who has ever lived---you said he lacked exp and needed help-- implying that PENNY was too dumb to have learned the game after a lifetime of being in it

You pizz on PENNYS knowledge/exp--but defend RUIN SILVERFIELDS knowledge/exp

Ruin Silverfield and his political BS agenda should be run out of town

Neither had ever been a head coach in college

Consistent much ?

Silverfield has enough experience to be a head coach, but obviously it is a work in progress. He isn't expected to know everything right away. Penny had no experience, but was qualified to be a coach at a major D1 program because of his experience in the NBA and his ability to recruit. He wasn't expected to know everything right away.

You aren't expected to know anything ever. Just a sad communist who holds everyone else to the highest standards, while having bottom of the barrel standards, who griping about having to pay $5 more for tickets at a brand new OCS.

Yet you said PENNY lacked the EXP and needed to hire an Exp Ast coach---because he couldn't even install an Offense

Seems like PENNY won a national title last year without BROWN
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RE: Cut your losses and go get Freeze
Lots of reasons for being a modest 3-2

A true freshman QB instead of a seasoned and bigger Arizona transfer is one of them

But Henigan makes some really good throws but his inexperience has shown, which is absolutely expected

Those above pointing out we are not Clemson are right. Dreams of being a Boise State which had what, ten consecutive years of ten wins or something like that are still out there, but tough. Need a win at Tulsa in a big way

And as to the original trolling in this thread, no to Freeze.
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RE: Cut your losses and go get Freeze
(10-02-2021 08:35 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Lots of reasons for being a modest 3-2

A true freshman QB instead of a seasoned and bigger Arizona transfer is one of them

But Henigan makes some really good throws but his inexperience has shown, which is absolutely expected

Those above pointing out we are not Clemson are right. Dreams of being a Boise State which had what, ten consecutive years of ten wins or something like that are still out there, but tough. Need a win at Tulsa in a big way

And as to the original trolling in this thread, no to Freeze.

Too much logic . They will need “hooked on phonics” to understand
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3ent
Ike hasn't a clue but, if u check our upcoming schedules we've got plenty and then the conference is a train wreck.
IKE's a pretty optimistic Dude but, if the A.D doesn't do something to upgrade our schedule we will be the CUPCAKE.
Fortunately the B.Ball program may be our backdoor to a decent conference.
Ike would be shocked if Silverfield isn't back next yr. However, if decent players start transferring it maybe to late.
TIGERNATION let's get this train back on the track and win out.
DITCH THE CUPCAKES and recruit the schedule
GTG
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RE: Cut your losses and go get Freeze
(10-02-2021 08:40 PM)memphisike Wrote:  3ent
Ike hasn't a clue but, if u check our upcoming schedules we've got plenty and then the conference is a train wreck.
IKE's a pretty optimistic Dude but, if the A.D doesn't do something to upgrade our schedule we will be the CUPCAKE.
Fortunately the B.Ball program may be our backdoor to a decent conference.
Ike would be shocked if Silverfield isn't back next yr. However, if decent players start transferring it maybe to late.
TIGERNATION let's get this train back on the track and win out.
DITCH THE CUPCAKES and recruit the schedule
GTG

Ike… is it ok to have cupcakes in basketball? Seems like we have lots of them
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RE: Cut your losses and go get Freeze
(10-02-2021 07:49 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(10-02-2021 07:20 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(10-02-2021 04:23 PM)batman Wrote:  Was never a fan of this hire. It felt more like, well he is already here, just give him the job.

It was like they zeroed in on either him or Barry Odom. Never understood that. Why not use the same process that got us Fuente and Norvell?

If you look at the names that moved, we would have possibly been in on some of them, or maybe we could have grabbed someone else. Who would have made us happy that might have taken the job?

P5
Lane Kiffin
Willie Taggart
Sam Pittman
Jeff Hafley
Mike Leach
Nick Rolovich
Dave Aranda
Mel Tucker
Karl Dorrell
Greg Schiano
Eli Drinkwitz

Non P5
Jeff Scott
Jeff Traylor
Ricky Rahne
Shawn Clark
Marcus Arroyo
Kalen DeBoer
Danny Gonzalez
Brady Hoke
Steve Addazio
Todd Graham
Eli Drinkwitz

Assume that we would have had to be first on coaches that ended up at P5 schools to get them, and even many of them don't seem like great hires.

The first two on the G5 list are coaches we MIGHT have had a shot at, but even that is a stretch. Traylor was at Texas, SMU and Arkansas, so his ties to Texas are deep. Scott would have been considered a very solid hire, but he is 2-12 at USF.

IMO, the issues are across the board, not limited to Silverfield.

- Johns doesn't seem to be a great play caller
- McIntyre seems old school to me, probably not a great recruiter, stubborn in his ways
- IMO, we don't have a single running back that is above average, and none with breakaway speed
- IMO, the younger wide receivers aren't stepping up yet
- It all centers around Henigan not being ready, and not being able to make up for it by being a dual threat.

Everyone crapping on Silverfield for not having experience is crazy. He had been in coaching for 15 years, and was mentored here by Norvell for 4 years before being given the job. It is easily arguable that none of the other hires would have been appreciably better than him on paper, and there were reasons why all of them wouldn't have been as good of a hire.

The bottom line, is that aside from Austin and Dykes, we don't have very good offensive players yet. The minute Gainwell, Henderson, Coxie, and Pollard got on the field, everyone knew that they were going to be fantastic players. Maybe there are players like Gibson on the roster; players that are going to have huge breakouts.

Obviously, all of it falls on the coach. He is responsible for the assistants, and to be recruiting at such a high level and not see not enough playmakers emerge on either side of the ball, is worrisome.

Replace the DC. If he doesn't do that, then we may need to consider more drastic measures. He has to do something....
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RE: Cut your losses and go get Freeze
(10-02-2021 08:29 PM)TigerinFL Wrote:  anytime you let the players pick the head coach, it seems like a great idea but seldom ever works.

Exactly
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RE: Cut your losses and go get Freeze
(10-02-2021 08:31 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(10-02-2021 08:24 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(10-02-2021 08:21 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(10-02-2021 07:49 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(10-02-2021 07:20 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  It was like they zeroed in on either him or Barry Odom. Never understood that. Why not use the same process that got us Fuente and Norvell?

If you look at the names that moved, we would have possibly been in on some of them, or maybe we could have grabbed someone else. Who would have made us happy that might have taken the job?

P5
Lane Kiffin
Willie Taggart
Sam Pittman
Jeff Hafley
Mike Leach
Nick Rolovich
Dave Aranda
Mel Tucker
Karl Dorrell
Greg Schiano
Eli Drinkwitz

Non P5
Jeff Scott
Jeff Traylor
Ricky Rahne
Shawn Clark
Marcus Arroyo
Kalen DeBoer
Danny Gonzalez
Brady Hoke
Steve Addazio
Todd Graham

The first two on the list are coaches we MIGHT have had a shot at, but even that is a stretch. Traylor was at Texas, SMU and Arkansas, so his ties to Texas are deep. Scott would have been considered a very solid hire, but he is 2-12 at USF.

IMO, the issues are across the board, not limited to Silverfield.

- Johns doesn't seem to be a great play caller
- McIntyre seems old school to me, probably not a great recruiter, stubborn in his ways
- IMO, we don't have a single running back that is above average, and none with breakaway speed
- IMO, the younger wide receivers aren't stepping up yet
- It all centers around Henigan not being ready, and not being able to make up for it by being a dual threat.

Everyone crapping on Silverfield for not having experience is crazy. He had been in coaching for 15 years, and was mentored here by Norvell for 4 years before being given the job. It is easily arguable that none of the other hires would have been appreciably better than him on paper, and there were reasons why all of them wouldn't have been as good of a hire.

The bottom line, is that aside from Austin and Dykes, we don't have very good offensive players yet. The minute Gainwell, Henderson, Coxie, and Pollard got on the field, everyone knew that they were going to be fantastic players. Maybe there are players like Gibson on the roster; players that are going to have huge breakouts.

Obviously, all of it falls on the coach. He is responsible for the assistants, and to be recruiting at such a high level and not see not enough playmakers emerge on either side of the ball, is worrisome.

Drinkwitz - Appalachian State

So coaching for 15 years----as opposed to PENNY being in BB his entire life

The 15 year guy has the experience---the lifer does not

I said PENNY knew as much about BB as anyone who has ever lived---you said he lacked exp and needed help-- implying that PENNY was too dumb to have learned the game after a lifetime of being in it

You pizz on PENNYS knowledge/exp--but defend RUIN SILVERFIELDS knowledge/exp

Ruin Silverfield and his political BS agenda should be run out of town

Neither had ever been a head coach in college

Consistent much ?

Silverfield has enough experience to be a head coach, but obviously it is a work in progress. He isn't expected to know everything right away. Penny had no experience, but was qualified to be a coach at a major D1 program because of his experience in the NBA and his ability to recruit. He wasn't expected to know everything right away.

You aren't expected to know anything ever. Just a sad communist who holds everyone else to the highest standards, while having bottom of the barrel standards, who griping about having to pay $5 more for tickets at a brand new OCS.

Yet you said PENNY lacked the EXP and needed to hire an Exp Ast coach---because he couldn't even install an Offense

Seems like PENNY won a national title last year without BROWN

Where did I say that? Link Jethro. Stick to crying like a disenfranchised communist if we get an OCS.
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(10-02-2021 09:07 PM)SpiderMan79x Wrote:  
(10-02-2021 08:29 PM)TigerinFL Wrote:  anytime you let the players pick the head coach, it seems like a great idea but seldom ever works.

Exactly

It worked for USC and Helton. Oh wait
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(10-02-2021 02:54 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  While it is unclear if Ryan is failing...I think Freeze is a better coach.

He is but when Freeze was brought up before Silverfield was hired many on here when 'ape s h i t'.

Silverfield may or may not turn out to be a good coach - Freeze is already a really good to great coach.
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I doubt if Freeze would be hired. Too many people know about what went on at BHS with the coeds and pictures he took.
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