(09-26-2021 11:24 AM)biglizard Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 11:04 AM)The WEST is the BEST Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 09:05 AM)davi78239 Wrote:  That just makes me mad that some are talking about our coach being gone. I personally don’t think so yet even after this year. What gets me though is how UAB still has Bill Clark and like La Techs coach, pretty good program bowl eligible every year except what, 2013?? How is it that the minute we get good, our coach is gone?? Even with Frank Wilson the rumor mill started churning for that 3-0 start in 2017. Jesus Christ we’re still a young program let us build something here for awhile!! We would like to become a La Tech or a UAB too at some point. He goes and this young program might go in the toilet again and we don’t need that. Still trying to get T Shirt UT fans to buy in and it’s hard. Only way to do that is by winning and winning very consistently to include the bowls. This town has been greatly spoiled by the Spurs success of past and will only show up by winning a ton. Those early attendance years by us when we were averaging 35k plus against even nobody’s like Bacone and some other D2’s I’m thinking cause the toy was still new and shiny. But once the novelty wore off and with some pretty bad seasons, people stopped showing up and I guess went back hook ‘em horns, which has long been entrenched in San Antonio’s culture forever. Them and the damn Dallas Cowboys(sorry if I made someone mad just now). But yea, just my rant this morning. Oh and believe me, we ain’t taking La Tech lightly as they still own us big time. Only last year and in Skips first year in 2013 have we beaten them. And last year they were manhandling us at home until Jeff Traylor (surprise surprise) lit a fire up their assess at the half and we came out and came back to win at the end.

Paragraphs are nice. ;-)

The fact is if a young first-time coach has success, and success at a program with challenges, he will draw interest from other programs. At some point, you will not be able to afford to retain his services if he keeps on winning. But for the immediate future, you need to increase his competition to avoid him pursuing other opportunities.
If UTSA is not willing to invest in him, then why should he invest in UTSA?

Agree about paragraphs :)

But he’s a Texas guy much like Bill is an Alabama guy. Both are heavily invested in their home states and both schools took chances on relatively unproven college commodities. Both schools hit paydirt. I think it would take someone with an absolutely perfect situation to get either one especially if both schools continue to invest in the programs.

We are in agreement on this issue. UTSA must continue to invest in its program, and that means the compensation packages of its coaches. Bill is unique in that he hasn't left UAB for greener pastures. If a school can keep a hot coach for four to five years they've done well. Houston was a great model in this method. Briles brought the program back from their death bed. They continued to adjust his compensation package and provided additional support staff. When Briles left for Baylor there was strong interest in the UH program and they hired one of the best OCs in Sumlin. Sumlin moves to TAMU and they bring in Herman from Ohio State who leaves for UT. A good program at this level that has achieved success will be popular for proven coordinators and young coaches on the rise. As long as they continue to invest in the program.

You could see UTSA had something working in our bowl game last year. It seems they are set up for continued success.

(09-27-2021 08:39 AM)The WEST is the BEST Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 11:24 AM)biglizard Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 11:04 AM)The WEST is the BEST Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 09:05 AM)davi78239 Wrote:  That just makes me mad that some are talking about our coach being gone. I personally don’t think so yet even after this year. What gets me though is how UAB still has Bill Clark and like La Techs coach, pretty good program bowl eligible every year except what, 2013?? How is it that the minute we get good, our coach is gone?? Even with Frank Wilson the rumor mill started churning for that 3-0 start in 2017. Jesus Christ we’re still a young program let us build something here for awhile!! We would like to become a La Tech or a UAB too at some point. He goes and this young program might go in the toilet again and we don’t need that. Still trying to get T Shirt UT fans to buy in and it’s hard. Only way to do that is by winning and winning very consistently to include the bowls. This town has been greatly spoiled by the Spurs success of past and will only show up by winning a ton. Those early attendance years by us when we were averaging 35k plus against even nobody’s like Bacone and some other D2’s I’m thinking cause the toy was still new and shiny. But once the novelty wore off and with some pretty bad seasons, people stopped showing up and I guess went back hook ‘em horns, which has long been entrenched in San Antonio’s culture forever. Them and the damn Dallas Cowboys(sorry if I made someone mad just now). But yea, just my rant this morning. Oh and believe me, we ain’t taking La Tech lightly as they still own us big time. Only last year and in Skips first year in 2013 have we beaten them. And last year they were manhandling us at home until Jeff Traylor (surprise surprise) lit a fire up their assess at the half and we came out and came back to win at the end.

Paragraphs are nice. ;-)

The fact is if a young first-time coach has success, and success at a program with challenges, he will draw interest from other programs. At some point, you will not be able to afford to retain his services if he keeps on winning. But for the immediate future, you need to increase his competition to avoid him pursuing other opportunities.
If UTSA is not willing to invest in him, then why should he invest in UTSA?

Agree about paragraphs :)

But he’s a Texas guy much like Bill is an Alabama guy. Both are heavily invested in their home states and both schools took chances on relatively unproven college commodities. Both schools hit paydirt. I think it would take someone with an absolutely perfect situation to get either one especially if both schools continue to invest in the programs.

We are in agreement on this issue. UTSA must continue to invest in its program, and that means the compensation packages of its coaches. Bill is unique in that he hasn't left UAB for greener pastures. If a school can keep a hot coach for four to five years they've done well. Houston was a great model in this method. Briles brought the program back from their death bed. They continued to adjust his compensation package and provided additional support staff. When Briles left for Baylor there was strong interest in the UH program and they hired one of the best OCs in Sumlin. Sumlin moves to TAMU and they bring in Herman from Ohio State who leaves for UT. A good program at this level that has achieved success will be popular for proven coordinators and young coaches on the rise. As long as they continue to invest in the program.

This has nothing to do with your very excellent point, but where are Briles, Sumlin, and Herman now?

(09-27-2021 08:54 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 08:39 AM)The WEST is the BEST Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 11:24 AM)biglizard Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 11:04 AM)The WEST is the BEST Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 09:05 AM)davi78239 Wrote:  That just makes me mad that some are talking about our coach being gone. I personally don’t think so yet even after this year. What gets me though is how UAB still has Bill Clark and like La Techs coach, pretty good program bowl eligible every year except what, 2013?? How is it that the minute we get good, our coach is gone?? Even with Frank Wilson the rumor mill started churning for that 3-0 start in 2017. Jesus Christ we’re still a young program let us build something here for awhile!! We would like to become a La Tech or a UAB too at some point. He goes and this young program might go in the toilet again and we don’t need that. Still trying to get T Shirt UT fans to buy in and it’s hard. Only way to do that is by winning and winning very consistently to include the bowls. This town has been greatly spoiled by the Spurs success of past and will only show up by winning a ton. Those early attendance years by us when we were averaging 35k plus against even nobody’s like Bacone and some other D2’s I’m thinking cause the toy was still new and shiny. But once the novelty wore off and with some pretty bad seasons, people stopped showing up and I guess went back hook ‘em horns, which has long been entrenched in San Antonio’s culture forever. Them and the damn Dallas Cowboys(sorry if I made someone mad just now). But yea, just my rant this morning. Oh and believe me, we ain’t taking La Tech lightly as they still own us big time. Only last year and in Skips first year in 2013 have we beaten them. And last year they were manhandling us at home until Jeff Traylor (surprise surprise) lit a fire up their assess at the half and we came out and came back to win at the end.

Paragraphs are nice. ;-)

The fact is if a young first-time coach has success, and success at a program with challenges, he will draw interest from other programs. At some point, you will not be able to afford to retain his services if he keeps on winning. But for the immediate future, you need to increase his competition to avoid him pursuing other opportunities.
If UTSA is not willing to invest in him, then why should he invest in UTSA?

Agree about paragraphs :)

But he’s a Texas guy much like Bill is an Alabama guy. Both are heavily invested in their home states and both schools took chances on relatively unproven college commodities. Both schools hit paydirt. I think it would take someone with an absolutely perfect situation to get either one especially if both schools continue to invest in the programs.

We are in agreement on this issue. UTSA must continue to invest in its program, and that means the compensation packages of its coaches. Bill is unique in that he hasn't left UAB for greener pastures. If a school can keep a hot coach for four to five years they've done well. Houston was a great model in this method. Briles brought the program back from their death bed. They continued to adjust his compensation package and provided additional support staff. When Briles left for Baylor there was strong interest in the UH program and they hired one of the best OCs in Sumlin. Sumlin moves to TAMU and they bring in Herman from Ohio State who leaves for UT. A good program at this level that has achieved success will be popular for proven coordinators and young coaches on the rise. As long as they continue to invest in the program.

This has nothing to do with your very excellent point, but where are Briles, Sumlin, and Herman now?

Wherever they want to be... enjoying the fruits of all that money they were paid.

(09-27-2021 08:54 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 08:39 AM)The WEST is the BEST Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 11:24 AM)biglizard Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 11:04 AM)The WEST is the BEST Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 09:05 AM)davi78239 Wrote:  That just makes me mad that some are talking about our coach being gone. I personally don’t think so yet even after this year. What gets me though is how UAB still has Bill Clark and like La Techs coach, pretty good program bowl eligible every year except what, 2013?? How is it that the minute we get good, our coach is gone?? Even with Frank Wilson the rumor mill started churning for that 3-0 start in 2017. Jesus Christ we’re still a young program let us build something here for awhile!! We would like to become a La Tech or a UAB too at some point. He goes and this young program might go in the toilet again and we don’t need that. Still trying to get T Shirt UT fans to buy in and it’s hard. Only way to do that is by winning and winning very consistently to include the bowls. This town has been greatly spoiled by the Spurs success of past and will only show up by winning a ton. Those early attendance years by us when we were averaging 35k plus against even nobody’s like Bacone and some other D2’s I’m thinking cause the toy was still new and shiny. But once the novelty wore off and with some pretty bad seasons, people stopped showing up and I guess went back hook ‘em horns, which has long been entrenched in San Antonio’s culture forever. Them and the damn Dallas Cowboys(sorry if I made someone mad just now). But yea, just my rant this morning. Oh and believe me, we ain’t taking La Tech lightly as they still own us big time. Only last year and in Skips first year in 2013 have we beaten them. And last year they were manhandling us at home until Jeff Traylor (surprise surprise) lit a fire up their assess at the half and we came out and came back to win at the end.

Paragraphs are nice. ;-)

The fact is if a young first-time coach has success, and success at a program with challenges, he will draw interest from other programs. At some point, you will not be able to afford to retain his services if he keeps on winning. But for the immediate future, you need to increase his competition to avoid him pursuing other opportunities.
If UTSA is not willing to invest in him, then why should he invest in UTSA?

Agree about paragraphs :)

But he’s a Texas guy much like Bill is an Alabama guy. Both are heavily invested in their home states and both schools took chances on relatively unproven college commodities. Both schools hit paydirt. I think it would take someone with an absolutely perfect situation to get either one especially if both schools continue to invest in the programs.

We are in agreement on this issue. UTSA must continue to invest in its program, and that means the compensation packages of its coaches. Bill is unique in that he hasn't left UAB for greener pastures. If a school can keep a hot coach for four to five years they've done well. Houston was a great model in this method. Briles brought the program back from their death bed. They continued to adjust his compensation package and provided additional support staff. When Briles left for Baylor there was strong interest in the UH program and they hired one of the best OCs in Sumlin. Sumlin moves to TAMU and they bring in Herman from Ohio State who leaves for UT. A good program at this level that has achieved success will be popular for proven coordinators and young coaches on the rise. As long as they continue to invest in the program.

This has nothing to do with your very excellent point, but where are Briles, Sumlin, and Herman now?

Herman is an Advisor to Chicago Bears.
Briles waiting on the next offer. Which will be this year as he is a good coach. He would be great at G5 schools.
Briles last I heard was enjoying retirement and working on his lawsuit against Baylor.

(09-26-2021 03:31 PM)MUther Wrote:  If someone wants these coaches they're gone anyway. If they don't you're sitting on a dud with an extended contract.

Stockstil
Doc
Littrell
Holtz

I'm sure there are more. All got extensions. None were recruited to go somewhere else. Better to keep them hungry and fire-able. If they were truly next level coaches they would be at the next level.

We do agree, every once in a while. Always pay your coach fairly for what he has done but always fit that into what your school can afford to buyout.

Not one of us can afford to match what the lowest team from a P5 school can offer.

(09-27-2021 10:13 AM)The WEST is the BEST Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 08:54 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 08:39 AM)The WEST is the BEST Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 11:24 AM)biglizard Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 11:04 AM)The WEST is the BEST Wrote:  Paragraphs are nice. ;-)

The fact is if a young first-time coach has success, and success at a program with challenges, he will draw interest from other programs. At some point, you will not be able to afford to retain his services if he keeps on winning. But for the immediate future, you need to increase his competition to avoid him pursuing other opportunities.
If UTSA is not willing to invest in him, then why should he invest in UTSA?

Agree about paragraphs :)

But he’s a Texas guy much like Bill is an Alabama guy. Both are heavily invested in their home states and both schools took chances on relatively unproven college commodities. Both schools hit paydirt. I think it would take someone with an absolutely perfect situation to get either one especially if both schools continue to invest in the programs.

We are in agreement on this issue. UTSA must continue to invest in its program, and that means the compensation packages of its coaches. Bill is unique in that he hasn't left UAB for greener pastures. If a school can keep a hot coach for four to five years they've done well. Houston was a great model in this method. Briles brought the program back from their death bed. They continued to adjust his compensation package and provided additional support staff. When Briles left for Baylor there was strong interest in the UH program and they hired one of the best OCs in Sumlin. Sumlin moves to TAMU and they bring in Herman from Ohio State who leaves for UT. A good program at this level that has achieved success will be popular for proven coordinators and young coaches on the rise. As long as they continue to invest in the program.

This has nothing to do with your very excellent point, but where are Briles, Sumlin, and Herman now?

Herman is an Advisor to Chicago Bears.
Briles waiting on the next offer. Which will be this year as he is a good coach. He would be great at G5 schools.
Briles last I heard was enjoying retirement and working on his lawsuit against Baylor.

Was the first Briles supposed to be Sumlin?

(09-27-2021 06:41 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 10:13 AM)The WEST is the BEST Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 08:54 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 08:39 AM)The WEST is the BEST Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 11:24 AM)biglizard Wrote:  Agree about paragraphs :)

But he’s a Texas guy much like Bill is an Alabama guy. Both are heavily invested in their home states and both schools took chances on relatively unproven college commodities. Both schools hit paydirt. I think it would take someone with an absolutely perfect situation to get either one especially if both schools continue to invest in the programs.

We are in agreement on this issue. UTSA must continue to invest in its program, and that means the compensation packages of its coaches. Bill is unique in that he hasn't left UAB for greener pastures. If a school can keep a hot coach for four to five years they've done well. Houston was a great model in this method. Briles brought the program back from their death bed. They continued to adjust his compensation package and provided additional support staff. When Briles left for Baylor there was strong interest in the UH program and they hired one of the best OCs in Sumlin. Sumlin moves to TAMU and they bring in Herman from Ohio State who leaves for UT. A good program at this level that has achieved success will be popular for proven coordinators and young coaches on the rise. As long as they continue to invest in the program.

This has nothing to do with your very excellent point, but where are Briles, Sumlin, and Herman now?

Herman is an Advisor to Chicago Bears.
Briles waiting on the next offer. Which will be this year as he is a good coach. He would be great at G5 schools.
Briles last I heard was enjoying retirement and working on his lawsuit against Baylor.

Was the first Briles supposed to be Sumlin?

Good pickup!

Coach Traylor just got an extension and his new buyout after this season will be over $2mil

(09-30-2021 11:23 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Coach Traylor just got an extension and his new buyout after this season will be over $2mil

Good for UTSA. Where did Traylor come from prior to UTSA?

I think he was the running backs coach at Arkansas

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Texas Tech President and AD were in San Antonio to interview UTSA's Coach Traylor today morning. Coach Traylor seems to be Tech's #1 target.

Doesn't matter if UTSA offers Traylor 3 mil a season, if he wants to coach at a P5 school he'll leave.

(10-28-2021 03:07 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Doesn't matter if UTSA offers Traylor 3 mil a season, if he wants to coach at a P5 school he'll leave.

it is more than just money. at a P5 he would coach against other p5 and determine whether he has what it takes. Hence there is a risk for ttu to take a g5 hc ... like matt wells. but at least he has hc experience, unlike kingsbury. Traylor also knows texas high schools.

(10-28-2021 03:12 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(10-28-2021 03:07 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Doesn't matter if UTSA offers Traylor 3 mil a season, if he wants to coach at a P5 school he'll leave.

it is more than just money. at a P5 he would coach against other p5 and determine whether you have what it takes. Hence there is a risk for ttu to take a g5 hc ... like matt wells. but at least he has hc experience, unlike kingsbury.

I dont think Texas Tech is his preferred destination. I would think it would be Baylor or TCU. Or maybe Texas A&M or even Texas.

(10-28-2021 03:12 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(10-28-2021 03:07 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Doesn't matter if UTSA offers Traylor 3 mil a season, if he wants to coach at a P5 school he'll leave.

it is more than just money. at a P5 he would coach against other p5 and determine whether he has what it takes. Hence there is a risk for ttu to take a g5 hc ... like matt wells. but at least he has hc experience, unlike kingsbury. Traylor also knows texas high schools.

Ok scratch money from the equation, if Traylor wants to coach at a P5 school then he will regardless what UTSA offers him. Plenty of P5 programs have hired G5 coaches and there is always a risk in hiring a new coach regardless.

My point was related to the OP saying UTSA should extend his contract and pay him more. It wouldn't matter if UTSA did that if it is a desire for Traylor to coach at the P5 level.

Over at Tech boards, they are saying the new coach will be offered $3.5M, there is no way UTSA can offer more than $2M to Traylor.

I hate to sound like a broken record but Littrell waited for a better opportunity and now he's getting run out of town. Strike while the iron is hot.

(09-27-2021 08:48 AM)ragin4u Wrote:  You could see UTSA had something working in our bowl game last year. It seems they are set up for continued success.

For the record, UTSA is on an 11-game win streak in games where he was actually on the sidelines coaching. Coach Traylor and about three other assistant coaches weren't there for our bowl game against you guys last year because they were diagnosed with COVID days before.

(10-28-2021 03:20 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(10-28-2021 03:12 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(10-28-2021 03:07 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Doesn't matter if UTSA offers Traylor 3 mil a season, if he wants to coach at a P5 school he'll leave.

it is more than just money. at a P5 he would coach against other p5 and determine whether he has what it takes. Hence there is a risk for ttu to take a g5 hc ... like matt wells. but at least he has hc experience, unlike kingsbury. Traylor also knows texas high schools.

Ok scratch money from the equation, if Traylor wants to coach at a P5 school then he will regardless what UTSA offers him. Plenty of P5 programs have hired G5 coaches and there is always a risk in hiring a new coach regardless.

My point was related to the OP saying UTSA should extend his contract and pay him more. It wouldn't matter if UTSA did that if it is a desire for Traylor to coach at the P5 level.

The main reason to extend his contract would be to up his buyout to the school if he leaves early. The negative is that also leads to a higher buyout payable to him if he doesn't leave and then tanks (Littrell).