(09-22-2021 06:22 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 06:08 AM)Phillip26r Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 11:24 AM)griffin Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 09:55 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 10:22 PM)griffin Wrote:  A capital campaign for something like this:

1) More than half would be raised before they ever announced it - on purpose
2) They would know where another significant portion was coming from and would be working on closing it
3) What Rudd did this week was to send a message to the State - if we are doing this, they need to help pay something to help us catch up - and there is a story here with visiting fans from a P5 league would bring in a tremendous amount of sales tax revenue
4) Had to be done with average fans donating with a commitment, which will probably over 5 years to pay it off - the personal commitments I mean here
5) A portion will be financed - prob 25%
6) The majority of tickets will have a donation attached to them - best guess 75% used to pay off the debt service initially then for CAPEX spending after

Based on what was shared awhile back, this still would be part of the existing overall strategy of taking over Audubon Park and golf course from the City - which becomes very political as well as taking all homes between the university and Audubon park. More than enough room for everything.

The economic impact to business on Park Avenue and Highland would explode.

This plan exists today.

To raise $50 million quickly, you would need your top 7,500 supporters to step up to buy seat licenses for each seat.

2,500 supporters making a one time donation of $10,000 for each seat
5,000 supporters making a one time donation of $5,000 for each seat

That might be stretching it, but I would guess that our football fanbase is around 7,500 that contribute a lot, a core of 25,000 that will attend most games, another 5,000 - 15,000 that will go to a few games, and top that off for truly marquee games.

The seat licenses would either be permanent, or could be for 10, 15, or 20 years. Not a bad deal at all for the rights to luxury boxes or prime seating for all events.

$ 200 M Stadium

1) $ 20 M - Naming Rights deal - FedEx (Houston/Cincy/UCF - all have $ 15M deals)
2) $ 20 M - State funding
3) $ 50 M - 5,000 seats x $ 10,000 Seat donation (donation to new name capex 503c to get tax write off, as of 2018 can't write off unless set up on capital campaign etc) - My guess is play in this mix of seat location/suites - w range of donation levels to make target
4) $ 10 M - Other Naming Rights deals inside stadium
5) $ 20 M - Stadium Capital Campaign - similar to "Time to Shine for Basketball and Football Facilities" A) Large Donors Net New Ambassadors and Existing Ambassadors
6) $ 20 M - Student Activity Fee ($ 100 per semester x 20K students over 5 years) - good discussion could be had around the federal government forgiving student loan debt anyway - if so, at least other schools would be helping us in this regard.
7) $ 60 M - Loan/Bonds - last plan

Just a quick shot of what it could look like - doing this on the fly.

I would think all of those today are doable with a good bit of work and vision. I would say #2 could happen w a good strategic plush and #3 is probable but the most questionable based on fan base

It's definitely something that could happen

Does not include land acquisition cost, new infrastructure cost which would need another funding strategy - this is where the State as well would need to help in a big way along with the city on the infrastructure.

$10k per seat would be easier to raise via psl. More people could/would participate if they were buying something they could sell.

I don’t want a stadium that ends up a laughing stock bouncy house. That’s what you would get by the time we would get a stadium with an approval, funding, and build timeline starting this year.

It sure hurt UCF. Not to mention, most people from elsewhere find the Liberty Bowl to be a laughing stock or a dump.

(09-22-2021 07:22 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 06:22 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 06:08 AM)Phillip26r Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 11:24 AM)griffin Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 09:55 AM)Stammers Wrote:  To raise $50 million quickly, you would need your top 7,500 supporters to step up to buy seat licenses for each seat.

2,500 supporters making a one time donation of $10,000 for each seat
5,000 supporters making a one time donation of $5,000 for each seat

That might be stretching it, but I would guess that our football fanbase is around 7,500 that contribute a lot, a core of 25,000 that will attend most games, another 5,000 - 15,000 that will go to a few games, and top that off for truly marquee games.

The seat licenses would either be permanent, or could be for 10, 15, or 20 years. Not a bad deal at all for the rights to luxury boxes or prime seating for all events.

$ 200 M Stadium

1) $ 20 M - Naming Rights deal - FedEx (Houston/Cincy/UCF - all have $ 15M deals)
2) $ 20 M - State funding
3) $ 50 M - 5,000 seats x $ 10,000 Seat donation (donation to new name capex 503c to get tax write off, as of 2018 can't write off unless set up on capital campaign etc) - My guess is play in this mix of seat location/suites - w range of donation levels to make target
4) $ 10 M - Other Naming Rights deals inside stadium
5) $ 20 M - Stadium Capital Campaign - similar to "Time to Shine for Basketball and Football Facilities" A) Large Donors Net New Ambassadors and Existing Ambassadors
6) $ 20 M - Student Activity Fee ($ 100 per semester x 20K students over 5 years) - good discussion could be had around the federal government forgiving student loan debt anyway - if so, at least other schools would be helping us in this regard.
7) $ 60 M - Loan/Bonds - last plan

Just a quick shot of what it could look like - doing this on the fly.

I would think all of those today are doable with a good bit of work and vision. I would say #2 could happen w a good strategic plush and #3 is probable but the most questionable based on fan base

It's definitely something that could happen

Does not include land acquisition cost, new infrastructure cost which would need another funding strategy - this is where the State as well would need to help in a big way along with the city on the infrastructure.

$10k per seat would be easier to raise via psl. More people could/would participate if they were buying something they could sell.

I don’t want a stadium that ends up a laughing stock bouncy house. That’s what you would get by the time we would get a stadium with an approval, funding, and build timeline starting this year.

It sure hurt UCF. Not to mention, most people from elsewhere find the Liberty Bowl to be a laughing stock or a dump.

I didn’t realize UCF’s stadium was a laughingstock. We may laugh about it here, but others see this:



Last laugh > UCF

(09-22-2021 08:00 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 07:22 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 06:22 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 06:08 AM)Phillip26r Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 11:24 AM)griffin Wrote:  $ 200 M Stadium

1) $ 20 M - Naming Rights deal - FedEx (Houston/Cincy/UCF - all have $ 15M deals)
2) $ 20 M - State funding
3) $ 50 M - 5,000 seats x $ 10,000 Seat donation (donation to new name capex 503c to get tax write off, as of 2018 can't write off unless set up on capital campaign etc) - My guess is play in this mix of seat location/suites - w range of donation levels to make target
4) $ 10 M - Other Naming Rights deals inside stadium
5) $ 20 M - Stadium Capital Campaign - similar to "Time to Shine for Basketball and Football Facilities" A) Large Donors Net New Ambassadors and Existing Ambassadors
6) $ 20 M - Student Activity Fee ($ 100 per semester x 20K students over 5 years) - good discussion could be had around the federal government forgiving student loan debt anyway - if so, at least other schools would be helping us in this regard.
7) $ 60 M - Loan/Bonds - last plan

Just a quick shot of what it could look like - doing this on the fly.

I would think all of those today are doable with a good bit of work and vision. I would say #2 could happen w a good strategic plush and #3 is probable but the most questionable based on fan base

It's definitely something that could happen

Does not include land acquisition cost, new infrastructure cost which would need another funding strategy - this is where the State as well would need to help in a big way along with the city on the infrastructure.

$10k per seat would be easier to raise via psl. More people could/would participate if they were buying something they could sell.

I don’t want a stadium that ends up a laughing stock bouncy house. That’s what you would get by the time we would get a stadium with an approval, funding, and build timeline starting this year.

It sure hurt UCF. Not to mention, most people from elsewhere find the Liberty Bowl to be a laughing stock or a dump.

I didn’t realize UCF’s stadium was a laughingstock. We may laugh about it here, but others see this:



Last laugh > UCF

That's not what it looks like today, though. Those are renderings for the future.

(09-22-2021 08:26 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 08:00 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 07:22 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 06:22 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 06:08 AM)Phillip26r Wrote:  $10k per seat would be easier to raise via psl. More people could/would participate if they were buying something they could sell.

I don’t want a stadium that ends up a laughing stock bouncy house. That’s what you would get by the time we would get a stadium with an approval, funding, and build timeline starting this year.

It sure hurt UCF. Not to mention, most people from elsewhere find the Liberty Bowl to be a laughing stock or a dump.

I didn’t realize UCF’s stadium was a laughingstock. We may laugh about it here, but others see this:



Last laugh > UCF

That's not what it looks like today, though. Those are renderings for the future.

Actually that is exactly how the stands look today. The rendering shows the new entrance.

(09-22-2021 08:26 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 08:00 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 07:22 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 06:22 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 06:08 AM)Phillip26r Wrote:  $10k per seat would be easier to raise via psl. More people could/would participate if they were buying something they could sell.

I don’t want a stadium that ends up a laughing stock bouncy house. That’s what you would get by the time we would get a stadium with an approval, funding, and build timeline starting this year.

It sure hurt UCF. Not to mention, most people from elsewhere find the Liberty Bowl to be a laughing stock or a dump.

I didn’t realize UCF’s stadium was a laughingstock. We may laugh about it here, but others see this:



Last laugh > UCF

That's not what it looks like today, though. Those are renderings for the future.

Either way, it looks better than this:

(09-22-2021 08:35 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 08:26 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 08:00 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 07:22 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 06:22 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  I don’t want a stadium that ends up a laughing stock bouncy house. That’s what you would get by the time we would get a stadium with an approval, funding, and build timeline starting this year.

It sure hurt UCF. Not to mention, most people from elsewhere find the Liberty Bowl to be a laughing stock or a dump.

I didn’t realize UCF’s stadium was a laughingstock. We may laugh about it here, but others see this:



Last laugh > UCF

That's not what it looks like today, though. Those are renderings for the future.

Actually that is exactly how the stands look today. The rendering shows the new entrance.

Actually that is exactly not how the stadium looks today. The rendering shows a new entrance way, new building where loge type seats will be, new suite seats, new coaches office, new lazy river, and new sections rising on the north side.

(09-22-2021 02:21 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 08:35 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 08:26 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 08:00 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 07:22 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  It sure hurt UCF. Not to mention, most people from elsewhere find the Liberty Bowl to be a laughing stock or a dump.

I didn’t realize UCF’s stadium was a laughingstock. We may laugh about it here, but others see this:



Last laugh > UCF

That's not what it looks like today, though. Those are renderings for the future.

Actually that is exactly how the stands look today. The rendering shows the new entrance.

Actually that is exactly not how the stadium looks today. The rendering shows a new entrance way, new building where loge type seats will be, new suite seats, new coaches office, new lazy river, and new sections rising on the north side.

I said "stands" not stadium.

I'd still rather chunk $40k toward four PSLs than just a donation.

(09-17-2021 09:47 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 09:56 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 07:32 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  I would prefer an on-campus stadium to be on the main campus; otherwise, you're not bringing alums back to campus. A game at the South Campus or at Audubon Park would be just like a game at the Fairgrounds -- that is, alums won't be able to stroll through campus before or after the game unless they want to take a trip to the campus.

So if one of the objectives is getting alums back on campus, the stadium would have to be built at the main campus.

Focusing on the main campus, there are very few places to put a stadium capable of being expanded to 50,000-55,000 seats.

Google Maps view
Shelby County Assessor view

The University of Memphis campus, parcel # 046026 00001C, is owned by STATE OF TENNESSEE.

1. Eastern Edge across Zach Curlin/ aka Pumping Station
   
   • Owned by MLGW
   • Too small for stadium footprint unless pumping station and infrastructure removed.
     
2. Northern Edge (north of Central, south of Poplar, west of PDS/2nd Pres, east of Deloach including houses on both sides of Deloach)
   
   • All parcels (with one exception) are owned by one of the following:
     • STATE OF TENNESSEE
     • BOARD OF REGENTS STATE UNIV-COLL SYSTEM TN
     • STATE UNIVERSITY & COLLEGE SYSTEM OF TN
     • STATE OF TENNESSEE MPHS STATE
     • BOARD OF REGENTS ETAL
     • BD OF REGENTS OF AND FOR THE STATE
     • CITY OF MEMPHIS LIGHT G & W D (parcel 044113 00063)
     • BOARD OF REGENTS STATE UNIV AND COMMUNITY COLLEGE SYSTEM OF TENNESSEE
       
   • Several buildings would have to be razed including 23 homes along Deloach and Poplar, 17 apartment buildings in the Carpenter Housing Complex, Child Care Center, ~5 Center for Earthquake Research and Information buildings, Lipman Early Learning & Research Center
   • 22 luxury townhome units (avg $550,000) in Bremington Place
   • Bremington Place splits the larger parcel in half. The university would have to buy out the home owners and the HOA.
   • The new music school is currently under construction in the Central lot on the north side of Central.
     
3. Western Edge aka the proposed future Gateway (east of Highland, south of Central, west of Patterson, north of Southern/Walker)
   
   • The UofM/state has been purchasing parcels along Norriswood
   • Most, but not all, parcels along Watuaga have been purchased by the school
   • Few parcels along Midland have been purchased by the school, while most belong to other parties
   • Recent and current construction along Mynders owned by other parties
   • No parcels owned by the school along Walker
   • No parcels owned by the school along Southern
     
   
   The only area that could accommodate a stadium approaching the footprint size of the Liberty Bowl is the area south of Richardson between Norriswood on the north and Midland on the South.
   
   You could tear down the dorms along DeSoto, use some of the track area by the Field House and some of the lawn by the McWherter Library, and reroute a portion of Zach Curlin in semi-circle around the edge of the stadium.
   
   I imagine the cost to remove the pumping station infrastructure would be cost prohibitive. Also, I assume another pumping station would have to be built to replace it.
   
   There are options south of the RR tracks, but there are already plans for the student rec facilities.
   
   Interestingly, the land where the old Richardson Towers used to sit is owned by UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE (parcel 046001 00012C).

The Heery report identified 6 potential locations, I think only 2 are still feasible- south of the tracks in the area of the athletic office building and South Hall and along Zach Curlin behind the library or fieldhouse.

You can go on and scratch that one off your list - the new STEM academic building that will begin construction soon will eat up a good chunk of that space (although it will be right around the ellipse/library as opposed to the residence halls to the south.)

People suggesting they demolish residence halls for it aren't keeping the main thing the main thing...the newest residence hall on campus, Centennial Place, is currently at 98% capacity for this semester. That's a good thing - we need more on-campus housing, not less.

Lige Turman reference I love it!!

(09-22-2021 08:42 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 08:26 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 08:00 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 07:22 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 06:22 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  I don’t want a stadium that ends up a laughing stock bouncy house. That’s what you would get by the time we would get a stadium with an approval, funding, and build timeline starting this year.

It sure hurt UCF. Not to mention, most people from elsewhere find the Liberty Bowl to be a laughing stock or a dump.

I didn’t realize UCF’s stadium was a laughingstock. We may laugh about it here, but others see this:



Last laugh > UCF

That's not what it looks like today, though. Those are renderings for the future.

Either way, it looks better than this:

compare doak-campbell 1975 to today

the joke at doak and memphis had the liberty bowl

yeah, weve had this happen to us twice in my lifetime. now with ucf

(09-22-2021 03:05 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 08:42 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 08:26 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 08:00 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 07:22 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  It sure hurt UCF. Not to mention, most people from elsewhere find the Liberty Bowl to be a laughing stock or a dump.

I didn’t realize UCF’s stadium was a laughingstock. We may laugh about it here, but others see this:



Last laugh > UCF

That's not what it looks like today, though. Those are renderings for the future.

Either way, it looks better than this:

compare doak-campbell 1975 to today

the joke at doak and memphis had the liberty bowl

yeah, weve had this happen to us twice in my lifetime. now with ucf

Remember the first several times I visited Hemingway Stadium (don't think they had added Vaught at that time). It seemed virtually identical to Crump except it had a little curve along the sidelines but the same awful restrooms. OM has poured multiple millions into that dump & made it a pretty nice stadium. The difference is it's ON CAMPUS, it’s in a great location & when it's on campus, it makes logical sense to improve it. We need to find a location on campus where we can build, expand, improve as the years go by, long after we're gone.

ucf stadium has razor wire between sections

have many of yall have been there

(09-22-2021 02:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 02:21 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 08:35 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 08:26 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 08:00 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  I didn’t realize UCF’s stadium was a laughingstock. We may laugh about it here, but others see this:



Last laugh > UCF

That's not what it looks like today, though. Those are renderings for the future.

Actually that is exactly how the stands look today. The rendering shows the new entrance.

Actually that is exactly not how the stadium looks today. The rendering shows a new entrance way, new building where loge type seats will be, new suite seats, new coaches office, new lazy river, and new sections rising on the north side.

I said "stands" not stadium.

Who was talking about the stands lol.

(09-22-2021 08:42 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 08:26 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 08:00 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 07:22 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 06:22 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  I don’t want a stadium that ends up a laughing stock bouncy house. That’s what you would get by the time we would get a stadium with an approval, funding, and build timeline starting this year.

It sure hurt UCF. Not to mention, most people from elsewhere find the Liberty Bowl to be a laughing stock or a dump.

I didn’t realize UCF’s stadium was a laughingstock. We may laugh about it here, but others see this:



Last laugh > UCF

That's not what it looks like today, though. Those are renderings for the future.

Either way, it looks better than this:

Hey. That green rectangle might be missing an OCS, but it's still kinda sexy on it's own.