When Cincinnati moves to the Big12, it will mark the first time in decades that the combination of Louisville, Memphis and Cincinnati will be in 3 separate conferences.
Metro, Great Midwest, CUSA, Big East, AAC all had at least 2 of the 3 together. Might have been others but maybe the Missouri Valley. I'd have to look it up. Ok I did and all 3 were together in the Missouri Valley conference

(09-12-2021 09:01 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  When Cincinnati moves to the Big12, it will mark the first time in decades that the combination of Louisville, Memphis and Cincinnati will be in 3 separate conferences.
Metro, Great Midwest, CUSA, Big East, AAC all had at least 2 of the 3 together. Might have been others but maybe the Missouri Valley. I'd have to look it up. Ok I did and all 3 were together in the Missouri Valley conference

In a perfect world, the Big 12 expands with West Virginia, TCU, Louisville and Cincinnati in 2012. Between then and now, they could have added Memphis, UCF, USF and BYU as well.


To your point, those three should be together. However, at least Cincinnati is now part of the club.

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(09-10-2021 04:07 PM)Psicosis Wrote:  More hot takes from a proven insider!

https://csnbbs.com/thread-926610-post-17...id17543648

"I don't think they want to go to 9 games without Texas and Oklahoma. Playing Cincy and UCF is just such a drop in schedule power. They will want to stay at 8 games so they can schedule a higher profile OOC opponent.
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For a lot of reasons I think 9 schools is better than 10 schools for the future Big 12."

https://csnbbs.com/thread-926498-post-17...id17540387

"The financial math says 9 may be a better number than 10, and 10 is far better than 12.

Going 12 instead of 10 is a definite negative in terms of per school value and revenue. The schools add less inventory gain than percent of distributions they consume. This means the 11th and 12th schools must have significantly higher value than the other 10 schools. But such schools do not exist in G5."

https://csnbbs.com/thread-927649-post-17...id17577896

"BYU is the only one that adds money... But going to 10 or just adding BYU for 9 only may not be their choice, the networks may tell them it has to be 10 to get the contract."

Follow your own advice, Stu: "Forget the number that sounds good to you, think of the money, and then the money, and thirdly the money."

https://csnbbs.com/thread-926755-post-17...id17549448

I was struck by some of things and comments Ive heard and read regarding this move to 12. It seems the schools involved have actually come to the conclusion that they might be here a while and decided NOT to think short term. They decided to take schools with a lot of attributes that lead to long term success with the idea of growing them like the AAC did. Its kind of an incubator theory. While they develop----they at least bring big media markets and excellent recruiting grounds.

Yes - I agree.

I will keep repeating this and I’ve been saying this since the day that the UT/OU story broke: the only Big 12 school that has a prayer of getting into another power conference is Kansas. Otherwise, these schools are in the Big 12 for the long haul (even if it’s more out of necessity as opposed to choice). It absolutely drives me nuts when people just think the Big Ten is going to add a school simply because it’s AAU or the Pac-12 is going to add random Central Time Zone teams.

UT and OU going to the SEC is such a powerful move because it’s the END GAME for power conference realignment. There is absolutely ZERO reason for leagues to expand to 16 or whatever other number just for the sake of expansion. The nice and neat world of 4 16-team power conferences simply isn’t happening… and I’m saying this as the guy that writes the blog whose traffic spikes every time that there’s power conference realignment.

Wasn't there talk that you had to win your conf. title to get a top 4 seed if the playoffs went to 12. Would ND be happy as a 5 seed at best or would that make them want to join the ACC as a full member? If so then them and one more to the ACC would be the end game. Also what if the B1g can increase $$$ by adding UNC and UVa in 2036. Would that be the end game? SEC going to 18 w/ Clemson and Florida St?

No - the new playoff system basically ensures independence for ND. Heck, they’re the ones that spearheaded the whole proposal! I know a very large number of Domers - I really don’t think many people understand just how much independence is a core institutional identity for that school beyond football. People need to get it through their heads: independence is a way of life for them, which means that any expansion plan that’s contingent on ND joining a conference isn’t a plan at all. You’ll see Harvard leave the Ivy League before ND joins a conference.

I legitimately don’t think that the SEC cares about adding Clemson and/or Florida State. That is more of a fan-based desire/wish as opposed to a goal of the SEC.

Here’s the thing: once you add Texas, EVERY move is worth less by comparison. It was what was established in 2010: this entire realignment game was about Texas *specifically* and the SEC won. There’s no single school that would make a league more than Texas: not Notre Dame, not Ohio State, not USC.

As a result, I’m just not a subscriber to the Armageddon scenarios of super conferences. There’s a point of diminishing returns with more expansion and the SEC is absolutely there: they just added the single most valuable school (Texas), their rival that’s also a national brand (Oklahoma), and they didn’t even have to bring along schools like Texas Tech or Oklahoma State.

Could the Big Ten want UVA and UNC down the road? Sure - the league would certainly take them. However, simply nothing is the same as taking UT and OU at the same time. Every move is marginal by comparison at this point, which is why the only real “response” from the competing power leagues was a hazy alliance as opposed to any real expansion moves. The Big 12 might make more moves, but I think we’re going to see some stunning stability for the foreseeable future from the rest of the P5.

As to your comment: "However, simply nothing is the same as taking UT and OU at the same time."

IF (and this is highly unlikely), the Big Ten ever landed UVa, UNC, Clemson, Florida State, USC and UCLA in one fell swoop ... that would hugely trump the SEC's scoring with OU and UT.

But if the question is ... "Is there a 'one-two program punch' the Big Ten could make to outdo the SEC's OU-UT move?" Obviously not.

I think Memphis will wind up back with Cincinnati before long.

(09-12-2021 09:01 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  When Cincinnati moves to the Big12, it will mark the first time in decades that the combination of Louisville, Memphis and Cincinnati will be in 3 separate conferences.
Metro, Great Midwest, CUSA, Big East, AAC all had at least 2 of the 3 together. Might have been others but maybe the Missouri Valley. I'd have to look it up. Ok I did and all 3 were together in the Missouri Valley conference

The MVC program roster included the UL, UC, UM trio from 1968 to 1970.

I've been clear on the board how I feel about the Tigers, Cards and Bearcats: Those three athletics program "fit" as a trio. As such, it's unfortunate (in some respects) that they will eventually be fully separated (unless UM gets lucky with the Big 12 invite). But such is the nature of realignment. It will be very unfortunate to see, for example, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State no longer league brothers.

(09-12-2021 10:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I think Memphis will wind up back with Cincinnati before long.

I've got my unicycle, monocle, body paint and an exotic small mammal prepared to celebrate if so.