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(09-10-2021 05:35 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 04:10 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  What good does adding 2 more do for the Big 12? Memphis and USF aren’t going to add oodles of additional tv value, are they? I just don’t get the thought process. If you’re going to knee cap a conference and then go back for more, why not just raid them all at once?

Are they trying to give a false hope that they are coming back to “rescue” more G5s to try and dissuade any sort of G5 super-conference getting traction. No one from the AAC is joining the MWC and vice versa, if they think they are a few years removed from a Big 12 invite.

I agree. I don't think the finances will be there to go to 14. Memphis and Boise have academic warts that effete presidents may not be able to overlook. Big 12 has their football adds. No need to dilute the pot.

Memphis is going to become R1 in December. 07-coffee307-coffee3
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(09-11-2021 01:17 AM)Realignment Wrote:  This will give time for teams to get their stuff together to get those invites and I think it's Memphis & USF. Get the donors to iron out any facility issues. USF gets an on-campus stadium, they're in. I think Memphis is in if they just renovate the Liberty Bowl. Two destination cities and add to the brand. You want a yearly trip to Florida if you're in the Big 12 (14) South. I'm just curious if anyone else gets poached from the Big 12. I think it's still a possiblity.

Done. Tens of millions poured in over the last few years. Tiger Lane, a state of the art tailgate area. New giant jumbotron. Seat backs. All new concession areas. Party decks. State of the art locker rooms. New turf. Etc.

Only thing missing is the press box, and that's on the list to demolish and completely rebuild.
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(09-11-2021 09:53 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(09-11-2021 01:17 AM)Realignment Wrote:  This will give time for teams to get their stuff together to get those invites and I think it's Memphis & USF. Get the donors to iron out any facility issues. USF gets an on-campus stadium, they're in. I think Memphis is in if they just renovate the Liberty Bowl. Two destination cities and add to the brand. You want a yearly trip to Florida if you're in the Big 12 (14) South. I'm just curious if anyone else gets poached from the Big 12. I think it's still a possiblity.

Done. Tens of millions poured in over the last few years. Tiger Lane, a state of the art tailgate area. New giant jumbotron. Seat backs. All new concession areas. Party decks. State of the art locker rooms. New turf. Etc.

Only thing missing is the press box, and that's on the list to demolish and completely rebuild.

It's amazing how so many people judge the University of Memphis and the Liberty Bowl by what they were 20-30 years ago. Heck even the academic shots are going to have to stop since Memphis is about to become an R1 rated institution. 04-cheers04-cheers
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(09-11-2021 03:13 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(09-11-2021 09:53 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(09-11-2021 01:17 AM)Realignment Wrote:  This will give time for teams to get their stuff together to get those invites and I think it's Memphis & USF. Get the donors to iron out any facility issues. USF gets an on-campus stadium, they're in. I think Memphis is in if they just renovate the Liberty Bowl. Two destination cities and add to the brand. You want a yearly trip to Florida if you're in the Big 12 (14) South. I'm just curious if anyone else gets poached from the Big 12. I think it's still a possiblity.

Done. Tens of millions poured in over the last few years. Tiger Lane, a state of the art tailgate area. New giant jumbotron. Seat backs. All new concession areas. Party decks. State of the art locker rooms. New turf. Etc.

Only thing missing is the press box, and that's on the list to demolish and completely rebuild.

It's amazing how so many people judge the University of Memphis and the Liberty Bowl by what they were 20-30 years ago. Heck even the academic shots are going to have to stop since Memphis is about to become an R1 rated institution. 04-cheers04-cheers
I hope the Big 12 goes to 14 and takes you and 1 of USF or Boise. The more P5 the better.
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Ok, so I'll admit my bias and say I wish Colorado State had a better shot, but barring that, a move to 16 with Boise, Memphis, SMU and USF would be very interesting. That's 6 total AAC schools, leaving ECU, Temple and Tulane and Tulsa as all sports members plus Navy.
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(09-11-2021 03:13 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(09-11-2021 09:53 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(09-11-2021 01:17 AM)Realignment Wrote:  This will give time for teams to get their stuff together to get those invites and I think it's Memphis & USF. Get the donors to iron out any facility issues. USF gets an on-campus stadium, they're in. I think Memphis is in if they just renovate the Liberty Bowl. Two destination cities and add to the brand. You want a yearly trip to Florida if you're in the Big 12 (14) South. I'm just curious if anyone else gets poached from the Big 12. I think it's still a possiblity.

Done. Tens of millions poured in over the last few years. Tiger Lane, a state of the art tailgate area. New giant jumbotron. Seat backs. All new concession areas. Party decks. State of the art locker rooms. New turf. Etc.

Only thing missing is the press box, and that's on the list to demolish and completely rebuild.

It's amazing how so many people judge the University of Memphis and the Liberty Bowl by what they were 20-30 years ago. Heck even the academic shots are going to have to stop since Memphis is about to become an R1 rated institution. 04-cheers04-cheers

We also have moved up to #121 in one of the national rankings. We never were poor academically. The criteria just favored large land grant schools. Plus, we're an access school. We are required by state law to take most applicants, and a large percentage of our student population, and our city, is minority.

We finally have an admin appointed by our own new BoT that is working to improve those perceptions, and also become more of a research school.
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I expect the Big 12 to lose 2 to the PAC 12 at some point. Could be Houston, TCU, or OSU. I don’t think TTech is realistic. Also expect the ACC to get to 16 eventually, or backfill if the B1G or SEC patches anyone else. SMU should be a shoe-in the replace TCU. Then Memphis. I still don’t feel Boise St and USF are likely until more defections take place.
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(09-11-2021 04:32 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I expect the Big 12 to lose 2 to the PAC 12 at some point. Could be Houston, TCU, or OSU. I don’t think TTech is realistic. Also expect the ACC to get to 16 eventually, or backfill if the B1G or SEC patches anyone else. SMU should be a shoe-in the replace TCU. Then Memphis. I still don’t feel Boise St and USF are likely until more defections take place.

Memphis is a clear first up. Then it'll be one of SMU, Boise, or USF.
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Replacements for UH and TCU when they head to the PAC 12. If TCU departs, that would place SMU in the driver's seat for a Big 12 invite.

SMU
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and ?

Rice is located in the city of Houston but has no support. The total number of all Rice alumni would fit in their stadium with plenty of room to spare. Even their alumni do not believe a Big 12/AAC is possible. Rice will not commit the capital to build facilities to compete at the level required. Look at Tudor House, the coaching staff was not happy when the administration decided to just update their high school gym. A very nice facility but not major conference standards.
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Without UT being on the table, the Pac-12 has little incentive to expand farther east.
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(09-10-2021 05:35 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 04:10 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  What good does adding 2 more do for the Big 12? Memphis and USF aren’t going to add oodles of additional tv value, are they? I just don’t get the thought process. If you’re going to knee cap a conference and then go back for more, why not just raid them all at once?

Are they trying to give a false hope that they are coming back to “rescue” more G5s to try and dissuade any sort of G5 super-conference getting traction. No one from the AAC is joining the MWC and vice versa, if they think they are a few years removed from a Big 12 invite.

I agree. I don't think the finances will be there to go to 14. Memphis and Boise have academic warts that effete presidents may not be able to overlook. Big 12 has their football adds. No need to dilute the pot.

Boise State and Memphis are R2 with Baylor BYU and TCU. Last time around, Boise and Memphis were R3 which they were eliminated.
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(09-11-2021 09:57 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 05:35 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 04:10 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  What good does adding 2 more do for the Big 12? Memphis and USF aren’t going to add oodles of additional tv value, are they? I just don’t get the thought process. If you’re going to knee cap a conference and then go back for more, why not just raid them all at once?

Are they trying to give a false hope that they are coming back to “rescue” more G5s to try and dissuade any sort of G5 super-conference getting traction. No one from the AAC is joining the MWC and vice versa, if they think they are a few years removed from a Big 12 invite.

I agree. I don't think the finances will be there to go to 14. Memphis and Boise have academic warts that effete presidents may not be able to overlook. Big 12 has their football adds. No need to dilute the pot.

Boise State and Memphis are R2 with Baylor BYU and TCU. Last time around, Boise and Memphis were R3 which they were eliminated.

Memphis is about to be upgraded to Carnegie R1 status in December. 07-coffee3
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(09-10-2021 10:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 04:07 PM)Psicosis Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 03:49 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Sounds like they are trying to freeze the American from grabbing Boise State.

I don't think they have any intention of going past 12. But just feeding the rumor mill serves their purpose. The major league sports call that tampering.

More hot takes from a proven insider!

https://csnbbs.com/thread-926610-post-17...id17543648

"I don't think they want to go to 9 games without Texas and Oklahoma. Playing Cincy and UCF is just such a drop in schedule power. They will want to stay at 8 games so they can schedule a higher profile OOC opponent.
...
For a lot of reasons I think 9 schools is better than 10 schools for the future Big 12."

https://csnbbs.com/thread-926498-post-17...id17540387

"The financial math says 9 may be a better number than 10, and 10 is far better than 12.

Going 12 instead of 10 is a definite negative in terms of per school value and revenue. The schools add less inventory gain than percent of distributions they consume. This means the 11th and 12th schools must have significantly higher value than the other 10 schools. But such schools do not exist in G5."

https://csnbbs.com/thread-927649-post-17...id17577896

"BYU is the only one that adds money... But going to 10 or just adding BYU for 9 only may not be their choice, the networks may tell them it has to be 10 to get the contract."

Follow your own advice, Stu: "Forget the number that sounds good to you, think of the money, and then the money, and thirdly the money."

https://csnbbs.com/thread-926755-post-17...id17549448

I was struck by some of things and comments Ive heard and read regarding this move to 12. It seems the schools involved have actually come to the conclusion that they might be here a while and decided NOT to think short term. They decided to take schools with a lot of attributes that lead to long term success with the idea of growing them like the AAC did. Its kind of an incubator theory. While they develop----they at least bring big media markets and excellent recruiting grounds.

Yes - I agree.

I will keep repeating this and I’ve been saying this since the day that the UT/OU story broke: the only Big 12 school that has a prayer of getting into another power conference is Kansas. Otherwise, these schools are in the Big 12 for the long haul (even if it’s more out of necessity as opposed to choice). It absolutely drives me nuts when people just think the Big Ten is going to add a school simply because it’s AAU or the Pac-12 is going to add random Central Time Zone teams.

UT and OU going to the SEC is such a powerful move because it’s the END GAME for power conference realignment. There is absolutely ZERO reason for leagues to expand to 16 or whatever other number just for the sake of expansion. The nice and neat world of 4 16-team power conferences simply isn’t happening… and I’m saying this as the guy that writes the blog whose traffic spikes every time that there’s power conference realignment.
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(09-10-2021 04:10 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  What good does adding 2 more do for the Big 12? Memphis and USF aren’t going to add oodles of additional tv value, are they? I just don’t get the thought process. If you’re going to knee cap a conference and then go back for more, why not just raid them all at once?

Are they trying to give a false hope that they are coming back to “rescue” more G5s to try and dissuade any sort of G5 super-conference getting traction. No one from the AAC is joining the MWC and vice versa, if they think they are a few years removed from a Big 12 invite.

I don’t think it’s a matter of School A will bring X dollars to the Big 12 and School B will bring Y dollars.

If the Big 12 wants to add Memphis and Boise State, the league is likely looking at it holistically. First, it’s truly extracting ALL value of the G5. There’s no value play for a network to get Boise State games via a cheaper MWC contract - pretty much every G5 brand of any material value will be in the Big 12 at that point. Second, it’s setting themselves up to ensure P5 status for the new playoff system regardless of how the format ends up. Maybe the power conferences end up insisting upon guaranteed auto-bids to the new playoff system (not a top 6 conference format) and, to the extent those exist, the Big 12 would argue that there’s no reasonable way that they should be excluded from such auto-bids. The next TV contract for the Big 12 is going to be dictated by a broader question: is it a P5 conference? Whatever it take me to retain that P5 status is ultimately what matters.
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(09-10-2021 04:07 PM)Psicosis Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 03:49 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Sounds like they are trying to freeze the American from grabbing Boise State.

I don't think they have any intention of going past 12. But just feeding the rumor mill serves their purpose. The major league sports call that tampering.



Going 12 instead of 10 is a definite negative in terms of per school value and revenue. The schools add less inventory gain than percent of distributions they consume. This means the 11th and 12th schools must have significantly higher value than the other 10 schools. But such schools do not exist in G5."

This is not forward thinking. Yes you slice the pie a little thinner but...

a) You WEAKEN the AAC significantly. It would do the B12 no good to grab just Cinci from AAC and allow them to chomp at their heels.

b) You expand recruiting areas. Florida is huge for the B12 to get into and could be game changing for a lot of B12 schools.
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(09-11-2021 10:59 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 10:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 04:07 PM)Psicosis Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 03:49 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Sounds like they are trying to freeze the American from grabbing Boise State.

I don't think they have any intention of going past 12. But just feeding the rumor mill serves their purpose. The major league sports call that tampering.

More hot takes from a proven insider!

https://csnbbs.com/thread-926610-post-17...id17543648

"I don't think they want to go to 9 games without Texas and Oklahoma. Playing Cincy and UCF is just such a drop in schedule power. They will want to stay at 8 games so they can schedule a higher profile OOC opponent.
...
For a lot of reasons I think 9 schools is better than 10 schools for the future Big 12."

https://csnbbs.com/thread-926498-post-17...id17540387

"The financial math says 9 may be a better number than 10, and 10 is far better than 12.

Going 12 instead of 10 is a definite negative in terms of per school value and revenue. The schools add less inventory gain than percent of distributions they consume. This means the 11th and 12th schools must have significantly higher value than the other 10 schools. But such schools do not exist in G5."

https://csnbbs.com/thread-927649-post-17...id17577896

"BYU is the only one that adds money... But going to 10 or just adding BYU for 9 only may not be their choice, the networks may tell them it has to be 10 to get the contract."

Follow your own advice, Stu: "Forget the number that sounds good to you, think of the money, and then the money, and thirdly the money."

https://csnbbs.com/thread-926755-post-17...id17549448

I was struck by some of things and comments Ive heard and read regarding this move to 12. It seems the schools involved have actually come to the conclusion that they might be here a while and decided NOT to think short term. They decided to take schools with a lot of attributes that lead to long term success with the idea of growing them like the AAC did. Its kind of an incubator theory. While they develop----they at least bring big media markets and excellent recruiting grounds.

Yes - I agree.

I will keep repeating this and I’ve been saying this since the day that the UT/OU story broke: the only Big 12 school that has a prayer of getting into another power conference is Kansas. Otherwise, these schools are in the Big 12 for the long haul (even if it’s more out of necessity as opposed to choice). It absolutely drives me nuts when people just think the Big Ten is going to add a school simply because it’s AAU or the Pac-12 is going to add random Central Time Zone teams.

UT and OU going to the SEC is such a powerful move because it’s the END GAME for power conference realignment. There is absolutely ZERO reason for leagues to expand to 16 or whatever other number just for the sake of expansion. The nice and neat world of 4 16-team power conferences simply isn’t happening… and I’m saying this as the guy that writes the blog whose traffic spikes every time that there’s power conference realignment.
Wasn't there talk that you had to win your conf. title to get a top 4 seed if the playoffs went to 12. Would ND be happy as a 5 seed at best or would that make them want to join the ACC as a full member? If so then them and one more to the ACC would be the end game. Also what if the B1g can increase $$$ by adding UNC and UVa in 2036. Would that be the end game? SEC going to 18 w/ Clemson and Florida St?
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(09-11-2021 11:23 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
(09-11-2021 10:59 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 10:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 04:07 PM)Psicosis Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 03:49 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Sounds like they are trying to freeze the American from grabbing Boise State.

I don't think they have any intention of going past 12. But just feeding the rumor mill serves their purpose. The major league sports call that tampering.

More hot takes from a proven insider!

https://csnbbs.com/thread-926610-post-17...id17543648

"I don't think they want to go to 9 games without Texas and Oklahoma. Playing Cincy and UCF is just such a drop in schedule power. They will want to stay at 8 games so they can schedule a higher profile OOC opponent.
...
For a lot of reasons I think 9 schools is better than 10 schools for the future Big 12."

https://csnbbs.com/thread-926498-post-17...id17540387

"The financial math says 9 may be a better number than 10, and 10 is far better than 12.

Going 12 instead of 10 is a definite negative in terms of per school value and revenue. The schools add less inventory gain than percent of distributions they consume. This means the 11th and 12th schools must have significantly higher value than the other 10 schools. But such schools do not exist in G5."

https://csnbbs.com/thread-927649-post-17...id17577896

"BYU is the only one that adds money... But going to 10 or just adding BYU for 9 only may not be their choice, the networks may tell them it has to be 10 to get the contract."

Follow your own advice, Stu: "Forget the number that sounds good to you, think of the money, and then the money, and thirdly the money."

https://csnbbs.com/thread-926755-post-17...id17549448

I was struck by some of things and comments Ive heard and read regarding this move to 12. It seems the schools involved have actually come to the conclusion that they might be here a while and decided NOT to think short term. They decided to take schools with a lot of attributes that lead to long term success with the idea of growing them like the AAC did. Its kind of an incubator theory. While they develop----they at least bring big media markets and excellent recruiting grounds.

Yes - I agree.

I will keep repeating this and I’ve been saying this since the day that the UT/OU story broke: the only Big 12 school that has a prayer of getting into another power conference is Kansas. Otherwise, these schools are in the Big 12 for the long haul (even if it’s more out of necessity as opposed to choice). It absolutely drives me nuts when people just think the Big Ten is going to add a school simply because it’s AAU or the Pac-12 is going to add random Central Time Zone teams.

UT and OU going to the SEC is such a powerful move because it’s the END GAME for power conference realignment. There is absolutely ZERO reason for leagues to expand to 16 or whatever other number just for the sake of expansion. The nice and neat world of 4 16-team power conferences simply isn’t happening… and I’m saying this as the guy that writes the blog whose traffic spikes every time that there’s power conference realignment.
Wasn't there talk that you had to win your conf. title to get a top 4 seed if the playoffs went to 12. Would ND be happy as a 5 seed at best or would that make them want to join the ACC as a full member? If so then them and one more to the ACC would be the end game. Also what if the B1g can increase $$$ by adding UNC and UVa in 2036. Would that be the end game? SEC going to 18 w/ Clemson and Florida St?

No - the new playoff system basically ensures independence for ND. Heck, they’re the ones that spearheaded the whole proposal! I know a very large number of Domers - I really don’t think many people understand just how much independence is a core institutional identity for that school beyond football. People need to get it through their heads: independence is a way of life for them, which means that any expansion plan that’s contingent on ND joining a conference isn’t a plan at all. You’ll see Harvard leave the Ivy League before ND joins a conference.

I legitimately don’t think that the SEC cares about adding Clemson and/or Florida State. That is more of a fan-based desire/wish as opposed to a goal of the SEC.

Here’s the thing: once you add Texas, EVERY move is worth less by comparison. It was what was established in 2010: this entire realignment game was about Texas *specifically* and the SEC won. There’s no single school that would make a league more than Texas: not Notre Dame, not Ohio State, not USC.

As a result, I’m just not a subscriber to the Armageddon scenarios of super conferences. There’s a point of diminishing returns with more expansion and the SEC is absolutely there: they just added the single most valuable school (Texas), their rival that’s also a national brand (Oklahoma), and they didn’t even have to bring along schools like Texas Tech or Oklahoma State.

Could the Big Ten want UVA and UNC down the road? Sure - the league would certainly take them. However, simply nothing is the same as taking UT and OU at the same time. Every move is marginal by comparison at this point, which is why the only real “response” from the competing power leagues was a hazy alliance as opposed to any real expansion moves. The Big 12 might make more moves, but I think we’re going to see some stunning stability for the foreseeable future from the rest of the P5.
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RE: Dennis Dodd “B12 expected to add 2 more…”
(09-12-2021 12:15 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(09-11-2021 11:23 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
(09-11-2021 10:59 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 10:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 04:07 PM)Psicosis Wrote:  More hot takes from a proven insider!

https://csnbbs.com/thread-926610-post-17...id17543648

"I don't think they want to go to 9 games without Texas and Oklahoma. Playing Cincy and UCF is just such a drop in schedule power. They will want to stay at 8 games so they can schedule a higher profile OOC opponent.
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For a lot of reasons I think 9 schools is better than 10 schools for the future Big 12."

https://csnbbs.com/thread-926498-post-17...id17540387

"The financial math says 9 may be a better number than 10, and 10 is far better than 12.

Going 12 instead of 10 is a definite negative in terms of per school value and revenue. The schools add less inventory gain than percent of distributions they consume. This means the 11th and 12th schools must have significantly higher value than the other 10 schools. But such schools do not exist in G5."

https://csnbbs.com/thread-927649-post-17...id17577896

"BYU is the only one that adds money... But going to 10 or just adding BYU for 9 only may not be their choice, the networks may tell them it has to be 10 to get the contract."

Follow your own advice, Stu: "Forget the number that sounds good to you, think of the money, and then the money, and thirdly the money."

https://csnbbs.com/thread-926755-post-17...id17549448

I was struck by some of things and comments Ive heard and read regarding this move to 12. It seems the schools involved have actually come to the conclusion that they might be here a while and decided NOT to think short term. They decided to take schools with a lot of attributes that lead to long term success with the idea of growing them like the AAC did. Its kind of an incubator theory. While they develop----they at least bring big media markets and excellent recruiting grounds.

Yes - I agree.

I will keep repeating this and I’ve been saying this since the day that the UT/OU story broke: the only Big 12 school that has a prayer of getting into another power conference is Kansas. Otherwise, these schools are in the Big 12 for the long haul (even if it’s more out of necessity as opposed to choice). It absolutely drives me nuts when people just think the Big Ten is going to add a school simply because it’s AAU or the Pac-12 is going to add random Central Time Zone teams.

UT and OU going to the SEC is such a powerful move because it’s the END GAME for power conference realignment. There is absolutely ZERO reason for leagues to expand to 16 or whatever other number just for the sake of expansion. The nice and neat world of 4 16-team power conferences simply isn’t happening… and I’m saying this as the guy that writes the blog whose traffic spikes every time that there’s power conference realignment.
Wasn't there talk that you had to win your conf. title to get a top 4 seed if the playoffs went to 12. Would ND be happy as a 5 seed at best or would that make them want to join the ACC as a full member? If so then them and one more to the ACC would be the end game. Also what if the B1g can increase $$$ by adding UNC and UVa in 2036. Would that be the end game? SEC going to 18 w/ Clemson and Florida St?

No - the new playoff system basically ensures independence for ND. Heck, they’re the ones that spearheaded the whole proposal! I know a very large number of Domers - I really don’t think many people understand just how much independence is a core institutional identity for that school beyond football. People need to get it through their heads: independence is a way of life for them, which means that any expansion plan that’s contingent on ND joining a conference isn’t a plan at all. You’ll see Harvard leave the Ivy League before ND joins a conference.

I legitimately don’t think that the SEC cares about adding Clemson and/or Florida State. That is more of a fan-based desire/wish as opposed to a goal of the SEC.

Here’s the thing: once you add Texas, EVERY move is worth less by comparison. It was what was established in 2010: this entire realignment game was about Texas *specifically* and the SEC won. There’s no single school that would make a league more than Texas: not Notre Dame, not Ohio State, not USC.

As a result, I’m just not a subscriber to the Armageddon scenarios of super conferences. There’s a point of diminishing returns with more expansion and the SEC is absolutely there: they just added the single most valuable school (Texas), their rival that’s also a national brand (Oklahoma), and they didn’t even have to bring along schools like Texas Tech or Oklahoma State.

Could the Big Ten want UVA and UNC down the road? Sure - the league would certainly take them. However, simply nothing is the same as taking UT and OU at the same time. Every move is marginal by comparison at this point, which is why the only real “response” from the competing power leagues was a hazy alliance as opposed to any real expansion moves. The Big 12 might make more moves, but I think we’re going to see some stunning stability for the foreseeable future from the rest of the P5.
I get the ND indy status, but heard on here or espn about at best 5 seed thing a few months ago. But by end gm, I'm thinking no more expansion when B1G could, PAC could, Big 12 said they'd consider more. So I just don't see this as the end. End of national name brand movement, maybe. UNC is a name brand, not as big as UT but they could move in 2036.
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RE: Dennis Dodd “B12 expected to add 2 more…”
(09-11-2021 04:34 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(09-11-2021 04:32 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I expect the Big 12 to lose 2 to the PAC 12 at some point. Could be Houston, TCU, or OSU. I don’t think TTech is realistic. Also expect the ACC to get to 16 eventually, or backfill if the B1G or SEC patches anyone else. SMU should be a shoe-in the replace TCU. Then Memphis. I still don’t feel Boise St and USF are likely until more defections take place.

Memphis is a clear first up. Then it'll be one of SMU, Boise, or USF.

Yep, tough call between those three. Memphis sort of fills a bridge with UCF and the rest of the conference. Boise would be a natural BYU rival, but that’s not significant as Boise may be football only. So they could look at a BBall only school to pair with Boise.

I don’t see any impetus for the Big 12 to go to 14 as there is really no equivalent to Memphis athletics that can come alongside them. SMU is the most viable, ahead of USF and Boise. If USF continues their downhill spiral, I’d lean towards SMU. Boise would be on par or worse than CSU.
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RE: Dennis Dodd “B12 expected to add 2 more…”
My view (top 6):
1. Memphis
3. South Florida
3. SMU
4. Temple
5. Boise St
6. Colorado St
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