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RE: We suck - Fire Geoff Collins
(01-04-2022 12:17 AM)copycat Wrote:  
(01-03-2022 05:16 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Let's look at the next decade for you. No matter what Miami, Pitt, VT, or UNC develop into you have:

23 - Clemson/Ole Miss/Georgia
24 - ND/Georgia/Clemson
25 - Colorado/Georgia/Clemson
26 - Colorado/Georgia/Clemson
27 - ND/Clemson/Georgia
28 - Georgia/Clemson
29 - Georgia/ND/Clemson
30 - Alabama/Georgia/Clemson
31 - Alabama/Georgia/Clemson
32 - ND/Georgia/Clemson

What if Miami actually redevelops? What if Narduzzi can sustain Pitt at high level? UNC will still be getting recruits you need even if they are 3-9. Even NC State will get on average 1 recruit you want from SW NC/Northern Ga.

You would be better off in the long run meeting Georgia every 3-4 years and agreeing to play them in bowl settings.

The tough schedule doesn't explain the losses to Northern Illinois, Temple, The Citadel, 1-10 Syracuse, Boston College two years running with a head coach newer than ours.... Throw in the uncompetitive losses to the top teams and it feels like we're worse than Vandy in a bad year.
Hey in 2021, Collins ended his losing streak to FCS opponents when Georgia Tech defeated Kennesaw State, even though he has yet to win back to back games at Georgia Tech. I mean who cares about tough schedules when we are focused on beating elite FCS schools?

I do agree that winning at a high level and against Georgia can be done on the Flats. (Bobby Ross, George Oleary, Paul Johnson). I know some will say Paul Johnson only won 3 games vs Georgia, however in 2013 we lose in 2OT, and 2015 we lose by 6.... So we had a chance to add two more wins in COFH, but it just didn't happen...

The problem with the current circus show is that we were told that Collins was an elite recruiter, so by getting better recruits he would put out better teams than Paul Johnson or Chan Gailey even take us to National Conversation Levels, but that is not panning out, and of course he is not a good gameday coach.... See Citadel loss, NIU loss, VT blowout, Clemson, or UGA losses among others to show how inept he is on the sidelines....

So the current question is does the AD get fired with Collins or does he survive? Does GT hire former asst Jeff Monken to bring back the Bone and become comepetive again, or does GT try and hire another Bobby Ross, George Oleary type to clean up the mess. I can see after the season Collins being let go and Georgia Tech bringing in a Non Option Coach to try and correct this **** show. One thing for sure it can't happen soon enough!
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The beat goes on.

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Thinkin' Tashard Choice for '23.
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There are..... A DB Wesley Walker is leaving also in the portal

Walker played in 10 games last season, starting eight. In 2020, he played 10 games and started five. This past season, his 45 tackles were sixth on the team. Of the Yellow Jackets defense’s 716 snaps in the 10 games that he played, he was on the field for 567 of them, according to Pro Football Focus, or 79%. It is an indicator of the value that coach Geoff Collins and defensive coordinator Andrew Thacker placed on his ability and versatility, as he was capable of playing multiple positions in the defensive backfield.

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One of the few splash signings by Geoff Collins and his staff were able to make in the limited time after getting hired was Mike Lockhart out of Birmingham. Lockhart was a top 20 player in the state of Alabama. He picked Tech over UNC and Mississippi State at the time. In 2021 Lockhart started two games but only played 169 snaps in 12 games in part due to the mid-season switch to the odd front scheme. Over the course of three seasons, Lockhart logged 468 snaps, 27 tackles and 0.5 sacks.

Lockhart is the third defensive linemen to leave the program in recent weeks joining starting defensive ends Jared Ivey (who signed with Ole Miss) and Jordan Domineck. He is also the third player to enter the portal in the last 72 hours.

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(02-21-2022 03:53 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Thinkin' Tashard Choice for '23.

I will take Tashard Choice... But really I will take anyone not named Geoff Collins, Andrew Thacker or Brent Key... All three of the clowns need to be shown the door.
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RB Jamious Griffin is back in the portal again... He held offers in December from California, Western Kentucky, and Coastal Carolina. Coach Collins re recruited him and he came back. He was Coach Collins real first recruiting "win" after becoming HC.

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Georgia Tech signs 4-star running back Jamious Griffin. Coach Collins got his players but forgot to coach them up... They are know looking for better Coaching and Oppurtunties.... Boy do I miss Coach Paul Johnson!

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(02-22-2022 11:06 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  Georgia Tech signs 4-star running back Jamious Griffin. Coach Collins got his players but forgot to coach them up... They are know looking for better Coaching and Oppurtunties.... Boy do I miss Coach Paul Johnson!

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You can definitely hear a change in his voice and attitude. The hype machine is largely in the "off" position.

He ain't stupid, he knows what's been going on hasn't worked and this year is it. Produce or get sent packing. He says a lot of the right things here, things you would expect to hear from a coach that knows he's up against the wall. Then again he's always said the right things and never lived up to the expectations set by his words.
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I don't want to hear it anymore. I only care about seeing it. I remember Thacker talking about the luxury of the strategic advantage he'd have last year after having multiple sets fully installed on defense. How'd that work out?
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(02-24-2022 11:22 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I don't want to hear it anymore. I only care about seeing it. I remember Thacker talking about the luxury of the strategic advantage he'd have last year after having multiple sets fully installed on defense. How'd that work out?

I'm with you on that.

At least it's refreshing to see a change in attitude, maybe he gets it. Maybe it's too little too late.
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At 27:07 Joe Hamilton, calls out Geoff Collins and says now it is time to Coach! Love it! CGC doesn't even touch the comment, can't wait for Collins to be fired!
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Thought of the Day: Griffin’s re-departure means that we have now lost 6 of the top 7 rated players in the 2019 class to the portal including the only consensus 4* and 2 of the top 4 from the 2020 class. Hard to get better if your older players leave. It also hurts that the 3 multi-year transfers we brought in with that 2019 class have all been busts – even though they came from MI, FL and Miami.
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Chip Long is installing a run-first, up-tempo, pro-style offense! Long’s offensive philosophies center around the unit being in the QB's hands to make the right choice.


“One of my favorite runs is the G-Scheme; it gives us the opportunity to [take advantage of the defense overplaying Naked Playactions]… [This] is probably our most explosive run play for the last 10 years… defenses don’t see this anymore” – Chip Long



Things to Know about Chip Long:

1. “G-Scheme”, G-Scheme is an uncommon old school running play. The G-Scheme involves a “G-Block” which just refers to a trap of a defensive end/end-man-line-of-scrimmage by the play-side guard. Chip Long is reintroducing, or repackaging, depending on your point of view, a football play that is generally only living today in the Wing-T offense. The main difference between Old School G-scheme and Chip’s verision is that it is ran out of Pistol. Chip will sometimes attach one of his fast screens as a pre-snap check on the defense’s formation. It is a minor point that if he does attach a fast screen, the G-Scheme will be ran away from the screen, with the Adjuster being pre-snap read, as you kinda want your players actually blocking on the side of what is essentially a sweep play. Unlike the old school G-Scheme in the Wing-T Down play, the QB for the Jackets will just receive the snap and hand-off to the running back. The running back won’t do an option relationship, instead he will simply run at an aiming point outside of the Tight end. The Tight end is supposed to sell outside zone action, before releasing past the defensive end onto a linebacker. One variation that can be made is for the pulling guard to be given a “force call” which just means that he will not trap the DE, but instead destroy the player responsible for turning the offense away from the sideline.

This video is an example of a pistol G-Scheme run
https://youtu.be/lgN0EO-vo-c

This video is a nice example of an under center 2-TE formation
https://youtu.be/q4s3Gb9oydQ

This video is from the Pistol with two TE lined up at the same side.
https://youtu.be/vCUCvcwDLEc


2. "Pin & Pull" , Coach Long will be using a gap/zone family offspring run called the Pin & Pull to threaten the edge. Pin & Pull is a “dynamic” run, in which virtually any linemen can be the puller or down-blocker depending on the defensive alignment. Pin & Pull is especially interesting because the linemen will be moving laterally which will allow more time to be given on RPO pass options before any technical football rules are violated. Basically the Frontside follows “zone rules” to determine blockers and pullers. That means that if you are covered you Down block, and if you are uncovered you pull. The Backside, similar to the G-scheme is sometimes blocked true zone, and sometimes follow frontside rules.


The first clip is Pin & Pull.
https://youtu.be/M1kw8w9HcS8

The second clip is a Pull read.
https://youtu.be/pO_JtTpLN1I

This is a Pin & Pull with the Frontside receiver setting up for a crack block
https://youtu.be/ki-B6N4Ke54

This Pin & Pull lineup has a backside bubble screen attached
https://youtu.be/q9EDiJkVv5I



3. "RPOs and The Option", Chip Long describes himself as ‘Pro-Style’ (if you look at the linemen’s stance there is no doubt), however he does run some “Triple Option” in his offense. Please remeber that a “throw” on a RPO is considered a “run” and If you are not a fan of bubbles for some reason, you are (somewhat) in luck. Coach Long greatly prefers to run fast screens instead of bubbles, back on topic: understanding RPOs with three reads. First level read – Read of a defensive linemen (or sometimes end-man-line-of-scrimmage) to determine whether to give/keep the ball. Second level RPO – Read of a backer to determine whether to throw the ball. Third level RPO – Read of a defensive back (safety, cornerback, etc) to determine whether to throw the ball. Double Option – A Chip Long term for a play in which only the ‘Adjuster’ is in conflict with a front side screen. The quarterback options are to Mesh Throw or to Hand Off. Triple Option – A Chip Long term for a play where a first level defender is put in conflict and also the adjuster. The quarterback’s options are to Hand Off, Mesh Run, and Mesh Throw.



3A. General RPOs: These routes are based on the coverage that they will expect to see at that down or distance that week. For man-aligned outside-leverage, double slants are the obvious choice. For quarters, Long said he wanted either a curl or go by the outside receiver and a 5 yard speed out by the inner receiver. It is generally understood that quarters is a matchup zone, with heavy run responsibilities for corners and safeties.


A Double Slants clip
https://youtu.be/z2uAvU5noHw

A single slant clip
https://youtu.be/sFtnrCsseY0

Out/Go clip the QB hits the out
https://youtu.be/mjOp65Rp0Uw

Out/Go clip the QB is able to hit the Go
https://youtu.be/rIMcKtkwb7s


Chip Long can also threaten the same areas as the Out/Go using an inline TE or an H-back by the Arrow/Go. These plays are particularly important as they both force and punish the defense for loading the box

The first clip is an arrow by the inline TE
https://youtu.be/Y4jjBOWlZBQ

The second clip is essentially an arrow from an H
https://youtu.be/kvnr7MYtyNI



3B. Double Option is where only the Adjuster is in conflict. The most common Double Option Coach Long uses is called a Fire 4.


The following clip is a perfect example of a Fire 4 call with a Turn To
https://youtu.be/_0gUtOTCjW8

3C. Triple Option:
There are generally two forms of TO in RPO; 2nd level TO and 3rd level TO. The TO combines a read of a 1st-level-defender (defensive linemen) with a 2nd-level-defender (backer) or a 3rd-level-defender (defensive back). The more common by far is the 2nd-level because it is more reliable, but a third-level has greater big play potential.


the defensive end sits, causing the QB to hand off
https://youtu.be/buv8Ww238pw

The defensive end crashes, but the Adjuster stays with the screen which causes the QB run
https://youtu.be/ULzq6M1b5x8


A good example third-level triple option RPO
https://youtu.be/SV6aLZ9jYeE



4. "Playaction" Coach Long uses two different categories of playaction. The first is called “Naked” play action and it involves the QB running toward the perimeter without any protectors, often in the face of a defensive end. The second is what most think of “normal” playaction. Within standard playaction, Long used varying degrees of fakes , with some having the QB turn his back to the defenders and others just being a very light fake.


The first clip is an example of where the Flat route was thrown out of playaction
https://youtu.be/HxFp7DVAcXw

The second clip is an example of the Comeback route being thrown out of playaction
https://youtu.be/9kjFIQsKCYY



Taking shots down field coming from play-action, RPOs based off of game-planning what coverage they expect from their opponent from film, inside zone allowing running backs to hit the A backside to the B backside, an emphasis on a short passing game, tight ends in motion and an offensive line showcasing pulling guards, pin and pull and G-scheme are all examples of offensive philosophies and ideas that Long will bring to the FLATS. Tight ends are in motion a lot because defenses try to key on them for the run, but he uses them a lot for deception, as well. The alley defender determines a lot of the offense, as every play has more than one option. Whether that is the SAM, nickel corner or tight safety. A short passing game is to encourage the tempo of the offense. Condensed routes allow for receivers to get lined up fast whether they get the ball or not, and it also keeps defenses on their heels for double moves. He would run power every play if he has the line to do it — he loves physical football. Go Jackets!
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Tech hasn't been any good on the defensive side of the ball in what seems like forever...yet, all anybody ever likes to talk about is offense. If we are going to give up 33-36+ points a game, we probably aren't dialing up any offense to put up the needed 40+ a game to overcome a horrible defense.

So, welcome Coach Long...glad you have taken on the task and I wish you the best of luck. Hope like heck he is successful. he just might be our next HC. I am far more interested to see if any legit changes will take place on the other side of the line of scrimmage this upcomming year.
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Tech Staff Changes
There have been seven on the field staff personnel changes this offseason for the Jackets.

OLD COACH............................................................NEW COACH

Dave Patenaude (OC/QBs)- Old Domin.........................Chip Long (OC/TEs)
Chris Wiesehan (TEs/SPC)- Temple..............................Chris Weinke (QBs)
Tashard Choice (RBs)- Texas.......................................Mike Daniels (RBs)
Kerry Dixon (WRs)- NFL Baltimore...............................Del Alexander (WRs)
Marco Coleman (DEs) Michigan State...........................David Turner (DTs/AHC)
Nate Burton (S/NBs) USFL New Orleans.......................Jason Semore (LBs)
Jeff Popovich (CB/SPC)- Louisville...............................Travares Tillman (DBs

There have been two major off the field staff personnel changes this offseason for the Jackets:

Kenyatta Watson, Director of Scouting & Pro Liason, who will be heavily involved in the Yellow Jackets’ recruiting efforts, evaluating both high school student-athletes and those that have entered the NCAA Transfer Portal. He will also oversee Tech’s relationships with professional football scouts.

Jim Chaney, Offensive Analyst, who worked with OC Chip Long and QB coach Chris Weinke at Tennessee.

So hopefully the boys can get coached up and we get back to an annual bowl game in 2022. If Tech only wins 3 games again does Geoff get bought out by the donors who offered to buy him out last year?
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If this is being done O'Leary style like has been suggested early on ... then whoever is going to replace Geoff Collins is already on staff just as George O'Leary was on staff when Bill Lewis went down in flames.
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(04-02-2022 05:08 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  If Tech only wins 3 games again does Geoff get bought out by the donors who offered to buy him out last year?

Yes. Unless they promised all the new coaches 3 years to get things turned around.
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(04-02-2022 05:08 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Tech Staff Changes
There have been seven on the field staff personnel changes this offseason for the Jackets.

OLD COACH............................................................NEW COACH

Dave Patenaude (OC/QBs)- Old Domin.........................Chip Long (OC/TEs)
Chris Wiesehan (TEs/SPC)- Temple..............................Chris Weinke (QBs)
Tashard Choice (RBs)- Texas.......................................Mike Daniels (RBs)
Kerry Dixon (WRs)- NFL Baltimore...............................Del Alexander (WRs)
Marco Coleman (DEs) Michigan State...........................David Turner (DTs/AHC)
Nate Burton (S/NBs) USFL New Orleans.......................Jason Semore (LBs)
Jeff Popovich (CB/SPC)- Louisville...............................Travares Tillman (DBs

There have been two major off the field staff personnel changes this offseason for the Jackets:

Kenyatta Watson, Director of Scouting & Pro Liason, who will be heavily involved in the Yellow Jackets’ recruiting efforts, evaluating both high school student-athletes and those that have entered the NCAA Transfer Portal. He will also oversee Tech’s relationships with professional football scouts.

Jim Chaney, Offensive Analyst, who worked with OC Chip Long and QB coach Chris Weinke at Tennessee.

So hopefully the boys can get coached up and we get back to an annual bowl game in 2022. If Tech only wins 3 games again does Geoff get bought out by the donors who offered to buy him out last year?

Jim Chaney was Pitt's OC for Narduzzi in 2015.
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