(09-03-2021 05:22 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 05:18 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 05:18 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_...p_timeline

Im not sure what this post is trying to achieve…


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It just did

It just did what?


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(09-03-2021 09:11 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 09:00 AM)ICB Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 08:55 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 08:34 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 08:32 AM)b2b Wrote:  You joined a football conference. That's 85% of the revenue. Maybe we can add VCU and Dayton to help y'all out. If we can't get them WSU needs to decide what they want to do.

Oh i know. Still a conference with Memphis and SMU (and Temple if they can get back on track) is better than MVC. So it's still a step up .. just not what we signed up for.

I do hope WSU leadership is out seeing what it would take to land in the Big East.

Wichita seems to be the forgotten school in all this. Memphis, Wichita, SMU, and Temple can be a solid top 4 of a conference for basketball. Tulsa is always competitive. After that though it could be really rough.

If UAB is fortunate enough to get the invite, we will bring good basketball to the conference as well. Andy Kennedy is doing for basketball what Clark has done for football. Not sure if there is another team that will bring as good of basketball and football to the table right now. If so, I’m too biased to think of one.

Better off sending this as a email to Aresco than posting it here....lol.

Do you guys even want to be in the conference?

What was it Graucho Marx said? I don't want to be a member of a club that would have someone like me as a member.

(09-03-2021 01:35 PM)ICB Wrote:  Why is Big 12 moving to 12 instead of 10? Long-term stability? Would not AAC do the same?

I doubt stability was the reason…always a cash grab at every level (as it should be). They won’t go past the point of diminishing returns and neither should the AAC. I’m sure their media partners gave them them max pay estimates and that made their decision easier. No two schools (that are willing to move) can replace UT/OU, but increased inventory does add value to networks. It’s just working through those numbers. If/when the next school(s) leave, the process starts again. Nobody’s reinventing the wheel here.

(09-03-2021 11:24 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 11:22 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 11:20 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 10:44 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 10:39 AM)Agust Wrote:  i don't think Memphis is going to stay for long. im positive one more B12 team is going to switch conferences and Memphis is going to get the invite up.
it s-ks because i grew fond of the shockers and rooted for yall all the way through.
Aresco is a great leader and i believe he will make things work to its best benefit so you will have that going for you.
i think the possibilty to turn this into a basketball conference with teams that play football would be nice...almost a reverse uno. i hope it works out for ya if my team ends up moving. i still hope we stay in tact.

How funny would it be though if after bowlsby retired the big 12 took aresco?


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Very funny, but how funny would it be if this process gets UT and OU out earlier and on the cheap and the BIG XII sill blows up?

I'll take my chances with Aresco over Bowlsby anytime.

Bro you’re straight up bitter and it’s just sad…


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To be fair ... I do think them issuing invites will drastically increase the chance the Texas and OU end up leaving early on the cheap.

The elephant in the room as far as the Big XII blowing up is what their next TV deal with these additions looks like.

Its not that easy. They can go early. The problem is they each owe 80 million in exit fees and they would leave WITHOUT their TV rights. Would the SEC even want them early if they get the TV rights? The only way to leave early is to negotiate a settlement with the Big12 leftovers---but doing that allows FOX/ESPN to invoke the composition clause and cut their contract payout---so there isnt any real motivation for the B12 leftovers to settle---especially when arent too happy with UT/OU.

I still say the best deal is a 3-way deal (ESPN involved) where UT's 50% interest in the LHN (which UT/ESPN would have to shut down anyway) is offered to the Big12 to be rebranded as the Big12 network. That might allow the Big12 to create a new stream of income, which might be nice to have since the revenue from the next B12 media deal will probably be falling substantially.

Another thing crossed my mind. It's not a long shot either. Chicago where I grew up is the major hub for transportation air, and rail. O'Hare was the busiest airport in the world. Their other airport is called Midway. Memphis is also midway. Hence, the reason Fed-Ex is in Memphis. Chicago and Memphis bridge the East to the West.

It wouldn't be out of the question for Memphis to join the Mountain West. Memphis, SMU, Tulsa, Boise, SanDiego State, Air Force, Colorado State, Fresno State, Nevada, UNLV. We could take Hitachi as a pet. That would be a banger conference.

Top BB would be Memphis, SMU, Wichita State, Colorado State, San Diego State, Boise State, Tulsa, UNLV, Nevada.

(09-03-2021 06:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 11:24 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 11:22 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 11:20 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 10:44 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  How funny would it be though if after bowlsby retired the big 12 took aresco?


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Very funny, but how funny would it be if this process gets UT and OU out earlier and on the cheap and the BIG XII sill blows up?

I'll take my chances with Aresco over Bowlsby anytime.

Bro you’re straight up bitter and it’s just sad…


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To be fair ... I do think them issuing invites will drastically increase the chance the Texas and OU end up leaving early on the cheap.

The elephant in the room as far as the Big XII blowing up is what their next TV deal with these additions looks like.

Its not that easy. They can go early. The problem is they each owe 80 million in exit fees and they would leave WITHOUT their TV rights. Would the SEC even want them early if they get the TV rights? The only way to leave early is to negotiate a settlement with the Big12 leftovers---but doing that allows FOX/ESPN to invoke the composition clause and cut their contract payout---so there isnt any real motivation for the B12 leftovers to settle---especially when arent too happy with UT/OU.

I still say the best deal is a 3-way deal (ESPN involved) where UT's 50% interest in the LHN (which UT/ESPN would have to shut down anyway) is offered to the Big12 to be rebranded as the Big12 network. That might allow the Big12 to create a new stream of income, which might be nice to have since the revenue from the next B12 media deal will probably be falling substantially.

I'm curious how that works. Because like the GOR covers conference games and home games, but like moving to the SEC, does that mean the Big 12 would get all of Texas' conference SEC games?

(09-03-2021 06:19 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Another thing crossed my mind. It's not a long shot either. Chicago where I grew up is the major hub for transportation air, and rail. O'Hare was the busiest airport in the world. Their other airport is called Midway. Memphis is also midway. Hence, the reason Fed-Ex is in Memphis. Chicago and Memphis bridge the East to the West.

It wouldn't be out of the question for Memphis to join the Mountain West. Memphis, SMU, Tulsa, Boise, SanDiego State, Air Force, Colorado State, Fresno State, Nevada, UNLV. We could take Hitachi as a pet. That would be a banger conference.

Top BB would be Memphis, SMU, Wichita State, Colorado State, San Diego State, Boise State, Tulsa, UNLV, Nevada.

I’d be shocked if the admin went that way…though with a soon to be new president anything is possible I suppose. When you look at heat maps of incoming freshman they are skewed East…with the exception of TX. Those are the areas the university recruits for students. Not sure they’d want to go away from those population bases. It could make some sense for non Tulane private or TX schools though.

(09-03-2021 06:35 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 06:19 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Another thing crossed my mind. It's not a long shot either. Chicago where I grew up is the major hub for transportation air, and rail. O'Hare was the busiest airport in the world. Their other airport is called Midway. Memphis is also midway. Hence, the reason Fed-Ex is in Memphis. Chicago and Memphis bridge the East to the West.

It wouldn't be out of the question for Memphis to join the Mountain West. Memphis, SMU, Tulsa, Boise, SanDiego State, Air Force, Colorado State, Fresno State, Nevada, UNLV. We could take Hitachi as a pet. That would be a banger conference.

Top BB would be Memphis, SMU, Wichita State, Colorado State, San Diego State, Boise State, Tulsa, UNLV, Nevada.

I’d be shocked if the admin went that way…though with a soon to be new president anything is possible I suppose. When you look at heat maps of incoming freshman they are skewed East…with the exception of TX. Those are the areas the university recruits for students. Not sure they’d want to go away from those population bases. It could make some sense for non Tulane private or TX schools though.

Yeah it's a bit of a stretch, but West Virginia did go to the Big 12. UCF will be traveling to Provo Utah in the winter.

(09-03-2021 10:00 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 09:42 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  Buffalo should be the #1 option...

Even UMass has better history than some of the names being thrown around.

Honest question...I'm not trying to troll here, I need to stress that.

If the money goes away, do you think Temple's admin/fans would be ok with staying in a conference that makes marginally more money (~$250,000-$400,000) but is infinitely more spread out for team travel (with what you'd imagine is a large geographical footprint including more SE/TX teams being added as backfill), or would they humor trying to rejoin the MAC just to make the geography more natural?

In all honesty, I could see Temple euthanizing the FB program if the dollars drop off significantly. There's no point in trying to go back to the MAC. It is hard to justify the expenses now, even with our $7 million contract. Lack of fan support will be the death of this program.

The following paragraph from the B12 website gives the most important info in the least number of words.


After this, multiple media outlets reported on September 3, 2021 that the Big 12 was on the verge of inviting four schools—Brigham Young University (BYU), the University of Cincinnati, the University of Houston, and the University of Central Florida (UCF). All four schools were reportedly preparing membership applications, and their future entrance could be approved as early as the next scheduled meeting of Big 12 presidents on September 10. The entry timeline was uncertain at the time of the report. Three of the schools (all except BYU) are members of the American Athletic Conference, which requires a 27-month notice period before departure.

(09-04-2021 01:35 AM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 10:00 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 09:42 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  Buffalo should be the #1 option...

Even UMass has better history than some of the names being thrown around.

Honest question...I'm not trying to troll here, I need to stress that.

If the money goes away, do you think Temple's admin/fans would be ok with staying in a conference that makes marginally more money (~$250,000-$400,000) but is infinitely more spread out for team travel (with what you'd imagine is a large geographical footprint including more SE/TX teams being added as backfill), or would they humor trying to rejoin the MAC just to make the geography more natural?

In all honesty, I could see Temple euthanizing the FB program if the dollars drop off significantly. There's no point in trying to go back to the MAC. It is hard to justify the expenses now, even with our $7 million contract. Lack of fan support will be the death of this program.

UCONN was just ahead of the curve. I think a lot of programs in conferences like the MAC are going to have to ask what it is they are doing. Low budgets, low attendance, losing $$ and just playing for an OOC buy game payout to get bludgeoned to keep the lights on...if UC did not get a lifeline soon I wanted them to start asking hard questions about what we were doing going forward.

(09-06-2021 09:11 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(09-04-2021 01:35 AM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 10:00 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 09:42 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  Buffalo should be the #1 option...

Even UMass has better history than some of the names being thrown around.

Honest question...I'm not trying to troll here, I need to stress that.

If the money goes away, do you think Temple's admin/fans would be ok with staying in a conference that makes marginally more money (~$250,000-$400,000) but is infinitely more spread out for team travel (with what you'd imagine is a large geographical footprint including more SE/TX teams being added as backfill), or would they humor trying to rejoin the MAC just to make the geography more natural?

In all honesty, I could see Temple euthanizing the FB program if the dollars drop off significantly. There's no point in trying to go back to the MAC. It is hard to justify the expenses now, even with our $7 million contract. Lack of fan support will be the death of this program.

UCONN was just ahead of the curve. I think a lot of programs in conferences like the MAC are going to have to ask what it is they are doing. Low budgets, low attendance, losing $$ and just playing for an OOC buy game payout to get bludgeoned to keep the lights on...if UC did not get a lifeline soon I wanted them to start asking hard questions about what we were doing going forward.

just saw that randy edsall is "retiring" after this year - is this the first step in Uconn moving back down to FCS? kinda sounds like it.