(08-17-2021 05:35 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 12:40 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 08:29 PM)nole Wrote:  none

Probably should have been a choice in the poll ...

Also ... there's no way a member voluntarily steps out of the conference.

Of course nobody drops the football. But, hey, this poll is just “for fun.” Basically this poll will show which non slamdunk school people like the most.

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(08-17-2021 03:09 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Someone commented that there were recruits in the State of Ohio.

This year according to 257 there are 3 top 100 recruits in Ohio. There are 9 top 300 recruits. They have 29 in the top 1000.

In Texas this year according to 257 there are 17 in the top 100, 45 in the top 300, and 138 total in the top 1000.

There are 29.2 million people in Texas. There are 11.7 million people in Ohio.


There is no recruiting per se for the current ACC schools in Ohio. A scrub that Ohio State does not want or that ND does not want or that Penn State does not want, is all that is left over. Meaning you may get a 3 star at best kid. This exacerbates the problem the ACC has with New York and New England and Kentucky - not nearly enough kids to make a competitive team.

https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Footba...l&State=OH

This year Ohio State has the 1, 2, 4, 5, and 7 kid from Ohio.
Penn State has the 3, and 6 kid.
Clemson has the 8.
Indiana has the 9.
Minnesota has the 10.
Alabama has the 11.
Cincy has the last 4 star at 12.

Now, if Cincy is in the ACC they MIGHT out recruit Indiana and Minnesota in the State of Ohio, but they will never out recruit Ohio State and Penn State. They will never out recruit national powers like Bama, and Clemson.

If ACC membership solidifies TCU as the third most popular football school in the State of Texas, that's much better for the rest of the ACC, than Cincinnati playin second or third in Ohio.

And I like Cincy. It's not personal.

You're falling into the rankings mentality. That works in basketball but not football.

Football is the ultimate team sport. It's a game of numbers. Sure, you want to get the great players, but one player does not dominate a football game.

Where the Alabamas and Ohio States get you is on depth. 1's v 1's are usually a pretty competitive proposition. Most teams have some decent 2's to compete as well. Then when you're running 1's back in, O$U is running out fresh 3's and even 4's that are just as good as your 2's. So they just wear you down as the game goes on.

Then when the game is on the line, their 1's are much fresher than yours.

The thing about a football state like Ohio is that there are more good players to fill on the depth charts.

O$U can have their Jack Sawyers'. Give me 2-3 Mijai Sanders' instead and we'll see a contender real quick.

(08-17-2021 03:09 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Someone commented that there were recruits in the State of Ohio.

This year according to 257 there are 3 top 100 recruits in Ohio. There are 9 top 300 recruits. They have 29 in the top 1000.

In Texas this year according to 257 there are 17 in the top 100, 45 in the top 300, and 138 total in the top 1000.

There are 29.2 million people in Texas. There are 11.7 million people in Ohio.


There is no recruiting per se for the current ACC schools in Ohio. A scrub that Ohio State does not want or that ND does not want or that Penn State does not want, is all that is left over. Meaning you may get a 3 star at best kid. This exacerbates the problem the ACC has with New York and New England and Kentucky - not nearly enough kids to make a competitive team.

https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Footba...l&State=OH

This year Ohio State has the 1, 2, 4, 5, and 7 kid from Ohio.
Penn State has the 3, and 6 kid.
Clemson has the 8.
Indiana has the 9.
Minnesota has the 10.
Alabama has the 11.
Cincy has the last 4 star at 12.

Now, if Cincy is in the ACC they MIGHT out recruit Indiana and Minnesota in the State of Ohio, but they will never out recruit Ohio State and Penn State. They will never out recruit national powers like Bama, and Clemson.

If ACC membership solidifies TCU as the third most popular football school in the State of Texas, that's much better for the rest of the ACC, than Cincinnati playin second or third in Ohio.

And I like Cincy. It's not personal.

This is a GREAT post, and a tough pill for a lot of people to swallow.

If Cincinnati were added, I would not be as concerned about how successful the Bearcats would be at recruiting against the B1G schools in the area, as I would be more interested in the increased exposure it gives my alma mater in the state of Ohio. Now, I know Ohioans are already familiar with the state of South Carolina because they are required by law to vacation in Myrtle Beach, but still, if Cincinnati were in the ACC, there would be more exposure for Clemson in the state of Ohio.

Of course, the same would be true of Texas if TCU were a member. However, I really would not want to have a single school that far out there without another school or two or three with them. So, for the sake of this poll only asking about a single team, that is why I'm going with Cincinnati.

(08-17-2021 08:51 PM)Schema Wrote:  If Cincinnati were added, I would not be as concerned about how successful the Bearcats would be at recruiting against the B1G schools in the area, as I would be more interested in the increased exposure it gives my alma mater in the state of Ohio. Now, I know Ohioans are already familiar with the state of South Carolina because they are required by law to vacation in Myrtle Beach, but still, if Cincinnati were in the ACC, there would be more exposure for Clemson in the state of Ohio.

Of course, the same would be true of Texas if TCU were a member. However, I really would not want to have a single school that far out there without another school or two or three with them. So, for the sake of this poll only asking about a single team, that is why I'm going with Cincinnati.

Kentuckians too…

My 80 year old Mom thinks the only ocean in the world is at Myrtle Beach. For the last 20 years she has traveled to the same hotel, ate in the same restaurants and visited the same souvenir shops because she’s worried she “won’t like the ocean anywhere else”.

(08-18-2021 04:06 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 08:51 PM)Schema Wrote:  If Cincinnati were added, I would not be as concerned about how successful the Bearcats would be at recruiting against the B1G schools in the area, as I would be more interested in the increased exposure it gives my alma mater in the state of Ohio. Now, I know Ohioans are already familiar with the state of South Carolina because they are required by law to vacation in Myrtle Beach, but still, if Cincinnati were in the ACC, there would be more exposure for Clemson in the state of Ohio.

Of course, the same would be true of Texas if TCU were a member. However, I really would not want to have a single school that far out there without another school or two or three with them. So, for the sake of this poll only asking about a single team, that is why I'm going with Cincinnati.

Kentuckians too…

My 80 year old Mom thinks the only ocean in the world is at Myrtle Beach. For the last 20 years she has traveled to the same hotel, ate in the same restaurants and visited the same souvenir shops because she’s worried she “won’t like the ocean anywhere else”.

^
This is what actually makes a conference strong. Shared culture. No matter where you find it, it's actually how people can relate to each other and it's how true rivalries are born. Everything else is just done for money.
I agree that TCU would be a better add than Cincinnati, heck add Baylor too if you had to add two schools (more population means more TVs, more recruits, more money).
Unfortunately conferences that make sense no longer make enough money, and what I would like to see probably will never happen.

(08-18-2021 04:06 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 08:51 PM)Schema Wrote:  If Cincinnati were added, I would not be as concerned about how successful the Bearcats would be at recruiting against the B1G schools in the area, as I would be more interested in the increased exposure it gives my alma mater in the state of Ohio. Now, I know Ohioans are already familiar with the state of South Carolina because they are required by law to vacation in Myrtle Beach, but still, if Cincinnati were in the ACC, there would be more exposure for Clemson in the state of Ohio.

Of course, the same would be true of Texas if TCU were a member. However, I really would not want to have a single school that far out there without another school or two or three with them. So, for the sake of this poll only asking about a single team, that is why I'm going with Cincinnati.

Kentuckians too…

My 80 year old Mom thinks the only ocean in the world is at Myrtle Beach. For the last 20 years she has traveled to the same hotel, ate in the same restaurants and visited the same souvenir shops because she’s worried she “won’t like the ocean anywhere else”.

Never been there. Usually, Miami, Hollywood, Ft.Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Naples, Tampa , Orlando, Daytona when We vacation and meet up with friends

(08-16-2021 05:47 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  This is a hypothetical scenario for fun.

Let’s say one of the ACC private schools drop the football program following recommendations from this board (!) and the ACC decides to add one more school. Assume ND and the other P3 schools are not available.

Which school do you think the ACC should invite?

Choices:

TCU: ACC style private school in Texas. Good football and good market

TTU: Best Texas public school currently available

Kansas: Best basketball program currently available

Baylor: Recent surge in football/basketball. In Texas

Ok State: Highest TV rating among the programs available

WVU: traditional rival for former Big East schools. Football history.

Cincy: rising profile. Fertile recruiting ground

Uconn: desperately wants to join the ACC

Navy: ND connection?

UCF: why not another Florida school?

Which ACC private do you envision being the one to drop football?

(08-18-2021 11:51 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 04:06 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 08:51 PM)Schema Wrote:  If Cincinnati were added, I would not be as concerned about how successful the Bearcats would be at recruiting against the B1G schools in the area, as I would be more interested in the increased exposure it gives my alma mater in the state of Ohio. Now, I know Ohioans are already familiar with the state of South Carolina because they are required by law to vacation in Myrtle Beach, but still, if Cincinnati were in the ACC, there would be more exposure for Clemson in the state of Ohio.

Of course, the same would be true of Texas if TCU were a member. However, I really would not want to have a single school that far out there without another school or two or three with them. So, for the sake of this poll only asking about a single team, that is why I'm going with Cincinnati.

Kentuckians too…

My 80 year old Mom thinks the only ocean in the world is at Myrtle Beach. For the last 20 years she has traveled to the same hotel, ate in the same restaurants and visited the same souvenir shops because she’s worried she “won’t like the ocean anywhere else”.

Never been there. Usually, Miami, Hollywood, Ft.Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Naples, Tampa , Orlando, Daytona when We vacation and meet up with friends

What about Sarasota?

(08-18-2021 11:54 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 05:47 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  This is a hypothetical scenario for fun.

Let’s say one of the ACC private schools drop the football program following recommendations from this board (!) and the ACC decides to add one more school. Assume ND and the other P3 schools are not available.

Which school do you think the ACC should invite?

Choices:

TCU: ACC style private school in Texas. Good football and good market

TTU: Best Texas public school currently available

Kansas: Best basketball program currently available

Baylor: Recent surge in football/basketball. In Texas

Ok State: Highest TV rating among the programs available

WVU: traditional rival for former Big East schools. Football history.

Cincy: rising profile. Fertile recruiting ground

Uconn: desperately wants to join the ACC

Navy: ND connection?

UCF: why not another Florida school?

Which ACC private do you envision being the one to drop football?

Duke dropped football 50+ years ago, they just forgot to inform the ACC.

The same school they added the last 5 times they expanded: whoever ESPN tells them to.

(08-18-2021 12:13 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 11:51 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 04:06 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 08:51 PM)Schema Wrote:  If Cincinnati were added, I would not be as concerned about how successful the Bearcats would be at recruiting against the B1G schools in the area, as I would be more interested in the increased exposure it gives my alma mater in the state of Ohio. Now, I know Ohioans are already familiar with the state of South Carolina because they are required by law to vacation in Myrtle Beach, but still, if Cincinnati were in the ACC, there would be more exposure for Clemson in the state of Ohio.

Of course, the same would be true of Texas if TCU were a member. However, I really would not want to have a single school that far out there without another school or two or three with them. So, for the sake of this poll only asking about a single team, that is why I'm going with Cincinnati.

Kentuckians too…

My 80 year old Mom thinks the only ocean in the world is at Myrtle Beach. For the last 20 years she has traveled to the same hotel, ate in the same restaurants and visited the same souvenir shops because she’s worried she “won’t like the ocean anywhere else”.

Never been there. Usually, Miami, Hollywood, Ft.Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Naples, Tampa , Orlando, Daytona when We vacation and meet up with friends

What about Sarasota?

Grand Parents lived there decades ago. Nice area just don't know anyone there now. Did You move down there ? Texan Mark lives in Tampa area

(08-18-2021 12:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 11:54 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 05:47 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  This is a hypothetical scenario for fun.

Let’s say one of the ACC private schools drop the football program following recommendations from this board (!) and the ACC decides to add one more school. Assume ND and the other P3 schools are not available.

Which school do you think the ACC should invite?

Choices:

TCU: ACC style private school in Texas. Good football and good market

TTU: Best Texas public school currently available

Kansas: Best basketball program currently available

Baylor: Recent surge in football/basketball. In Texas

Ok State: Highest TV rating among the programs available

WVU: traditional rival for former Big East schools. Football history.

Cincy: rising profile. Fertile recruiting ground

Uconn: desperately wants to join the ACC

Navy: ND connection?

UCF: why not another Florida school?

Which ACC private do you envision being the one to drop football?

Duke dropped football 50+ years ago, they just forgot to inform the ACC.

They are underrated in FB as are WF. Don't sleep on Them

(08-18-2021 03:30 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 12:13 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 11:51 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 04:06 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 08:51 PM)Schema Wrote:  If Cincinnati were added, I would not be as concerned about how successful the Bearcats would be at recruiting against the B1G schools in the area, as I would be more interested in the increased exposure it gives my alma mater in the state of Ohio. Now, I know Ohioans are already familiar with the state of South Carolina because they are required by law to vacation in Myrtle Beach, but still, if Cincinnati were in the ACC, there would be more exposure for Clemson in the state of Ohio.

Of course, the same would be true of Texas if TCU were a member. However, I really would not want to have a single school that far out there without another school or two or three with them. So, for the sake of this poll only asking about a single team, that is why I'm going with Cincinnati.

Kentuckians too…

My 80 year old Mom thinks the only ocean in the world is at Myrtle Beach. For the last 20 years she has traveled to the same hotel, ate in the same restaurants and visited the same souvenir shops because she’s worried she “won’t like the ocean anywhere else”.

Never been there. Usually, Miami, Hollywood, Ft.Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Naples, Tampa , Orlando, Daytona when We vacation and meet up with friends

What about Sarasota?

Grand Parents lived there decades ago. Nice area just don't know anyone there now. Did You move down there ? Texan Mark lives in Tampa area

Mark lives up in the north Florida area now, I believe. He used to live in St Pete. I was born and partially raised in Sarasota. We usually spend between 2 and 3 months out of the year down there, although the pandemic has put a damper on that. I did spend a month down there and just back to NY July 28. We left just about the time that things started to get out of control with the virus.

(08-18-2021 11:54 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 05:47 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  This is a hypothetical scenario for fun.

Let’s say one of the ACC private schools drop the football program following recommendations from this board (!) and the ACC decides to add one more school. Assume ND and the other P3 schools are not available.

Which school do you think the ACC should invite?

Choices:

TCU: ACC style private school in Texas. Good football and good market

TTU: Best Texas public school currently available

Kansas: Best basketball program currently available

Baylor: Recent surge in football/basketball. In Texas

Ok State: Highest TV rating among the programs available

WVU: traditional rival for former Big East schools. Football history.

Cincy: rising profile. Fertile recruiting ground

Uconn: desperately wants to join the ACC

Navy: ND connection?

UCF: why not another Florida school?

Which ACC private do you envision being the one to drop football?

TBH I don’t think any school will drop. I do think the 14 football / 16 basketball conference would be nice.

(08-18-2021 04:41 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 04:06 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 08:51 PM)Schema Wrote:  If Cincinnati were added, I would not be as concerned about how successful the Bearcats would be at recruiting against the B1G schools in the area, as I would be more interested in the increased exposure it gives my alma mater in the state of Ohio. Now, I know Ohioans are already familiar with the state of South Carolina because they are required by law to vacation in Myrtle Beach, but still, if Cincinnati were in the ACC, there would be more exposure for Clemson in the state of Ohio.

Of course, the same would be true of Texas if TCU were a member. However, I really would not want to have a single school that far out there without another school or two or three with them. So, for the sake of this poll only asking about a single team, that is why I'm going with Cincinnati.

Kentuckians too…

My 80 year old Mom thinks the only ocean in the world is at Myrtle Beach. For the last 20 years she has traveled to the same hotel, ate in the same restaurants and visited the same souvenir shops because she’s worried she “won’t like the ocean anywhere else”.

^
This is what actually makes a conference strong. Shared culture. No matter where you find it, it's actually how people can relate to each other and it's how true rivalries are born. Everything else is just done for money.
I agree that TCU would be a better add than Cincinnati, heck add Baylor too if you had to add two schools (more population means more TVs, more recruits, more money).
Unfortunately conferences that make sense no longer make enough money, and what I would like to see probably will never happen.

Cincy's Metro population is 2.3 million. Also, fyi, virtually every player on UC's team had Big Ten offers, so we are recruiting as well or better than Purdue, Michigan State, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota but not obviously at the level of Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and Wisconsin. Take a look at the recruiting rankings for the Class of 2022. Cincy in the top 30-40 as a G5 member, ahead of a ton of so-called Power 5 schools, including ACC schools. UC is the top G5 school in recruiting, and most of the recruits are from Ohio, Michigan, Illinois and Indiana, so we are doing just fine in Big Ten country.

(08-18-2021 06:20 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 04:41 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 04:06 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 08:51 PM)Schema Wrote:  If Cincinnati were added, I would not be as concerned about how successful the Bearcats would be at recruiting against the B1G schools in the area, as I would be more interested in the increased exposure it gives my alma mater in the state of Ohio. Now, I know Ohioans are already familiar with the state of South Carolina because they are required by law to vacation in Myrtle Beach, but still, if Cincinnati were in the ACC, there would be more exposure for Clemson in the state of Ohio.

Of course, the same would be true of Texas if TCU were a member. However, I really would not want to have a single school that far out there without another school or two or three with them. So, for the sake of this poll only asking about a single team, that is why I'm going with Cincinnati.

Kentuckians too…

My 80 year old Mom thinks the only ocean in the world is at Myrtle Beach. For the last 20 years she has traveled to the same hotel, ate in the same restaurants and visited the same souvenir shops because she’s worried she “won’t like the ocean anywhere else”.

^
This is what actually makes a conference strong. Shared culture. No matter where you find it, it's actually how people can relate to each other and it's how true rivalries are born. Everything else is just done for money.
I agree that TCU would be a better add than Cincinnati, heck add Baylor too if you had to add two schools (more population means more TVs, more recruits, more money).
Unfortunately conferences that make sense no longer make enough money, and what I would like to see probably will never happen.

Cincy's Metro population is 2.3 million. Also, fyi, virtually every player on UC's team had Big Ten offers, so we are recruiting as well or better than Purdue, Michigan State, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota but not obviously at the level of Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and Wisconsin. Take a look at the recruiting rankings for the Class of 2022. Cincy in the top 30-40 as a G5 member, ahead of a ton of so-called Power 5 schools, including ACC schools. UC is the top G5 school in recruiting, and most of the recruits are from Ohio, Michigan, Illinois and Indiana, so we are doing just fine in Big Ten country.

How you recruit in Ohio is irrelevant to other ACC schools. What's there for the rest of us to recruit is what matters. There is nothing special there past the 20th kid.

24/7 Top 1000 recruits this year

138 State of Texas
133 State of Florida
90 State of Ga
44 State of La
40 State of Alabama
34 State of TN
30 State of Ohio
29 State of Va
24 State of Pa, and State of NC (worst year for NC in the last 7-8)
14 State of SC
11 State of Ky

Now, how many kids of this 1000 do you need to get every year to put a team on the field? Let's look at 5 classes with red shirts in order to make for 20 of 24 starters and specialists (will allow 4 walk ons and gems that polished up at seniors). Oh and a 50% attrition rate by year 4-5. You are going to need to average at least 10 kids a year that pan out so you need to be getting 15 of these kids a year for top 20-25 program. .

The State of Kentucky and the State of SC can not sustain a single top 25 program. Pa, Va, NC, and Ohio can each sustain 1 program and half of another. TN, Alabama, and Louisiana can sustain 2 top 20-25 programs. Georgia has enough kids to sustain 4-5 programs. Florida and Texas can sustain 8 each.

Put another way these States can support 30 programs, but only 15-18 will get a full haul every year.

The point is as long as Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame, and Ohio State field a football team, there are not enough players in Indiana, Ohio, Pa, Illinois, and Michigan to stock those teams with competitive talent. The addition of Ohio to the ACC recruiting footprint really does nothing for us.

Personally I would much rather have any 2 of Cincinnati, UCF, Houston in the ACC than any go into the L8
UC is My top choice if only 1 added

(08-18-2021 06:34 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 06:20 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 04:41 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 04:06 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 08:51 PM)Schema Wrote:  If Cincinnati were added, I would not be as concerned about how successful the Bearcats would be at recruiting against the B1G schools in the area, as I would be more interested in the increased exposure it gives my alma mater in the state of Ohio. Now, I know Ohioans are already familiar with the state of South Carolina because they are required by law to vacation in Myrtle Beach, but still, if Cincinnati were in the ACC, there would be more exposure for Clemson in the state of Ohio.

Of course, the same would be true of Texas if TCU were a member. However, I really would not want to have a single school that far out there without another school or two or three with them. So, for the sake of this poll only asking about a single team, that is why I'm going with Cincinnati.

Kentuckians too…

My 80 year old Mom thinks the only ocean in the world is at Myrtle Beach. For the last 20 years she has traveled to the same hotel, ate in the same restaurants and visited the same souvenir shops because she’s worried she “won’t like the ocean anywhere else”.

^
This is what actually makes a conference strong. Shared culture. No matter where you find it, it's actually how people can relate to each other and it's how true rivalries are born. Everything else is just done for money.
I agree that TCU would be a better add than Cincinnati, heck add Baylor too if you had to add two schools (more population means more TVs, more recruits, more money).
Unfortunately conferences that make sense no longer make enough money, and what I would like to see probably will never happen.

Cincy's Metro population is 2.3 million. Also, fyi, virtually every player on UC's team had Big Ten offers, so we are recruiting as well or better than Purdue, Michigan State, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota but not obviously at the level of Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and Wisconsin. Take a look at the recruiting rankings for the Class of 2022. Cincy in the top 30-40 as a G5 member, ahead of a ton of so-called Power 5 schools, including ACC schools. UC is the top G5 school in recruiting, and most of the recruits are from Ohio, Michigan, Illinois and Indiana, so we are doing just fine in Big Ten country.

How you recruit in Ohio is irrelevant to other ACC schools. What's there for the rest of us to recruit is what matters. There is nothing special there past the 20th kid.

24/7 Top 1000 recruits this year

138 State of Texas
133 State of Florida
90 State of Ga
44 State of La
40 State of Alabama
34 State of TN
30 State of Ohio
29 State of Va
24 State of Pa, and State of NC (worst year for NC in the last 7-8)
14 State of SC
11 State of Ky

Now, how many kids of this 1000 do you need to get every year to put a team on the field? Let's look at 5 classes with red shirts in order to make for 20 of 24 starters and specialists (will allow 4 walk ons and gems that polished up at seniors). Oh and a 50% attrition rate by year 4-5. You are going to need to average at least 10 kids a year that pan out so you need to be getting 15 of these kids a year for top 20-25 program. .

The State of Kentucky and the State of SC can not sustain a single top 25 program. Pa, Va, NC, and Ohio can each sustain 1 program and half of another. TN, Alabama, and Louisiana can sustain 2 top 20-25 programs. Georgia has enough kids to sustain 4-5 programs. Florida and Texas can sustain 8 each.

Put another way these States can support 30 programs, but only 15-18 will get a full haul every year.

The point is as long as Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame, and Ohio State field a football team, there are not enough players in Indiana, Ohio, Pa, Illinois, and Michigan to stock those teams with competitive talent. The addition of Ohio to the ACC recruiting footprint really does nothing for us.

The truth is coaching connections are what is important to recruiting. During the Tuberville years UC had Robert Prunty on staff and we recruited a ton of Virginia kids - despite the fact we did not have a team in Virginia in the AAC. After he left we haven’t gotten one since. We have an assistant on the team now from Philly, and he is grabbing Western PA, MD and NJ recruits (although I guess you could argue Temple and Navy is in the league).

When Tom O’Brien and Dana Bible (a UC grad) were at NC State and BC they had a pipeline to Cincinnati.

(08-18-2021 12:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-18-2021 11:54 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 05:47 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  This is a hypothetical scenario for fun.

Let’s say one of the ACC private schools drop the football program following recommendations from this board (!) and the ACC decides to add one more school. Assume ND and the other P3 schools are not available.

Which school do you think the ACC should invite?

Choices:

TCU: ACC style private school in Texas. Good football and good market

TTU: Best Texas public school currently available

Kansas: Best basketball program currently available

Baylor: Recent surge in football/basketball. In Texas

Ok State: Highest TV rating among the programs available

WVU: traditional rival for former Big East schools. Football history.

Cincy: rising profile. Fertile recruiting ground

Uconn: desperately wants to join the ACC

Navy: ND connection?

UCF: why not another Florida school?

Which ACC private do you envision being the one to drop football?

Duke dropped football 50+ years ago, they just forgot to inform the ACC.

Pretty much. Wake Forest doesn't have the money or alumni base that Duke has to throw at the problem. But Wake tries. Duke doesn't even try. Carl Franks and Ted Roof back to back as your HC is what giving up on football looks like.