(09-16-2021 02:30 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Socialized Medicine in Mississippi
That oughta speed things up. I bet it brings the costs down too.

Quote:State health leaders say that due to demand, clinics may no longer order monoclonal antibody treatments from the supplier.

“Previously, they could order directly from the supplier. Due to the increase of demand and to watch allocations more closely, we’ve gone to a different model,” said State Health Officer Dr. Thomas Dobbs. “All requests must go through the department of health.”

How dare medical professionals treat patients how they wish. They're getting desperate cuz the numbers are going down.

Those antibody treatments are incredibly effective. Everyone I know who was sick and got them improved dramatically within a few days.

(09-16-2021 06:18 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 10:45 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

We had that 60% number out of Israel and several libs did all these mathematical and mental gymnastics that "proved" it was really only unvaxxed and this was not remotely bad news for the vaccines.

For some of these people, you could literally show there was record numbers of covid deaths and 100% were fully vaxxed and they would show charts and numbers proving the vaccine works perfectly and the only people dying in those numbers you showed are unvaxxed.

Just look as Elvis's response a few posts up. You hear that and suddenly wonder why are you even talking to them about this.

The issue is not how many unvaxxed are in the hospital (that is not unexpected by anyone), the issue is the shocking number of fully vaxxed people that are still ending up in the hospital. Everyone understands that unvaxxed are going to have higher hospitalization rates (DUH captain obvious) but no one expected these stunning hospitalization rates for the fully vaxxed.

Pesky liberals and their facts. Math is easily proven or disproven. I haven’t seen you disprove any math.

You think 168 total people out of 3,500,000 vaccinated in Ireland is a “shocking number”? That is an idiotic argument. No vaccines are 100% effective.

Percentages mean nothing without knowing the absolute numbers. Rates per 100k tell us everything, and 4.4 per 100,000 is a pretty good rate.

(09-16-2021 07:15 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 06:18 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 10:45 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

We had that 60% number out of Israel and several libs did all these mathematical and mental gymnastics that "proved" it was really only unvaxxed and this was not remotely bad news for the vaccines.

For some of these people, you could literally show there was record numbers of covid deaths and 100% were fully vaxxed and they would show charts and numbers proving the vaccine works perfectly and the only people dying in those numbers you showed are unvaxxed.

Just look as Elvis's response a few posts up. You hear that and suddenly wonder why are you even talking to them about this.

The issue is not how many unvaxxed are in the hospital (that is not unexpected by anyone), the issue is the shocking number of fully vaxxed people that are still ending up in the hospital. Everyone understands that unvaxxed are going to have higher hospitalization rates (DUH captain obvious) but no one expected these stunning hospitalization rates for the fully vaxxed.

Pesky liberals and their facts. Math is easily proven or disproven. I haven’t seen you disprove any math.

You think 168 total people out of 3,500,000 vaccinated in Ireland is a “shocking number”? That is an idiotic argument. No vaccines are 100% effective.

Percentages mean nothing without knowing the absolute numbers. Rates per 100k tell us everything, and 4.4 per 100,000 is a pretty good rate.

Whats idiotic is pretending that the issue is unvaxxed means a higher rate of hospitalizations. That is not in dispute and that is an idiotic argument to be making. You might as well give stats to show the sky is blue. No **** Sherlock, that is not the issue.

You seem to be arguing that 4.4 per 100k is meaningless, but somehow 9.5 is incredibly significant and alarming. If a difference of 5 in 100k (just for hospitalization, not death) is all the vaccine can offer from a virus I already have a 99.99% survival rate from them I have zero need of it nor does any healthy young person.

You arguments are the very definition of stupid and dishonest, but they do expose just how weak your position is.

(09-16-2021 07:46 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 07:15 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 06:18 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 10:45 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

We had that 60% number out of Israel and several libs did all these mathematical and mental gymnastics that "proved" it was really only unvaxxed and this was not remotely bad news for the vaccines.

For some of these people, you could literally show there was record numbers of covid deaths and 100% were fully vaxxed and they would show charts and numbers proving the vaccine works perfectly and the only people dying in those numbers you showed are unvaxxed.

Just look as Elvis's response a few posts up. You hear that and suddenly wonder why are you even talking to them about this.

The issue is not how many unvaxxed are in the hospital (that is not unexpected by anyone), the issue is the shocking number of fully vaxxed people that are still ending up in the hospital. Everyone understands that unvaxxed are going to have higher hospitalization rates (DUH captain obvious) but no one expected these stunning hospitalization rates for the fully vaxxed.

Pesky liberals and their facts. Math is easily proven or disproven. I haven’t seen you disprove any math.

You think 168 total people out of 3,500,000 vaccinated in Ireland is a “shocking number”? That is an idiotic argument. No vaccines are 100% effective.

Percentages mean nothing without knowing the absolute numbers. Rates per 100k tell us everything, and 4.4 per 100,000 is a pretty good rate.

Whats idiotic is pretending that the issue is unvaxxed means a higher rate of hospitalizations. That is not in dispute and that is an idiotic argument to be making. You might as well give stats to show the sky is blue. No **** Sherlock, that is not the issue.

You seem to be arguing that 4.4 per 100k is meaningless, but somehow 9.5 is incredibly significant and alarming. If a difference of 5 in 100k (just for hospitalization, not death) is all the vaccine can offer from a virus I already have a 99.99% survival rate from them I have zero need of it nor does any healthy young person.

You arguments are the very definition of stupid and dishonest, but they do expose just how weak your position is.

Your argument is invalid, you don’t take into consideration where Ireland was before the vaccine. It’s right there in the article : Whereas in January up to 50 people ended up in hospital for every 1,000 Covid-19 cases, now fewer than 20 hospitalisations occur for the same number of cases.

The 9 in 100k number is pretty good compared to Mississippi and other places, but like I already said is being greatly helped by the fact that no children are vaccinated. If we calculated rates without children in that number (since very few are hospitalized it would look very different. There are 1.5M unvaccinated people in Ireland, but there are just over 1M 14 and under. The unvaccinated case rate for 14 and over would probably be more in the 24 in 100k range, 6x the vaccinated rate.

The vaccine has greatly reduced the number of cases that land in the hospital. I didn’t post the article, someone posted the headline in an attempt to show that the vaccine wasn’t working. The numbers in Ireland show the vaccine is working, you just don’t want to look past any headline and actually analyze the rates.

(09-16-2021 08:34 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  The vaccine has greatly reduced the number of cases that land in the hospital. I didn’t post the article, someone posted the headline in an attempt to show that the vaccine wasn’t working. The numbers in Ireland show the vaccine is working, you just don’t want to look past any headline and actually analyze the rates.

According to the numbers you were just pimping and arguing the difference is about 5 in 100k. I'm not the one who gave those numbers, you did.

The issue is not whether the vaccine works at all, I never said it did not work and that has been repeated about 1000 times to you now though you still can't seem to hear it. The issue is I don't feel the need to take a vaccine when I already have a 99.99% survival rate and its only a difference of about 5 in 100k just for getting sick enough to go to the ER. And millions of others who are healthy and in their prime feel that way as well.

You are well aware of all that though, you are simply too dishonest to admit its a totally valid position to take. So you just endlessly engage in fantasy arguments on straw man points that I never actually posted or suggested to cover that obvious fact up.

Its dishonest, its pathetic and everyone here can see it.

To be honest I did not read a post in this thread but thought this should go here. Just this past week in my hometown a city of 65k there are 3 obits with died with Covid and I'm 100% for sure that all 3 had their shots. One a school teacher one a school bus driver and the other a retired farmer. And my wife's friend from Tenn also had her shots and died with covid. Three out of the four were heavy smokers and all four were 50+ pounds overweight. But they took their jabs and thought they were safe.

Someone is lying to us on the numbers of those in the hospital and deaths of those that already took their shots. You dont get 3 in one week in a city under 70k if 99% of those dying are people that did not take the shot

James Monroe 'Monty' Austin
Sep 14, 2021

Bowling Green – James Monroe “Monty” Austin, age 73, born December 23, 1947 in Chattanooga, TN died Monday, September 13, 2021 at 11:24 AM after a battle with Covid. Visitation will be held from 4:00 PM – 8:00 PM Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at the J.C. Kirby & Son Lovers Lane Chapel

William 'Wayne' Sensenig
Sep 10, 2021

Oakland - William "Wayne" Sensenig of Oakland, KY died on August 21, 2021 from complications of the COVID virus. He was 85 years old.

Colleagues mourn Caverna teacher who lost battle with COVID-19
Sep 15, 2021

A high school math teacher in the Caverna Independent School District – who friends and co-workers called a “diehard ambassador for students” – has lost her battle with COVID-19

(09-16-2021 11:35 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  To be honest I did not read a post in this thread but thought this should go here. Just this past week in my hometown a city of 65k there are 3 obits with died with Covid and I'm 100% for sure that all 3 had their shots. One a school teacher one a school bus driver and the other a retired farmer. And my wife's friend from Tenn also had her shots and died with covid. Three out of the four were heavy smokers and all four were 50+ pounds overweight. But they took their jabs and thought they were safe.

Someone is lying to us on the numbers of those in the hospital and deaths of those that already took their shots. You dont get 3 in one week in a city under 70k if 99% of those dying are people that did not take the shot

James Monroe 'Monty' Austin
Sep 14, 2021

Bowling Green – James Monroe “Monty” Austin, age 73, born December 23, 1947 in Chattanooga, TN died Monday, September 13, 2021 at 11:24 AM after a battle with Covid. Visitation will be held from 4:00 PM – 8:00 PM Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at the J.C. Kirby & Son Lovers Lane Chapel

William 'Wayne' Sensenig
Sep 10, 2021

Oakland - William "Wayne" Sensenig of Oakland, KY died on August 21, 2021 from complications of the COVID virus. He was 85 years old.

Colleagues mourn Caverna teacher who lost battle with COVID-19
Sep 15, 2021

A high school math teacher in the Caverna Independent School District – who friends and co-workers called a “diehard ambassador for students” – has lost her battle with COVID-19

It is not a coincidence that Covid basically went away at the beginning of this year with no one "vaccinated" and then as the number of vaccinated rose the number of cases rose. Next we will see serious cases of those that have had COVID AND have been "vaccinated". It is a weapon and our leaders are too stupid to figure it out or are in on it and are hiding it from us. The more I see, the more I think the latter.

After all the proven, documented lies that have been exposed, how can people still call this a "conspiracy theory".

(09-16-2021 08:54 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 08:34 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  The vaccine has greatly reduced the number of cases that land in the hospital. I didn’t post the article, someone posted the headline in an attempt to show that the vaccine wasn’t working. The numbers in Ireland show the vaccine is working, you just don’t want to look past any headline and actually analyze the rates.

According to the numbers you were just pimping and arguing the difference is about 5 in 100k. I'm not the one who gave those numbers, you did.

The issue is not whether the vaccine works at all, I never said it did not work and that has been repeated about 1000 times to you now though you still can't seem to hear it. The issue is I don't feel the need to take a vaccine when I already have a 99.99% survival rate and its only a difference of about 5 in 100k just for getting sick enough to go to the ER. And millions of others who are healthy and in their prime feel that way as well.

You are well aware of all that though, you are simply too dishonest to admit its a totally valid position to take. So you just endlessly engage in fantasy arguments on straw man points that I never actually posted or suggested to cover that obvious fact up.

Its dishonest, its pathetic and everyone here can see it.

As you are well aware the only reason the difference is so low is because 90% of eligible adults have been vaccinated, which means 1M+ of the 1.5M unvaccinated are under 14 with the lowest hospitalization rate. The ratio would be around 24 in 100k excluding the under 14 population. Your argument again locks into a single thing with no ability to take in context.

I do like how the hypocrisy of your vaccine arguments is easy to point out. You made multiple threads declaring the failure of the vaccine in Israel because the 60% of hospitalized Israelis were vaccinated. The total hospitalization rate for Israel then was 4 in 100k and you were declaring it a surge and a complete failure of the vaccine. Now you consider 5 in 100k a trivial number.

So which is it? Is 4 in 100k the end of the world and the complete failure of the vaccine in Israel, or is it a trivial benefit in Ireland? It can’t be both.

I consistently fall back to analyzing rates to determine effectiveness, your arguments continue to fall back to whichever argument of convenience you think supports your position with no regard to intellectual honesty.

Here's my vaccine argument.

My freedom is worth 1,000,000 times more to me than your fear.

I’m not a peasant and Joe Biden isn’t my King. He works for me. I don’t give two chits what he mandates.

If you don’t like that - cry me a river.

Now what?

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/m...mm7037e1_w

The CDC is owned and operated by Washington DC. You believe them if you choose. I choose not to.

(09-17-2021 10:08 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  The CDC is owned and operated by Washington DC. You believe them if you choose. I choose not to.

Bingo. Because the CDC has been entirely forthcoming and honest this whole time, as well as being entirely apolitical this entire time. They work for DC, not us. My signature line says it all about "we the people."

(09-16-2021 07:15 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 06:18 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 10:45 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

We had that 60% number out of Israel and several libs did all these mathematical and mental gymnastics that "proved" it was really only unvaxxed and this was not remotely bad news for the vaccines.

For some of these people, you could literally show there was record numbers of covid deaths and 100% were fully vaxxed and they would show charts and numbers proving the vaccine works perfectly and the only people dying in those numbers you showed are unvaxxed.

Just look as Elvis's response a few posts up. You hear that and suddenly wonder why are you even talking to them about this.

The issue is not how many unvaxxed are in the hospital (that is not unexpected by anyone), the issue is the shocking number of fully vaxxed people that are still ending up in the hospital. Everyone understands that unvaxxed are going to have higher hospitalization rates (DUH captain obvious) but no one expected these stunning hospitalization rates for the fully vaxxed.

Pesky liberals and their facts. Math is easily proven or disproven. I haven’t seen you disprove any math.

You think 168 total people out of 3,500,000 vaccinated in Ireland is a “shocking number”? That is an idiotic argument. No vaccines are 100% effective.

Percentages mean nothing without knowing the absolute numbers. Rates per 100k tell us everything, and 4.4 per 100,000 is a pretty good rate.

You Said, "No vaccines are 100% effective."

Do you have a Link for that comment ? Because it has to be a lie. How about Polio or Smallpox, when's the last time you seen them around in the USA?

Also the covid shot is not a vaccine. I sure you're not a dumb person, just misinformed.

(09-16-2021 11:35 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  To be honest I did not read a post in this thread but thought this should go here. Just this past week in my hometown a city of 65k there are 3 obits with died with Covid and I'm 100% for sure that all 3 had their shots. One a school teacher one a school bus driver and the other a retired farmer. And my wife's friend from Tenn also had her shots and died with covid. Three out of the four were heavy smokers and all four were 50+ pounds overweight. But they took their jabs and thought they were safe.

Someone is lying to us on the numbers of those in the hospital and deaths of those that already took their shots. You dont get 3 in one week in a city under 70k if 99% of those dying are people that did not take the shot

James Monroe 'Monty' Austin
Sep 14, 2021

Bowling Green – James Monroe “Monty” Austin, age 73, born December 23, 1947 in Chattanooga, TN died Monday, September 13, 2021 at 11:24 AM after a battle with Covid. Visitation will be held from 4:00 PM – 8:00 PM Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at the J.C. Kirby & Son Lovers Lane Chapel

William 'Wayne' Sensenig
Sep 10, 2021

Oakland - William "Wayne" Sensenig of Oakland, KY died on August 21, 2021 from complications of the COVID virus. He was 85 years old.

Colleagues mourn Caverna teacher who lost battle with COVID-19
Sep 15, 2021

A high school math teacher in the Caverna Independent School District – who friends and co-workers called a “diehard ambassador for students” – has lost her battle with COVID-19

So, I'm guessing they couldnt be treated with ivermectin or monoclonal because of the Biden* induced shortages?

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/...356v1.full

(09-17-2021 11:31 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/...356v1.full

Still looking for that Link on that comment you made Elvis.

(09-17-2021 10:55 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 07:15 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 06:18 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 10:45 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

We had that 60% number out of Israel and several libs did all these mathematical and mental gymnastics that "proved" it was really only unvaxxed and this was not remotely bad news for the vaccines.

For some of these people, you could literally show there was record numbers of covid deaths and 100% were fully vaxxed and they would show charts and numbers proving the vaccine works perfectly and the only people dying in those numbers you showed are unvaxxed.

Just look as Elvis's response a few posts up. You hear that and suddenly wonder why are you even talking to them about this.

The issue is not how many unvaxxed are in the hospital (that is not unexpected by anyone), the issue is the shocking number of fully vaxxed people that are still ending up in the hospital. Everyone understands that unvaxxed are going to have higher hospitalization rates (DUH captain obvious) but no one expected these stunning hospitalization rates for the fully vaxxed.

Pesky liberals and their facts. Math is easily proven or disproven. I haven’t seen you disprove any math.

You think 168 total people out of 3,500,000 vaccinated in Ireland is a “shocking number”? That is an idiotic argument. No vaccines are 100% effective.

Percentages mean nothing without knowing the absolute numbers. Rates per 100k tell us everything, and 4.4 per 100,000 is a pretty good rate.

You Said, "No vaccines are 100% effective."

Do you have a Link for that comment ? Because it has to be a lie. How about Polio or Smallpox, when's the last time you seen them around in the USA?

Also the covid shot is not a vaccine. I sure you're not a dumb person, just misinformed.

The smallpox vaccine is 95% effective for the first 3 to 5 years and requires a booster after that.
https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/7022/

Polio is 90% effective after two doses, and 99% effective after four doses, but the four doses are required to be delivered over four years to build that immunity (Last IPV injection in the US is between 4 and 6 years old).

A one time booster polio vaccination is sometimes recommended for travel to locations with high risk of wild polio exposure.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/p...index.html

(09-17-2021 11:35 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 11:31 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/...356v1.full

Still looking for that Link on that comment you made Elvis.

Slow your roll dog.

Why do you bother? You are NEVER going to convince ANYONE here of your agenda. Does it give you some warm fuzzy feeling to go around pushing your narrative on people who are never going to accept it? Wouldn't you be happier on Twitter where most everyone already agrees with you?