(08-17-2021 08:10 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Yes. That is a good example of propaganda considering no one needs them. Good job. You're figuring this out. I'm sure the funeral homes will send their paying customers' loved ones out in a truck in the parking lot and not the illegals ranchers are finding dead on their property.

Texas needed mortuary trucks in the last surge.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/coron...51175.html

Yes and China had dead bodies littering their streets and New York has refrigerated trucks with bodies for months. You're so brain dead and gullible.

The mark of the Left.

(08-17-2021 08:22 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 08:10 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Yes. That is a good example of propaganda considering no one needs them. Good job. You're figuring this out. I'm sure the funeral homes will send their paying customers' loved ones out in a truck in the parking lot and not the illegals ranchers are finding dead on their property.

Texas needed mortuary trucks in the last surge.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/coron...51175.html

Its behind a paywall. I dont know whats more sad, the fact that you fall for slanted fake news, or the fact that you pay for it.

In all fairness, virtually ALL the news is fake now.

(08-17-2021 08:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 07:59 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 07:42 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 10:48 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 10:43 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Texas is only 44% vaccinated and banned mask mandates, so you should probably thank Greg Abbott and the right wing media for this batch of dead Texans.

Im shocked you didnt include anything about the tens of thousands illegals who are roaming around after testing positive

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Talking. Point. Delivered.

https://news.yahoo.com/more-1-500-corona...00567.html

More like fact delivered.

You guys think the facts of deaths and infections and hospital beds and vaccine efficacy are faked.

Maybe sit this one out?

Maybe you should. Worrying about deaths, infections, hospital beds and vaccines while making the southern border a sieve with people infected with Covid and god knows what else being released into the interior shows selective concern.

There not even trying to be legitimate anymore.
99% of Covid Cases are unvaccinated.
Nothing they report can be believed. So what they are saying below is that the 1% that is vaccinated are making up the 14% that are hospitalized? So. If you are vaccinated and get Covid you are just about guaranteed to be hospitalized? Really. They are losing it because Covid hospitalizations are decreasing too fast.

Quote:MSDH records also show that 99% of COVID cases are in Mississippians not fully vaccinated, who also accounted for 86% of hospitalizations and deaths, from Aug. 10-Sept. 6.

Just outright lies. Incredible.

Even more incredible is the people that believe them blindly.

They're getting desperate.

Quote:Only one of four field hospitals that had been set up in Mississippi is still operating. And that one is only partially operating now. It’s the one at St. Dominic’s that’s relieving their emergency room and giving immediate referrals for monoclonal antibodies.

Inside scoop: The tents in the Jackson hospital parking garage where they had the big scary press conference was NEVER used.

Quote:A New York City ICU Nurse has courageously come forward to say that she and many other doctors are being pressured into unsafe vaccines and are ready to quit.

An estimated 10-15% of Doctors may quit their jobs rather than be forced to receive an unreliable and risky vaccine, according to a new COVID Doctor whistleblower. This is in response to Joe Biden’s dramatic push to require nationwide vaccinations with zero exemptions.

Biden blamed so-called ‘vaccine refusers’ for the spread of COVID, even though experts disagree about the cause of the continued spread of the pandemic. Meanwhile elite opinion has calcified to say any vaccine refusal should be punished.

“We are being pressured to vaccinate, and we see the large number of Vaccine complications in our ICU’s and ER’s that are going unreported. Doctors are afraid to report all of these vaccine complications even though we are clearly seeing them,” said Dr. Mollie James, an ICU (Intensive Care Unit) Doctor in New York City. “The serious risks of complications are coming from those with natural immunity who then receive the vaccine or boosters, and frontline doctors and nurses have natural immunity after a year of fighting COVID and being exposed. These vaccine complication risks coming from an unwise mandate are serious, and include increased risks of stroke, heart attack, and death.”

This is in contrast to the official story from the American Centers for Disease Control which say that vaccine complications are “extremely unlikely.”

Major media outlets are even encouraging Americans to get multiple vaccines at the same time, because, they claim, there are no health risks.

James relates how many Doctors are being pressured to accommodate the COVID politics rather than the COVID scientific, health, or ethical necessities. Yesterday a New York federal judge agreed temporarily that these healthcare mandates were too stringent, and stopped a planned vaccine mandate because it lacked a religious exemption.

Dr. James feels as though the fight about allowing religious exemptions only tells part of the story however:

“I would estimate 30% of the ICU patients in NYC are from vaccine complications but nobody wants to talk about that. They get coded as something else or they will ignore the fact an otherwise healthy person had a heart attack or stroke within 48 hours of receiving the vaccine,” Dr. James said. “I have seen vaccine complications in the general public, and even among healthcare providers. This is a serious problem and it’s only getting worse, and these mandates will make it much worse, but we won’t have the data to deal with it because of politics.”

Dr. James says that her colleagues won’t get the vaccine because they know the truth: the vaccines have common side effects that aren’t being reported because of politics.

“Never in my lifetime have I seen medicine so politicized, where individual treatments are banned because of who is promoting them. It’s a scary time to be a healthcare professional, and the public needs to know how bad things are getting. Your healthcare is being guided by political demands, not by what will lead to the best individual healthcare outcomes,” Dr. James said.

Dr. James was previously terminated from a telemedicine position because she refused to receive a mandatory COVID vaccine to continue treating patients over a computer screen, even though there was no scientific risk of infection by internet.

“These mandates are not scientific, they are not ethical, and they are not needed. We need Doctors to direct these policies to overcome COVID, not lying politicians like Biden who are going to make this crisis much worse.”

https://www.survivethenews.com/covid-whi...ed-to-lie/

Seems like I’ve heard people here saying this same thing. Odd.

The vaccinated are all that's left to get it.

Irish Times is pretty progressive too.

(09-16-2021 11:14 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Irish Times is pretty progressive too.

I believe it's possible for some Progressives to be objective and truthful, just not in the United States.

Quote:Another COVID ‘Fact’ Turns Out To Be A Wild Exaggeration

We keep hearing how hospitals are being overrun with COVID patients because of those dastardly unvaccinated. This has certainly made the Delta variant look highly dangerous, helped keep people in a state of panic, and ginned up support for draconian vaccine mandates. But is it as bad as we’re being told?

Two studies suggest that all the talk of mass hospitalization from the COVID outbreak is a huge exaggeration. Researchers found that a substantial number of those admitted to hospitals – adults and children – either have minor symptoms or were checked in for something else but happened to test positive for COVID after being admitted.

Of course, that’s not the message the public is getting. Instead, we are being treated daily to headlines such as:

“Child Covid-19 hospitalizations soar, filling pediatric wings, data show”

“COVID-19 Hospitals: overrun with COVID patients”

“As Idaho hospitals ration care, doctors fear a COVID peak may still be weeks away”

When the death rate from COVID plunged, the media started focusing on the number of people hospitalized as the “better” indicator of how serious the current COVID outbreak is.

But that measure is grossly inflated because hospitals test every patient and are required to report any positive result, even if the patient has no symptoms. The result, as a surprisingly honest article in The Atlantic points out, is that “the overall tallies of COVID hospitalizations, made available on various state and federal dashboards and widely reported on by the media, do not differentiate based on severity of illness.”

The article points to new a new study by researchers the VA Boston Healthcare System and Tufts University, which tried to understand the severity of these hospital visits by looking at electronic records data from Veterans Affairs hospitals across the country. That way they could see which COVID patients needed supplemental oxygen or whose blood oxygen level went below 94%, which are indicators of a severe COVID case.

They found that last year, as COVID was emerging and before there were any vaccines, nearly two-thirds of those who tested positive in hospitals for COVID had severe symptoms. But this year, only about half did. The rest either had been admitted for other reasons or had a mild case of the disease.

And that’s not just because more of those admitted this year have been vaccinated. The researchers found that unvaccinated patients also had milder symptoms overall this year than last.

One of the study’s authors said this “may be explained by the fact that unvaccinated patients in the vaccine era tend to be a younger cohort who are less vulnerable to COVID and may be more likely to have been infected in the past.”

This isn’t the first study to conclude that hospitalization numbers were off the mark. Two research papers published in May concluded that COVID hospitalization rates for children were inflated by at least 40% for the same reason – many had mild cases or had been admitted to the hospital for unrelated health problems.

Yes, some hospitals are strained by COVID patients. But even that could be the result of the panic being spread. If people with sniffles are rushing to the hospital to get tested for COVID, then admitted for observation, then of course some hospitals will be overrun. (One doctor was recently seen on a leaked Zoom conference call talking to a North Carolina hospital’s director of marketing about exaggerating COVID hospital cases to make it “a little bit more scary for the public.”)

Once again, any good news about COVID is getting buried, even as the disease becomes less and less of a threat.

Liberal politicians and the mainstream press could change this, if they’d be more measured in their statements and more honest about the real risks COVID poses. But for their own selfish reasons, neither group wants to do so.

https://issuesinsights.com/2021/09/16/an...ggeration/

What we won't hear is the current Covid vaccinations that are available are for a virus that hasn't been around in over a year. People forget the Pharms. have to guess which "strains" to put in flu shots every year because there are so many different types. Same for Covid. The current and future "strains" aren't covered by the old Covid shot. But by all means force it on us. People are so stupid.

Socialized Medicine in Mississippi
That oughta speed things up. I bet it brings the costs down too.

Quote:State health leaders say that due to demand, clinics may no longer order monoclonal antibody treatments from the supplier.

“Previously, they could order directly from the supplier. Due to the increase of demand and to watch allocations more closely, we’ve gone to a different model,” said State Health Officer Dr. Thomas Dobbs. “All requests must go through the department of health.”

How dare medical professionals treat patients how they wish. They're getting desperate cuz the numbers are going down.

(09-16-2021 10:45 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

From the actual article

Quote:Whereas in January up to 50 people ended up in hospital for every 1,000 Covid-19 cases, now fewer than 20 hospitalisations occur for the same number of cases.

“But for the vaccination programme, hospitals would have been overwhelmed,” Dr Henry said. “The impact is also clear in terms of reduced translation of numbers of cases into patients who require intensive care.”

About 90 per cent of the adult population has received a full course of vaccination, either two doses or one. People are considered fully vaccinated one week after their second dose of Pfizer vaccine, or two weeks after receiving any of the other three authorised vaccines.

For every vaccinated person requiring admission to hospital with a breakthrough infection, vaccines avert 10 to 12 other severe infections and hospital admissions, Prof Philip Nolan of the National Public Health Emergency Team estimated last month.

Let's look at the numbers. Ireland has 4.9M people with a 71.4% vaccination rate (have to look at all ages since we don't know the patient breakdown to do age ranges).

So the vaccinated population of Ireland is 3.5M and the unvaccinated population is 1.4M. With 54% of 290 patients in the hospital vaccinated that is 4.4 per 100k population for vaccinated patients and 9.5 per 100k for unvaccinated. So just in quick math the unvaccinated are being hospitalized at twice the rate of the vaccinated, and since 90% of the people over 18 are vaccinated that unvaccinated population includes all the kids which produce a minuscule amount of the cases. If you could sort this into age range like the Israeli data you would see a bigger difference.

(08-17-2021 08:35 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  In all fairness, virtually ALL the news is fake now.

You know, what really is a sad, sad situation is that both government and media have lied so much that their believability is at about zero.

Then, when they may tell the truth about something- tons don’t believe it.

Sucks, but I just assume they are lying until I can somewhat verify….

(09-16-2021 10:45 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

We had that 60% number out of Israel and several libs did all these mathematical and mental gymnastics that "proved" it was really only unvaxxed and this was not remotely bad news for the vaccines.

For some of these people, you could literally show there was record numbers of covid deaths and 100% were fully vaxxed and they would show charts and numbers proving the vaccine works perfectly and the only people dying in those numbers you showed are unvaxxed.

Just look as Elvis's response a few posts up. You hear that and suddenly wonder why are you even talking to them about this.

The issue is not how many unvaxxed are in the hospital (that is not unexpected by anyone), the issue is the shocking number of fully vaxxed people that are still ending up in the hospital. Everyone understands that unvaxxed are going to have higher hospitalization rates (DUH captain obvious) but no one expected these stunning hospitalization rates for the fully vaxxed.