As has been shown recently, ESPN is willing to collude with conferences and offer inducements, to reduce ESPN rights obligations. Consolidating CFB biggest brands into a league that already has a longterm deal locks down brands while also reducing the value of future rights negotiations. This exceptionally useful when you are the sole rights holder. We see this at play with Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC. Could this be about to repeat?

With the B1G broadcasting rights up for negotiation in the near future, the much bemoaned ACC contract might be particularly useful as a landing spot for Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State and a full time member Notre Dame. This might sound radical, given the revenue gap, but paying Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State and Notre Dame the "SEC" rate in the ACC would be cheaper than bidding on a "full" B1G. The ACC might also collude to demote Duke and Wake to non-football members of the ACC, with a Notre Dame style deal. The rest of the league could agree to uneven revenue in exchange for the stability of being in the power 2. Likely Clemson, Florida State and others in the southern wing would be granted the SEC rate.

Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan would soldify access to southern talent and inclusion in the power 2.
Thoughts?

If Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State wanted SEC-style money, wouldn't it be better to get it as members of the SEC?

(07-29-2021 03:16 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  If Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State wanted SEC-style money, wouldn't it be better to get it as members of the SEC?

Allows access to north eastern US for fan diaspora.

Allows the veneer of a high academics conference.

Shorter distance to travel for teams. On less of an island.

The difference is that the Big Ten makes about 30% more money than the ACC.

Even without Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State, the Big Ten would probably make as much money as the current ACC. They'd still have higher total student enrollment (despite 3 fewer schools), higher average athletic budgets, and higher average attendance in both major sports.

People don't realize how big the Big Ten schools are. The ACC's largest school (FSU) would be the 4th or 5th smallest in the Big Ten. The schools with the smallest endowment in the Big Ten (Iowa) and the smallest enrollment in the Big Ten (Northwestern) would be about average in that number in the ACC.

The people on this board are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo delusional its unreal. I am speechless.

(07-29-2021 04:53 PM)mvcfan76 Wrote:  The people on this board are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo delusional its unreal. I am speechless.

I am not saying it is likely, or really in any of the schools best interests. I am saying it would be in ESPN's interest. I am well aware of the revenue hierarchy and size. The reason the ACC is appealing to ESPN is the control it grants them

Sounds good on paper but highly unlikely to ever happen

(07-29-2021 05:11 PM)LeeNobody Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 04:53 PM)mvcfan76 Wrote:  The people on this board are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo delusional its unreal. I am speechless.

I am not saying it is likely, or really in any of the schools best interests. I am saying it would be in ESPN's interest. I am well aware of the revenue hierarchy and size. The reason the ACC is appealing to ESPN is the control it grants them

ACC's value to ESPN is cost control. There are too many mid card programs in the ACC to double the current payouts which is what you would need to do to begin tempting the heavyweights of the B1G but at that point the ACC's value to ESPN tanks.

(07-29-2021 03:09 PM)LeeNobody Wrote:  As has been shown recently, ESPN is willing to collude with conferences and offer inducements, to reduce ESPN rights obligations. Consolidating CFB biggest brands into a league that already has a longterm deal locks down brands while also reducing the value of future rights negotiations. This exceptionally useful when you are the sole rights holder. We see this at play with Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC. Could this be about to repeat?

With the B1G broadcasting rights up for negotiation in the near future, the much bemoaned ACC contract might be particularly useful as a landing spot for Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State and a full time member Notre Dame. This might sound radical, given the revenue gap, but paying Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State and Notre Dame the "SEC" rate in the ACC would be cheaper than bidding on a "full" B1G. The ACC might also collude to demote Duke and Wake to non-football members of the ACC, with a Notre Dame style deal. The rest of the league could agree to uneven revenue in exchange for the stability of being in the power 2. Likely Clemson, Florida State and others in the southern wing would be granted the SEC rate.

Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan would soldify access to southern talent and inclusion in the power 2.
Thoughts?

No one is kicking Duke put of anything, when is this going to stop? The school could literally buy most of the poster's schools outright if such a thing was permitted.

(07-29-2021 03:22 PM)LeeNobody Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 03:16 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  If Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State wanted SEC-style money, wouldn't it be better to get it as members of the SEC?

Allows access to north eastern US for fan diaspora.

Allows the veneer of a high academics conference.

Shorter distance to travel for teams. On less of an island.

Is travelling to games going to be permitted in the future?

(07-29-2021 05:33 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 03:09 PM)LeeNobody Wrote:  As has been shown recently, ESPN is willing to collude with conferences and offer inducements, to reduce ESPN rights obligations. Consolidating CFB biggest brands into a league that already has a longterm deal locks down brands while also reducing the value of future rights negotiations. This exceptionally useful when you are the sole rights holder. We see this at play with Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC. Could this be about to repeat?

With the B1G broadcasting rights up for negotiation in the near future, the much bemoaned ACC contract might be particularly useful as a landing spot for Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State and a full time member Notre Dame. This might sound radical, given the revenue gap, but paying Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State and Notre Dame the "SEC" rate in the ACC would be cheaper than bidding on a "full" B1G. The ACC might also collude to demote Duke and Wake to non-football members of the ACC, with a Notre Dame style deal. The rest of the league could agree to uneven revenue in exchange for the stability of being in the power 2. Likely Clemson, Florida State and others in the southern wing would be granted the SEC rate.

Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan would soldify access to southern talent and inclusion in the power 2.
Thoughts?

No one is kicking Duke put of anything, when is this going to stop? The school could literally buy most of the poster's schools outright if such a thing was permitted.

Maybe Duke should start paying fans to attend football games and watch them on TV then.

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(07-29-2021 05:33 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  No one is kicking Duke put of anything, when is this going to stop? The school could literally buy most of the poster's schools outright if such a thing was permitted.

Duke is not that powerful.

I believe in the 32-team SEC/NFL League concept.

It was estimated that SEC distribution was $68 mil per school prior to Texas and OU additions. It would probably be fair to say that the addition gets them to at least $75 mil per school.
(https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...088290002/)

On top of that, Saban floating out there that star players can easily make a $1 Million in NIL being in the SEC.

I'd say the SEC is set to dominate college football the next decade or 2. Expanded CFP will only mean SEC brings like 6 teams every year.

SEC's wealth gap is widening, it's only a matter of time before FSU, Clemson, Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon and (insert another PAC team) request invites to the SEC too.

NIL is only the beginning of player rights and the NCAA model is failing to keep up. SEC might use that to say the NCAA doesn't meet the needs of today's college football and breakoff completely. We don't need 4 super leagues breakoff if the SEC can breakoff on its own and become NFL-Lite.

That's like the doomsday scenario down the road.

Today I feel like the discuss will start to change. Is there still a P5 or P4.... or is the SEC so dominant the discussion changes to the SEC vs the field.

If one conference to rule them all is ESPN’s plan I’m going to throw out a number: 36

That’s enough for 6 pods of 6 and allows them to co-opt most of the Big 10 and select members of the ACC.

I think this whole thing is BS. Whatever ESPN saves on the B12, it will pay to the SEC. No one seriously believes any B12 schools are going to the AAC. Even if the B12 gets raided further, which seems unlikely, its remaining schools will still be in a better position to raid the AAC than the other way around.