(07-29-2021 11:27 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:20 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:16 AM)mvcfan76 Wrote:  Anyone who thinks the big 12 wont be able to pick off AAC schools is so delusional it is unbelieveable. What is Cincinnati going to take less money to stick with a company that purposefully f***ed them a decade ago when it was beneficial for espn? The Bearcats hold no delusions and will look out for number one. They know espn will leave them high and dry the moment they can if it makes the mouse a pretty penny.

ESPN might offer them more money to stay in the AAC than they "project" they will end up paying the Big Leftovers. It might end up being a relatively small investment for ESPN to bump the AAC payouts up in order to push the leftovers into the AAC. You get what you pay for ....

Yep, they will throw some more money at them and the Irate 8 will be looking at the MWC for expansion.

Not sure who your dog is in this fight, but they’re going to lose because you’re totally wrong.

(07-29-2021 11:54 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:27 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:20 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:16 AM)mvcfan76 Wrote:  Anyone who thinks the big 12 wont be able to pick off AAC schools is so delusional it is unbelieveable. What is Cincinnati going to take less money to stick with a company that purposefully f***ed them a decade ago when it was beneficial for espn? The Bearcats hold no delusions and will look out for number one. They know espn will leave them high and dry the moment they can if it makes the mouse a pretty penny.

ESPN might offer them more money to stay in the AAC than they "project" they will end up paying the Big Leftovers. It might end up being a relatively small investment for ESPN to bump the AAC payouts up in order to push the leftovers into the AAC. You get what you pay for ....

Yep, they will throw some more money at them and the Irate 8 will be looking at the MWC for expansion.

Not sure who your dog is in this fight, but they’re going to lose because you’re totally wrong.

We'll see. I have no dog in the fight.

(07-29-2021 11:56 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:54 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:27 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:20 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:16 AM)mvcfan76 Wrote:  Anyone who thinks the big 12 wont be able to pick off AAC schools is so delusional it is unbelieveable. What is Cincinnati going to take less money to stick with a company that purposefully f***ed them a decade ago when it was beneficial for espn? The Bearcats hold no delusions and will look out for number one. They know espn will leave them high and dry the moment they can if it makes the mouse a pretty penny.

ESPN might offer them more money to stay in the AAC than they "project" they will end up paying the Big Leftovers. It might end up being a relatively small investment for ESPN to bump the AAC payouts up in order to push the leftovers into the AAC. You get what you pay for ....

Yep, they will throw some more money at them and the Irate 8 will be looking at the MWC for expansion.

Not sure who your dog is in this fight, but they’re going to lose because you’re totally wrong.

We'll see. I have no dog in the fight.

There is NO world where Kansas and Wichita State are in the same conference. C’mon man!

(07-29-2021 11:58 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:56 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:54 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:27 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:20 AM)Claw Wrote:  ESPN might offer them more money to stay in the AAC than they "project" they will end up paying the Big Leftovers. It might end up being a relatively small investment for ESPN to bump the AAC payouts up in order to push the leftovers into the AAC. You get what you pay for ....

Yep, they will throw some more money at them and the Irate 8 will be looking at the MWC for expansion.

Not sure who your dog is in this fight, but they’re going to lose because you’re totally wrong.

We'll see. I have no dog in the fight.

There is NO world where Kansas and Wichita State are in the same conference. C’mon man!

I am saying that ESPN will protect the AAC (for now). They need them for their streaming . The irate 8 may stay, but I believe they will raid the MWC.

(07-29-2021 12:01 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:58 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:56 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:54 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:27 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Yep, they will throw some more money at them and the Irate 8 will be looking at the MWC for expansion.

Not sure who your dog is in this fight, but they’re going to lose because you’re totally wrong.

We'll see. I have no dog in the fight.

There is NO world where Kansas and Wichita State are in the same conference. C’mon man!

I am saying that ESPN will protect the AAC (for now). They need them for their streaming . The irate 8 may stay, but I believe they will raid the MWC.

Adding Colorado State might be a good idea (Boise is still too far-flung), but any Big XII backfill that only adds Mountain or Central time zone schools from the MWC and doesn't address the whole West Virginia-on-an-island geography problem makes little sense, so at least they'd have to poach Cincy from the AAC.

(07-29-2021 11:53 AM)mvcfan76 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:34 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:27 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:20 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:16 AM)mvcfan76 Wrote:  Anyone who thinks the big 12 wont be able to pick off AAC schools is so delusional it is unbelieveable. What is Cincinnati going to take less money to stick with a company that purposefully f***ed them a decade ago when it was beneficial for espn? The Bearcats hold no delusions and will look out for number one. They know espn will leave them high and dry the moment they can if it makes the mouse a pretty penny.

ESPN might offer them more money to stay in the AAC than they "project" they will end up paying the Big Leftovers. It might end up being a relatively small investment for ESPN to bump the AAC payouts up in order to push the leftovers into the AAC. You get what you pay for ....

Yep, they will throw some more money at them and the Irate 8 will be looking at the MWC for expansion.

How would that benefit ESPN? Unless they can get the B12 to fold there's none. They still are paying the B12 plus are now paying the AAC more? That's a shrewd business move indeed.

I think people are having a tough time coming to grips with this. If the big 12 sticks together they pay the buyout regardless. The shenanigans with the aac was to avoid that buyout. ESPN would have to pay each aac school about 6 mil per year more to prevent a jump. That's about 70 mil a year (and that would only match the big 12) and bumping pay for 2 or 3 years wont prevent someone from jumping, realignment is a long term decision not for a short payday. So espn would then pay same fee to big 12 and then piss away 100s of millions of dollars to spite the big 12?(and honestly to make the money enough to prevent defections that pay would approach a billion additional dollars)People need to understand for ESPN it is nothing personal it's just business they arent going to piss away that kinda of money cuz bowlsby has his panties in a wad.

And that wouldnt include the additional payout for being autonomous. (If the B12 went to 12 teams, that would be another 5.5million per year per team.) Plus NCAA tournament credits would be substantially higher in the B12.

So ESPN would have to pay each AAC team A LOT more, and the issue with that is that there are some dead weights in the AAC they would have to also pay.

They are going to come out cheaper by working with Fox and paying the B12+4aac teams more money, where they can also negotiate getting TX and OU to the SEC sooner.

(07-29-2021 10:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  BYU will want to keep their network, and don’t they have a contract with ESPN? I see that as problematic, in addition to other issues with BYU’s admittance.

Two of Houston, Cincinnati, and UCF seem to be the most sensible options, although BYU would be the best overall addition. Too much baggage.

I’m sure whoever gets BYU will let them keep their football games versus Weber State and Presbyterian on the BYU network.

(07-29-2021 12:06 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:53 AM)mvcfan76 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:34 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:27 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:20 AM)Claw Wrote:  ESPN might offer them more money to stay in the AAC than they "project" they will end up paying the Big Leftovers. It might end up being a relatively small investment for ESPN to bump the AAC payouts up in order to push the leftovers into the AAC. You get what you pay for ....

Yep, they will throw some more money at them and the Irate 8 will be looking at the MWC for expansion.

How would that benefit ESPN? Unless they can get the B12 to fold there's none. They still are paying the B12 plus are now paying the AAC more? That's a shrewd business move indeed.

I think people are having a tough time coming to grips with this. If the big 12 sticks together they pay the buyout regardless. The shenanigans with the aac was to avoid that buyout. ESPN would have to pay each aac school about 6 mil per year more to prevent a jump. That's about 70 mil a year (and that would only match the big 12) and bumping pay for 2 or 3 years wont prevent someone from jumping, realignment is a long term decision not for a short payday. So espn would then pay same fee to big 12 and then piss away 100s of millions of dollars to spite the big 12?(and honestly to make the money enough to prevent defections that pay would approach a billion additional dollars)People need to understand for ESPN it is nothing personal it's just business they arent going to piss away that kinda of money cuz bowlsby has his panties in a wad.

And that wouldnt include the additional payout for being autonomous. (If the B12 went to 12 teams, that would be another 5.5million per year per team.) Plus NCAA tournament credits would be substantially higher in the B12.

So ESPN would have to pay each AAC team A LOT more, and the issue with that is that there are some dead weights in the AAC they would have to also pay.

They are going to come out cheaper by working with Fox and paying the B12+4aac teams more money, where they can also negotiate getting TX and OU to the SEC sooner.

And also ticket sales. I bet you a school like memphis makes a lot more at the gate with kansas and baylor at then wichita state and smu (who would be the top brands that wouldn't join big 12 with you). There is so much money they'd have to pay to make it worth it for cincy, memphis, houston, and UCF (cuz let's be real those are the 4)

(07-29-2021 12:06 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:53 AM)mvcfan76 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:34 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:27 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:20 AM)Claw Wrote:  ESPN might offer them more money to stay in the AAC than they "project" they will end up paying the Big Leftovers. It might end up being a relatively small investment for ESPN to bump the AAC payouts up in order to push the leftovers into the AAC. You get what you pay for ....

Yep, they will throw some more money at them and the Irate 8 will be looking at the MWC for expansion.

How would that benefit ESPN? Unless they can get the B12 to fold there's none. They still are paying the B12 plus are now paying the AAC more? That's a shrewd business move indeed.

I think people are having a tough time coming to grips with this. If the big 12 sticks together they pay the buyout regardless. The shenanigans with the aac was to avoid that buyout. ESPN would have to pay each aac school about 6 mil per year more to prevent a jump. That's about 70 mil a year (and that would only match the big 12) and bumping pay for 2 or 3 years wont prevent someone from jumping, realignment is a long term decision not for a short payday. So espn would then pay same fee to big 12 and then piss away 100s of millions of dollars to spite the big 12?(and honestly to make the money enough to prevent defections that pay would approach a billion additional dollars)People need to understand for ESPN it is nothing personal it's just business they arent going to piss away that kinda of money cuz bowlsby has his panties in a wad.

And that wouldnt include the additional payout for being autonomous. (If the B12 went to 12 teams, that would be another 5.5million per year per team.) Plus NCAA tournament credits would be substantially higher in the B12.

So ESPN would have to pay each AAC team A LOT more, and the issue with that is that there are some dead weights in the AAC they would have to also pay.

They are going to come out cheaper by working with Fox and paying the B12+4aac teams more money, where they can also negotiate getting TX and OU to the SEC sooner.

^^^This.

(07-29-2021 10:48 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 10:19 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 10:11 AM)solohawks Wrote:  It will be fascinating if they can pick of any schools in ESPN's AAC since they have planted themselves pretty firmly in the non ESPN camp of college sports.

That's not happening, especially with the cease and desist.

They won't be getting BYU either another ESPN exclusive partner. The spite will ensure it.

So if they are looking, its Army or the MW.

Boise and AFA are the best odds right now.

I'm going completely the opposite direction on this one.

24 hours ago, I would have believed that the Big 12 would expand with the minimum number of schools possible. Maybe Cincinnati plus BYU.

Today, I think they're going to smack the AAC *HARD*. The AAC tried to present themselves as a threat and, to the extent that it was even credible, the Big 12 is going to strip mine anyone of value from the AAC.

Cincinnati will likely be fine coming out of this here. Houston and UCF will probably be fine, too. Memphis is at least in the green room.

However, any schadenfreude from the bottom half of the AAC is WILDLY misplaced. Up to this point, the Big 12 has been convincing themselves that none of the AAC schools had any value. Now, I think they're going to convince themselves to take any AAC school that would have ANY value.

Nothing is going to happen to ESPN. However, the AAC tried to fire a preemptive strike since they knew that they were at risk of losing schools to the Big 12 and I think it's going to backfire badly. The Big 12 was going to be reluctant on expansion 24 hours ago, but now I think they're COMPLETELY motivated to take any value from the AAC possible.

ESPN for the most part though determines your value as a league. The B12 has pretty much ensured ESPN is not going to offer the B12 anything, and currently unless streaming sites are about to make a massive influx into this market if you take ESPN out of the bidding you've basically just got Fox and Fox will know that. Will the AAC schools having seen very clearly over and over again what happens to you when you cross ESPN want to openly cross ESPN after they went to bat big time for you? I still say probably, but it's no longer 100% for me like it was 2 days ago.

(07-29-2021 11:58 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:56 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:54 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:27 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:20 AM)Claw Wrote:  ESPN might offer them more money to stay in the AAC than they "project" they will end up paying the Big Leftovers. It might end up being a relatively small investment for ESPN to bump the AAC payouts up in order to push the leftovers into the AAC. You get what you pay for ....

Yep, they will throw some more money at them and the Irate 8 will be looking at the MWC for expansion.

Not sure who your dog is in this fight, but they’re going to lose because you’re totally wrong.

We'll see. I have no dog in the fight.

There is NO world where Kansas and Wichita State are in the same conference. C’mon man!

neither play football. i can see it.

(07-29-2021 11:23 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  ESPNs power here being overstated. They are powerful but there are competitors to keep prices up. They don't have nearly the influence here people make out.

Who at this point? NBC never invested in NBC Sports network and has essentially no streaming options and little interest or airtime to offer. CBS has essentially the same thing going on. Fox sold most of their regional networks to ESPN. If ESPN says you are worthless there isn't going to be any kind of bidding war to keep prices up, and their actions very clearly show they don't really value the rest of the B12 much more highly than the AAC to begin with.

(07-29-2021 10:28 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  They aren't going to expand. They just want to play the victim and cry about ESPN not playing fair. They just want to meet and confirm they are staying together. Their game plan is to holding out for the lawsuits GOR and Exit Fee money. Screw the future, they only care about how they have been hurt.

If Bob can get them all in a room, at least we know they are here instead of pimping themselves to other conferences.

No, they won't know that, because even if they're all in the same room (and not meeting by videoconference), this is only a meeting of the athletic directors, not the presidents.

Maybe the ADs can discuss their preferences on which 4 or 6 teams they want to poach from the AAC to retaliate for the AAC's overtures, errrrr, I mean "which available universities have the best combination of academic excellence and commitment to athletics to be compatible with the shared values of Big 12 universities."

Only the presidents can make a commitment to stay all together, and even then the commitment might change a few hours later if somebody gets a phone call from another conference (the former presidents at Fresno State and Nevada say hi).

(07-29-2021 10:07 AM)Thewavefan Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 09:59 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

First step towards expansion invitations being sent out?

Next steps? You mean beg the AAC to take them all. Ha, maybe we should send them to the Sun Belt where they belong.

Your school will be on its knees begging the XII.

(07-29-2021 12:06 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:53 AM)mvcfan76 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:34 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:27 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 11:20 AM)Claw Wrote:  ESPN might offer them more money to stay in the AAC than they "project" they will end up paying the Big Leftovers. It might end up being a relatively small investment for ESPN to bump the AAC payouts up in order to push the leftovers into the AAC. You get what you pay for ....

Yep, they will throw some more money at them and the Irate 8 will be looking at the MWC for expansion.

How would that benefit ESPN? Unless they can get the B12 to fold there's none. They still are paying the B12 plus are now paying the AAC more? That's a shrewd business move indeed.

I think people are having a tough time coming to grips with this. If the big 12 sticks together they pay the buyout regardless. The shenanigans with the aac was to avoid that buyout. ESPN would have to pay each aac school about 6 mil per year more to prevent a jump. That's about 70 mil a year (and that would only match the big 12) and bumping pay for 2 or 3 years wont prevent someone from jumping, realignment is a long term decision not for a short payday. So espn would then pay same fee to big 12 and then piss away 100s of millions of dollars to spite the big 12?(and honestly to make the money enough to prevent defections that pay would approach a billion additional dollars)People need to understand for ESPN it is nothing personal it's just business they arent going to piss away that kinda of money cuz bowlsby has his panties in a wad.

And that wouldnt include the additional payout for being autonomous. (If the B12 went to 12 teams, that would be another 5.5million per year per team.) Plus NCAA tournament credits would be substantially higher in the B12.

Being autonomous has nothing to do with playoff payments for football. Isn't autonomy only used for NCAA legislation? ESPN controls the college football playoff and money paid out based on that. They also control access to the sugar bowl and that media contract.

Those are separate from autonomous legislative voting rights for the NCAA.

So basically Big 12 still pissed off ESPN, which controls their access to future playoff expansion and payouts...

(07-29-2021 10:07 AM)Thewavefan Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 09:59 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

First step towards expansion invitations being sent out?

Next steps? You mean beg the AAC to take them all. Ha, maybe we should send them to the Sun Belt where they belong.

Please do! The SBC would take them with open arms and the AAC would still be the P6.

(07-29-2021 10:19 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 10:11 AM)solohawks Wrote:  It will be fascinating if they can pick of any schools in ESPN's AAC since they have planted themselves pretty firmly in the non ESPN camp of college sports.

That's not happening, especially with the cease and desist.

They won't be getting BYU either another ESPN exclusive partner. The spite will ensure it.

So if they are looking, its Army or the MW.

Boise and AFA are the best odds right now.

An AAC school will accept an invite from the autonomous XII in a nanosecond.

(07-29-2021 10:40 AM)maybeimhere Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 10:38 AM)panama Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 10:07 AM)Thewavefan Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 09:59 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

First step towards expansion invitations being sent out?

Next steps? You mean beg the AAC to take them all. Ha, maybe we should send them to the Sun Belt where they belong.

So...we just gonna ignore that the B12 is still an autonomy confrence no matter what ESPN says?

Cool

Once the merger goes through, the Big American will be the autonomy conference.

There isn’t going to be a merger. Either the AAC gets raided or the Big12 falls apart. There is no merger.

(07-29-2021 12:39 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 10:07 AM)Thewavefan Wrote:  

(07-29-2021 09:59 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

First step towards expansion invitations being sent out?

Next steps? You mean beg the AAC to take them all. Ha, maybe we should send them to the Sun Belt where they belong.

Your school will be on its knees begging the XII.

Lol that’s hilarious. Tulane will be a major player in this round of realignment. We are the total package, academics and markets control the bus. Tulane is a power program and it’s about time we start to act like it.

Hmmmm, just wondering ... If this goes badly (as is the current trend) instead of gentlemanly, is ESPN in dire financial trouble? E.g., are they a separate company, formally, from Disney, and could be forced into bankruptcy?