(07-26-2021 12:10 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I am seeing articles literally everywhere predicting AAC will pick up B12 schools. This is really gaining traction.

https://longhornswire.usatoday.com/lists...-virginia/

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...2-for-sec/

Yeah that's the two-dimensional thinking going on right now. These guys aren't thinking outside of the box like Aresco was doing with Boise and SDSU. These guys are just thinking, "OU and Texas are gone so the Big 12 will die!" It's not going to be that simple. I know you AAC guys want it to be that way I don't blame ya but it's just not gonna be that simple.

What is the buyout to leave the AAC and what will be the buy-in to join the AAC?

What kind of pot of $$ would the AAC be sitting on if a sea change occurs?

(07-26-2021 03:38 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 12:10 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I am seeing articles literally everywhere predicting AAC will pick up B12 schools. This is really gaining traction.

https://longhornswire.usatoday.com/lists...-virginia/

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...2-for-sec/

Yeah that's the two-dimensional thinking going on right now. These guys aren't thinking outside of the box like Aresco was doing with Boise and SDSU. These guys are just thinking, "OU and Texas are gone so the Big 12 will die!" It's not going to be that simple. I know you AAC guys want it to be that way I don't blame ya but it's just not gonna be that simple.

The SEC knows next steps. New government. New World Order. World Domination.

(07-25-2021 12:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 12:32 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 12:01 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  None.

I still doubt this all goes down. Still feels like an internal power and money grab by TX and OK

Nope I think they are gone. The only questions left to answer are:
1. When do they leave?
2. Any left over gets a life raft?
3. How much will be new media rights without OU and UT?
4. Is it worth adding anyone or merging?

One question that hasn’t been asked is, if the leftovers stay together and adding anyone from AAC or elsewhere bring them any more value, then Why not stay at 8 or 9 and wait for the rafts?

they have already made it clear they wont stay at 8....and have already discussed expansions of aac members

1) conference championship games need 10

2) and your wait for rafts is the exact reason the will expand, they dont know who will get rafts .. they stay at 8, rafts come for 3 and the left overs dont even have enough members to qualify for the ncaa, and potentially lacking the leverage to steal aac teams...better to add teams now and star building them up

I agree with this line of thinking. TX/OK are gone. Most likely 2024 or 2025. Until then: “life rafts”…which will also be 2 to 4 seasons of TX & OU having to be in a conference with 2 to 4 current AAC members….which would build up these 2 to 4 members during this 2 to 4 season period, and, make them even more attractive to tv contract negotiations when they start for this future Big12. You! Cannot! Wait! Until! TX/OK leave! You have to have both a plan A and plan B working for the 8 remaining B12. And the votes are 8 to 2 until they leave.

So, just like this post asks…”who does AAC backfil with?”

1). ZERO! MW teams are coming over now. Period. But that CUSA super conference that was talked about might be an “AAC-MW-best CUSA/Belt” if tv network or two - say CBS and/or Fox - see something workable for a per member super-AAC/MW/CUSA/Belt that earns at or a little better than current AAC per member.

So I amend my “ZERO MW” with “ZERO or ALL MW plus some CUSA/Belters” for a 28 member football conference that would be a mini-NFL-like, coast-to-coast, best of the rest conference that hangs around to be annoying ankle biters to the P5…and may even surpass this Great Plains based new Big12 over time.

(07-25-2021 02:26 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  I think AAC should only replace one more than they lose so if they lose 3, add 4... etc.

However many FL teams you lose, I believe AAC would be wise to add that many to replace. FAU has better program right now but FIU is a better program long-term due to the size of the alumni base and being in Miami. Then again FIU does not invest if their program and doubt they will with extra 5M per year so FAU might be best pick. FAU and USF are close so they can grow into an exciting rivalry.

After that, I would go with App State and GA southern and LA. You want as many teams in places where FB is king and have growing states. The census tells us which states are growing and which are shrinking. Marshall is a good program but doubt it grows much. USM is a rearview mirror school/program and peaked 10 years ago.

How is USF close to FAU? Unless of course, you mean that they are only 3 or so hours apart?

(07-26-2021 01:57 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 11:46 AM)E-zone Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 07:00 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 11:15 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 11:09 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  Everyone is on a high just thinking about poaching big 12 leftovers, you cant ask them to think differently to poach G5 teams. give it a few weeks before this thread starts.

Yes, looking more & more like the B-12 will dissolve with no means available for those the 4-6 left behind to collect exit fees or media rights beyond 2025 (which is the likely date of UT/OU beginning SEC competition).

I'm with you on this. The Big XII dissolves and Texas and Oklahoma head to the SEC without leaving a dime with the left behind gang. As someone stated somewhere in one of these threads. if any of the remaining schools have reached out to other conferences for a life raft they've lost their voting rights, so there's that right in the middle of the thing.

It would take 8 Big 12 schools voting to dissolve the Big12, what is the chance of that happening?

• Exit fee are $76 million per
  

• Big12 owns all current members GOR till 2025
  

• All NCAA tournament credits stay will the Big12
  

• TV contract stays in place till 2025 as long as there is 10 Big12 members
  

• Big12 Bowl tie-ins last till 2025
  

• Big12 will still be 1 of 5 conferences with Autonomy
  

So the remaining Big12 schools have leverage over all non-P5 schools for the most part, If they take 3 or 4 of the top of the AAC, why would any MWC schools be interested in joining the AAC? Because it the Big12's media rights will drop with the loss of 2 of their top schools the same would happen for the AAC. It would also make earn the playoff spot a lot easier for the MWC school with a depleted AAC. MWC schools have a lot of history together, an example would be CSU & Wyoming have played 112 football games.

The clock is the enemy of the Big12. UT & OU notification setups that if they remain until that period expires the Big12 gets zilch except more years to work on the issue. How long can members hold out with the future in doubt? Is moving to a conference with so much in limbo and a declining revenue projection worth paying millions in entrance and exit fee's? Not a lot of long term leverage I can see.

Texas and OU will likely be playing the SEC in 2022. According to the Big12 bylaws it looks like Texas and OU have lost their conference voting rights and with todays actions that likely will be enforced now (Big12 had to play nice in trying to get them to stay). I see both Texas and OU just paying (exit fees and money to make the GOR go away) and moving on to the SEC. See both Texas and OU made sure exit fees were paid when Colorado and Nebraska left; also a year later when A&M and Missouri left for for SEC. So I doubt they will not pay what they need to in order to just move on.
They likely will move pretty fast to find at least 2 solid replacement to at least get back to 10. BYU is Independent and not to much of a problem in joining ASAP, if they wanted to (I believe the have out cause with the WCC if they had the chance to join a P5 conference). Will it be easier for say Boise St to get out of the MWC, than say a school from the AAC? Lets say both BYU and Boise St can join the Big12 in 2022 to take the place of Texas and OU. BYU & Boise St are not on the same level, but 2 of the better options that the Big12 will have. This could be enough to keep media rights the same until the end of the contract. It gives them some stability and also allows them time to decide what to do next in case they other schools exit (KU to say the Big10 or West Virginia to the ACC).

(07-25-2021 11:30 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  Ya'll gonna do Stay Cool like that? Damn.

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(07-25-2021 11:26 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 11:22 AM)mustangxc Wrote:  The first two east options for backfill should be Louisiana Tech and Marshall, then App State.

LA Tech is in a super small town and a pain for team travel. Same with Marshall.

Louisiana Tech is just outside of Monroe and Huntington WV has an Airport. Strike one !!!