(07-22-2021 08:25 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  There are some rumors on Twitter that The Big Ten is talking to some PAC schools trying to make its own splash. A Minnesota fan… I’m not sure if this guy is connected or full of crap.

Mostly full of...

ASU ,Arizona, Utah, Colorado, ISU, Kansas, TexT, OSU, Houston.
Hawaii 9th school on Pacific side.
Fox loses 40 games, ESPN loses 20 games n short on night games.
CBS is not done with CFB. NBC certainly could find games to complement ND games

(07-22-2021 11:11 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  ASU ,Arizona, Utah, Colorado, ISU, Kansas, TexT, OSU, Houston.
Hawaii 9th school on Pacific side.
Fox loses 40 games, ESPN loses 20 games n short on night games.
CBS is not done with CFB. NBC certainly could find games to complement ND games

What has this man been drinking? I want some

Add schools that Texas and OU are leaving behind?

Sounds like a great plan.

Maybe if the B1G takes Kansas, I could see the Pac taking OSU and Texas Tech. If not then the B12 plucks Cincy, UCF, Houston, BYU or USF

(07-22-2021 09:40 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 08:37 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  Would ISU or TTU accept an invite to the PAC contingent on all of their PAC games being on at 11 am? Big win for the PAC if so!

Big win? Those two schools rank #8 and #9 out of 10 Big 12 schools in conference play over the past ten seasons. Who would be watching them at any hour?

Facts.

(07-22-2021 08:09 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I get some schools wont be thrilled with sharing a conference with TCU and Baylor, but Idon't know how you can pass up the chance to get your conference TV networks in Texas markets. Same for the ACC.

Because the revenue question is not whether your conference TV network is in Texas markets, but rather how many people are watching.

The PAC-12 can't elbow their way onto satellite TV in California, with the two biggest following California schools in their conference. They are not going to be able to elbow their way onto many cable systems in Texas while lacking Texas, Texas A&M and (for Oklahoma ex-pats) Oklahoma.

(07-22-2021 08:25 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Houston might be a much better attraction to the PAC 12 than Baylor. Much easier to fly into, and Houston city limits do match cultuarally as a liberal city like the west coast schools.

Kansas might be gone to the Big 10, and if the Big 10 can't get SEC or ACC schools? They can't get Iowa State since it is not a new tv market. Does that make Buffalo a much better attraction to the Big 10 as an academics school in stand point? They could be a doormat in football for a while, but their basketball could start winning right away.

The problems is there is no interests in the other Big 12 schools since PAC 12's biggest prizes of Texas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma gone to the SEC. Houston, SMU, Hawaii, Colorado State, Air Force, Boise State, UNR and San Diego State along with BYU might be their better choices right now.

This idea about the Pac 12 doing anything to match the SEC? Last time I checked, they've been "behind" the SEC, Big 10, and ACC in members for years. When the Big 10 added Maryland and Rutgers, did the Pac 12 panic add anyone? No. Why should they now? University of Houston? What's stopping the Pac 12 from adding Houston now? "Yeah Pac-12, no thanks, we're happy in the AAC". I can see why Baylor, Texas Tech, or TCU might have not wanted to go to the Pac 12 after Texas wanted to stay. There was never anything stopping the Pac 12 from adding Houston. Is Houston the best choice remaining in Texas for the Pac 12 now? Possibly. Academically their USN&WR is probably around Texas Tech level and that's not going to play with Berkeley and Stanford. Baylor and TCU have higher rankings but I find it hard to believe religious universities are going to be accepted either. The Pac 12 might want to enter Texas (as does the Big 10) but the best choices are gone.

What many of us that live in the east sometimes forget is how far Texas is from California. For example Houston to Los Angeles is 500 miles further than Houston to Charlotte. Houston to Boston is 500 miles closer than Houston to Seattle.

When we talk about the PAC targeting teams in Texas, Oklahoma or Kansas it would actually be geographically closer for those teams to join The American or The ACC.

(07-22-2021 09:15 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 08:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 08:09 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I get some schools wont be thrilled with sharing a conference with TCU and Baylor, but Idon't know how you can pass up the chance to get your conference TV networks in Texas markets. Same for the ACC.

IMO that thinking might have worked 10 years ago, when conferences were slavishly chasing "markets" and "cable subscriber fees".

But I think that model is gone. Upshot being, I don't think the PAC or ACC would have any interest in Baylor or TT or TCU.

I'm not sure that model is gone at all. Or else the SEC made a mistake inviting Mizzou and the Big Ten messed up bringing in Rutgers and Maryland.

I think the SEC made a "meh" move in bringing in Missouri. I never thought much of that move. The B1G made a good move in bringing in MD and Rutgers, because it did bring in a lot more revenue from the east, and also helped prevent the ACC from dominating that area.

But, those were "10 years ago" decisions, and my premise is that the thinking has changed since then. Today, it's all about the brand value of a school, and IMO, Baylor/TCU/TT lack brand value for the PAC or anyone else.

That's why they are going to fight hard to block Texas from leaving. They know they very likely don't have a soft landing spot if they do.

Don’t SMU and Houston have an argument to rejoin their brethren? What about their political standing? Why does Baylor and TTech have arguments but the AAC Texas schools don’t? How does that hold up in court or arbitration? Once the GoR expires it’s over.

(07-23-2021 05:54 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  What many of us that live in the east sometimes forget is how far Texas is from California. For example Houston to Los Angeles is 500 miles further than Houston to Charlotte. Houston to Boston is 500 miles closer than Houston to Seattle.

When we talk about the PAC targeting teams in Texas, Oklahoma or Kansas it would actually be geographically closer for those teams to join The American or The ACC.

Well, Texas is so vast it depends on what part of Texas you are talking about. For example, El Paso is closer to San Diego than it is to .... Houston!

But regarding the schools that are usually discussed in realignment, yes, most are closer to the east coast than west coast.

Also, in the same vein, I think north-south conferences get cut a break on distance perceptions moreso than east-west conferences. E.g., CUSA is often called "sprawling" because people think places like West Virginia and North Carolina are far away from west Texas, which they are.

But Miami and BC are about as far apart as Marshall is from UTEP, and yet far fewer call the ACC "sprawling". Ditto for the PAC regarding say Washington to Arizona distance. Psychologically, Americans tend to think of distance more in east-west terms, it seems.

The PAC 12 will do the same thing that the ACC and Big 10 will do—nothing.

None of the remaining Big 12 schools add value to the PAC 12 or the ACC.

The one school that could add value to the Big 10 is ND and they are locked into the ACC GOR.

(07-22-2021 08:26 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 08:25 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Houston might be a much better attraction to the PAC 12 than Baylor. Much easier to fly into, and Houston city limits do match cultuarally as a liberal city like the west coast schools.

Kansas might be gone to the Big 10, and if the Big 10 can't get SEC or ACC schools? They can't get Iowa State since it is not a new tv market. Does that make Buffalo a much better attraction to the Big 10 as an academics school in stand point? They could be a doormat in football for a while, but their basketball could start winning right away.

The problems is there is no interests in the other Big 12 schools since PAC 12's biggest prizes of Texas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma gone to the SEC. Houston, SMU, Hawaii, Colorado State, Air Force, Boise State, UNR and San Diego State along with BYU might be their better choices right now.

Found the Buffalo fan

No he is just an idiot....

(07-22-2021 08:09 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I get some schools wont be thrilled with sharing a conference with TCU and Baylor, but Idon't know how you can pass up the chance to get your conference TV networks in Texas markets. Same for the ACC.

PAC just needs to pick up the phone and they’ll be in Houston with AAU member, ultra-liberal, “Stanford-light” Rice.

(07-23-2021 03:30 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 08:09 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I get some schools wont be thrilled with sharing a conference with TCU and Baylor, but Idon't know how you can pass up the chance to get your conference TV networks in Texas markets. Same for the ACC.

Because the revenue question is not whether your conference TV network is in Texas markets, but rather how many people are watching.

The PAC-12 can't elbow their way onto satellite TV in California, with the two biggest following California schools in their conference. They are not going to be able to elbow their way onto many cable systems in Texas while lacking Texas, Texas A&M and (for Oklahoma ex-pats) Oklahoma.

Between Tech, OSU, and two other Texas schools you could probably swing the network in Texas. Nobody is as big as Texas and A&M and OU combined, but this would be the next best arrangement.

(07-23-2021 07:58 AM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 03:30 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 08:09 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I get some schools wont be thrilled with sharing a conference with TCU and Baylor, but Idon't know how you can pass up the chance to get your conference TV networks in Texas markets. Same for the ACC.

Because the revenue question is not whether your conference TV network is in Texas markets, but rather how many people are watching.

The PAC-12 can't elbow their way onto satellite TV in California, with the two biggest following California schools in their conference. They are not going to be able to elbow their way onto many cable systems in Texas while lacking Texas, Texas A&M and (for Oklahoma ex-pats) Oklahoma.

Between Tech, OSU, and two other Texas schools you could probably swing the network in Texas. Nobody is as big as Texas and A&M and OU combined, but this would be the next best arrangement.

How much do cable networks matter going forward? Everyone and their brother is cutting the cord.

(07-23-2021 02:06 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 09:40 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 08:37 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  Would ISU or TTU accept an invite to the PAC contingent on all of their PAC games being on at 11 am? Big win for the PAC if so!

Big win? Those two schools rank #8 and #9 out of 10 Big 12 schools in conference play over the past ten seasons. Who would be watching them at any hour?

Facts.

It's surprising that K-State is #3 in the Big 12 standings, but yet conferences seem to have the same view of them as they do Oregon State and Washington State.

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(07-23-2021 09:00 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  It's surprising that K-State is #3 in the Big 12 standings, but yet conferences seem to have the same view of them as they do Oregon State and Washington State.

Actually similar. Each of those three are the second most popular college program in their own state, and Kansas, at 2.9 million in population, has by far the fewest people of those three states. Oregon has 4.2 million and Washington has 7.7 million. Snyder did a great job at K-State; Leach (and Price before him) did well at Wazzu; Oregon State was in the Elite 8 in hoops this year and has 3 CWS titles -- but TV value is in audience size for college football telecasts.

Texas tech and Houston add lot of value to the pac 12 to get to 14 and enter the Texas market. The problem is how to divide a pac 14. If the big 10 passes on Kansas, than the pac 12 can scoop them up for team 15. Team 16 can be from 1 of the following:

TCU
UNLV
Colorado state
New Mexico

You could make a good case for any of them