(07-21-2021 09:28 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 09:19 PM)RutgersMike Wrote:  If this happens, I do believe the B1G will make overtures to UVA and UNC first. But my blue sky thought that occurred to me while perusing this thread is what if the B1G approaches USC and UCLA instead?

It’s not even worth thinking about. The next pie in the sky is ND. Once they settle on a path, the needle will not be moved for years if not decades. It’s a culmination of sorts to a P4, whatever that is worth at this point. But OU and UT moving really closes the books on a long, tumultuous chapter akin to how Miami VaTech and BC left us.

Going after ACC schools would be just as much about mudding the waters for ND as it would be about obtaining new markets and pushing into more fertile recruiting regions. ND isn't currently available for the B1G to get but if you chip away at their independence safety net then that may destabilize the ACC enough to prevent them from being a viable home for ND (if they ever felt the need to go all in) and possibly opening the door to the B1G obtaining them later on.

(07-21-2021 09:19 PM)RutgersMike Wrote:  If this happens, I do believe the B1G will make overtures to UVA and UNC first. But my blue sky thought that occurred to me while perusing this thread is what if the B1G approaches USC and UCLA instead?

If this were to happen I would think the B1G would consider an expansion to 20 - add the 4 Cali schools, Oregon, and Washington. Colorado, Utah, and the Arizona schools could also be a possibility, especially if needed to vote to disband the Pac 12 in order for it to happen.

At that point the clock is ticking on the ACC. Virginia, Va Tech, UNC, Duke, Clemson, FSU, Miami, and Ga Tech could find their way into the big 2 conferences.

These two conferences now basically control the NCAA.

Damnit have I been drinking again? There’s no way that happens. Well, maybe. Nah…

(07-21-2021 08:21 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 08:17 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Focus people

Sorry, we are getting closer to football and this place needed a good bickering!

On topic: if this were to happen, is it really good for college football?

I don’t think so. It tips things even more in favor of the SEC. East Coasters and West Coasters’ college football viewership is already declining. If Midwesterners tune out too because the sport is dominated by the South then college football turns into a regional sport.

(07-21-2021 09:48 PM)clpp01 Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 09:28 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 09:19 PM)RutgersMike Wrote:  If this happens, I do believe the B1G will make overtures to UVA and UNC first. But my blue sky thought that occurred to me while perusing this thread is what if the B1G approaches USC and UCLA instead?

It’s not even worth thinking about. The next pie in the sky is ND. Once they settle on a path, the needle will not be moved for years if not decades. It’s a culmination of sorts to a P4, whatever that is worth at this point. But OU and UT moving really closes the books on a long, tumultuous chapter akin to how Miami VaTech and BC left us.

Going after ACC schools would be just as much about mudding the waters for ND as it would be about obtaining new markets and pushing into more fertile recruiting regions. ND isn't currently available for the B1G to get but if you chip away at their independence safety net then that may destabilize the ACC enough to prevent them from being a viable home for ND (if they ever felt the need to go all in) and possibly opening the door to the B1G obtaining them later on.

ND to the PAC 12 before we join the Big 10. Too much water under the bridge.

It will be interesting to see what happens. It’s obvious that the “mid-majors” are on 24 hour watch, because a move of any kind would almost certainly set off a chain reaction of realignment. As for the other power conferences, it’s hard to say what the reaction would be. Even as an FSU fan, I don’t have a good read on what the conference would do expansion-wise. I can say that I’m almost universally certain that UVA and UNC wouldn’t bolt for the BTN. That gets thrown around a lot by people outside the conference, but that would be akin to Ohio State and Michigan leaving Wisconsin and Michigan State and the lot. There’s deep culture and history there institutionally that would be very very difficult to sever. FSU and Clemson are a little less predictable, but even there I sense a general comfortableness (which was not there 10 years ago fwiw).

Expansion-wise, if the ACC did decide to expand, obviously the golden goose would be ND. While I think things may slowly change for them over time, people have looked for them to join a conference for a hundred years now and it hasn’t* happened, so I’m not really banking on that. Other programs that would be worth considering in geographic order would be UCONN, Navy, West Virginia, Cincinnati, and Tulane. I’m not really sure the conference would look at raiding the B12, but in this day and age, who knows.

Finally, as a bookend, I really hope the ACC is at least talking to OU and Texas. It sounds like the SEC is the conference de-jure, but if I were the ACC I’d try all I could to use ND as an example of the conference’s willingness to work with media rights and try to lure at least UT. Unfortunately I don’t think that’ll ultimately happen, but they’d be foolish not to try.

(07-21-2021 08:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 08:46 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 03:17 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  SEC fans—if Sankey pulls this off, congratulations, you just won college football.

It wasn't that long ago he was considered unworthy to fill the shoes of Roy Kramer and Mike Slive. Now, he's upsetting the entire NCAA apple cart with his challenge to their lack of leadership and revolutionizing college football with the possible addition of OU and Texas.

He's channeling his inner T.R.. "Walk softly and carry a big stick!" But let's see it this way. Kramer dreamt it. Under Roy the SEC made a play for 6 schools first: Arkansas, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma (through Texas), Clemson, and FSU. Exchange South Carolina for Clemson and Missouri for FSU and I'd say Roy's vision was pretty sharp.

Slive ended in fighting landed the biggest prize in the 2010-2 realignment in A&M, and got the network. His was excellent management.

Sankey now has his place in SEC history if this is finalized. A massive rights deal and landing 2 of the 3 biggest remaining prizes in college football.

But I don't think any of this is over. The B1G will respond. :lauramac:GOR's may become void if SCOTUS rulings change the nature of the contracts disadvantaging some signees who are forced to withdraw.

I think massive pressure will now mount on the PAC 12 and ACC. Do they partner with the Big 10 out West? Do top academic ACC schools consider bolting for the Big money in the Big 10? If Vandy drops out who does the SEC consider next? Kansas which cements the B12 culture of the new SEC West? FSU as was part of the original plan, or if the B1G goes to 18 does the SEC?

This isn't over. It's just getting started!

This Supreme Court will never, ever grant cert, let alone give a favorable ruling, to a media rights dispute like this.

I could imagine the B1G taking 10 of the PAC 12 to get to 24. You could set up 6 divisions of 4. Play every one in your division and rotate 1 each through the other 5 for an 8 game schedule. My best guess would be Washington State and Oregon State might get left out. or one of those two and Utah.

(07-21-2021 08:55 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I’m referring to now

Ok, sure. But if the CFP contract is signed to $2B and doubles NCAAT revenue as the AP article projects, the “NCAAT revenue dwarfs CFP revenue by multiples” point becomes obsolete. No university president will be using that reasoning as a basis for a long-term decision because it’s likely to hit its expiration date soon.

It's happening. A&M is public posturing. It's BS for the donor base. I bet their President, who is a big research fund raiser is anything but upset to have Texas in another affiliation with her school. Ditto the faculty.

I would be shocked if Texas and OU joined a 16 team SEC. I wouldn’t be shocked if Texas, Texas tech, OU and OK state joined a 18 team SEC

https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/14...82372?s=21

USFFan

(07-21-2021 03:08 PM)johnintx Wrote:  The article is behind a paywall, but Brent Zwerneman is the A&M beat writer for the Houston Chronicle and San Antonio Express-News. He's covered A&M for a long time, going back to Big 12 days. He's pretty plugged in.

Sankey's no comment sounds like he knows what's up. There is no denial.

Sounds like A&M is going to be outvoted on this.

Probably not. Mizzou will vote no as well. These two left to get away from OU/UT and that out of whack conference. Vandy abstained on the Missouri vote, so I would imagine they will here too. That's three right there. I bet there is one more.

(07-21-2021 10:18 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 03:08 PM)johnintx Wrote:  The article is behind a paywall, but Brent Zwerneman is the A&M beat writer for the Houston Chronicle and San Antonio Express-News. He's covered A&M for a long time, going back to Big 12 days. He's pretty plugged in.

Sankey's no comment sounds like he knows what's up. There is no denial.

Sounds like A&M is going to be outvoted on this.

Probably not. Mizzou will vote no as well. These two left to get away from OU/UT and that out of whack conference. Vandy abstained on the Missouri vote, so I would imagine they will here too. That's three right there. I bet there is one more.

Those are show vote no's. They actually do not oppose them, although some hardcore boosters, especially at A&M do. Pete Thamel says 11 yes votes is not a problem, which tells me neither is lobbying, and they probably made it known to the others they have to vote no for their fan base, despite agreeing to add them.

It's happening.

The SEC saw my (SEC, Hold my Beer conf.) where we make our own 10 teamer, and felt it needed to act. W/ Texas and OU in it. lol

(07-21-2021 10:18 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 03:08 PM)johnintx Wrote:  The article is behind a paywall, but Brent Zwerneman is the A&M beat writer for the Houston Chronicle and San Antonio Express-News. He's covered A&M for a long time, going back to Big 12 days. He's pretty plugged in.

Sankey's no comment sounds like he knows what's up. There is no denial.

Sounds like A&M is going to be outvoted on this.

Probably not. Mizzou will vote no as well. These two left to get away from OU/UT and that out of whack conference. Vandy abstained on the Missouri vote, so I would imagine they will here too. That's three right there. I bet there is one more.

So sorry but talks have been ongoing for sometime. You don't get to this point and spend the time and money, likely with attorneys, without the votes. They have them already and by SEC bylaws once a 2/3rd vote is obtained the voice vote must be unanimous and abstaining is permitted at that point.

This leak makes it seem fresh but like with A&M this deal is much farther along than most realize.

I think this could make sense if there was any coordination

Texas, OU and OK state to the SEC
Missouri and KU to the big 10
Texas tech, Houston to the pac 12
WVU to the ACC

Big 12 leftovers AAC merge

(07-21-2021 10:31 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

Exactly as I expected. Both say they will stay 4 years.

Interesting choice for the B12. Do they negotiate a early buyout to boot them early (almost certainly what Texas and OU want) or ride them for four more years as that is higher media value? Pocket book or pitch forks?

I also wonder if the Oklahoma legislature will mandate the Bedlam game into perpetuity (well whatever length of time they can come up with in a bill, maybe 20 years like Colorado did). Beyond that I don't see any political intervention.

(07-21-2021 10:40 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 10:31 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

Exactly as I expected. Both say they will stay 4 years.

Interesting choice for the B12. Do they negotiate a early buyout to boot them early (almost certainly what Texas and OU want) or ride them for four more years as that is higher media value? Pocket book or pitch forks?

I also wonder if the Oklahoma legislature will mandate the Bedlam game into perpetuity (well whatever length of time they can come up with in a bill, maybe 20 years like Colorado did). Beyond that I don't see any political intervention.

4 years is an incredibly long lame duck period

I gotta think cooler heads will prevail and perhaps the time is cut in half so that Texas and OU can leave after Next seasok. It's too late for this season anyways and 2 years early causes a lot less financial turmoil than 4