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yeah, i hope they buy out after 1 or 2
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Texas and OK moving to the SEC right as NIL takes off is not a coincidence.

No one on here is talking about it, but the simple fact is SEC endorsements will bring way more money that Big XII endorsements. There is no way to fight that. So they aren't. They are joining the SEC.
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I don't see this as definitive that UT and OU will stay until 2025 more so that they are on the hook for the media deal until 2025.

If that is January 1st 2025 you are only talking about 3.5 years. They are definitely not moving for 2022 as the date to move for 2022 is 6/30/21 to give a conference a proper year notice.

Maybe the XII bylaws are requiring a full two year notice or something so the move won't happen prior to 2024. Notify by 6/30/22 to join a new conference by 7/1/24.
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(07-21-2021 10:40 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
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Exactly as I expected. Both say they will stay 4 years.

Interesting choice for the B12. Do they negotiate a early buyout to boot them early (almost certainly what Texas and OU want) or ride them for four more years as that is higher media value? Pocket book or pitch forks?

I also wonder if the Oklahoma legislature will mandate the Bedlam game into perpetuity (well whatever length of time they can come up with in a bill, maybe 20 years like Colorado did). Beyond that I don't see any political intervention.

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Exactly as I expected. Both say they will stay 4 years.

Interesting choice for the B12. Do they negotiate a early buyout to boot them early (almost certainly what Texas and OU want) or ride them for four more years as that is higher media value? Pocket book or pitch forks?

I also wonder if the Oklahoma legislature will mandate the Bedlam game into perpetuity (well whatever length of time they can come up with in a bill, maybe 20 years like Colorado did). Beyond that I don't see any political intervention.

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RIP College Football. Great job taking all the other college sports down with you. Greed killed the NCAA. Sianora...
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Exactly as I expected. Both say they will stay 4 years.

Interesting choice for the B12. Do they negotiate a early buyout to boot them early (almost certainly what Texas and OU want) or ride them for four more years as that is higher media value? Pocket book or pitch forks?

I also wonder if the Oklahoma legislature will mandate the Bedlam game into perpetuity (well whatever length of time they can come up with in a bill, maybe 20 years like Colorado did). Beyond that I don't see any political intervention.
I don't think or haven't seen anything to suggest that Oklahoma was wanting to get rid of the Bedlam rivalry. OU's problem was trying to find a new home (if they left the B12) where at least one of Texas or Oklahoma St were with them so they weren't put into a position where they had to choose to keep the Texas game over Bedlam.
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(07-21-2021 03:08 PM)johnintx Wrote:  The article is behind a paywall, but Brent Zwerneman is the A&M beat writer for the Houston Chronicle and San Antonio Express-News. He's covered A&M for a long time, going back to Big 12 days. He's pretty plugged in.

Sankey's no comment sounds like he knows what's up. There is no denial.

Sounds like A&M is going to be outvoted on this.

Don’t believe the two week bit. Could be elements at a&m trying to torpedo the deal. But a&m leadership will generally be in favor. Their goal was to distinguish themselves from Tech, Houston, etc. outside of Texas they found no one knew the difference.
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(07-21-2021 11:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-21-2021 03:08 PM)johnintx Wrote:  The article is behind a paywall, but Brent Zwerneman is the A&M beat writer for the Houston Chronicle and San Antonio Express-News. He's covered A&M for a long time, going back to Big 12 days. He's pretty plugged in.

Sankey's no comment sounds like he knows what's up. There is no denial.

Sounds like A&M is going to be outvoted on this.

Don’t believe the two week bit. Could be elements at a&m trying to torpedo the deal. But a&m leadership will generally be in favor. Their goal was to distinguish themselves from Tech, Houston, etc. outside of Texas they found no one knew the difference.

Well it looks like happy families for all of your schools now! Hook'em in the SEC!
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(07-21-2021 05:42 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(07-21-2021 05:28 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  One could put together of a voting block that would be opposed to UT/OU...

MSST/Ole Miss/LSU/ARK = Not wanting to be in a SEC West without Bama/AUB

UTN/SCAR/UF/UGA/ = Not wanting AUB/BAMA in the SEC East

MIZZOU/A&M = Opposed to UTX

Now the money would definitely be a balm to the above concerns, but I think the Aggies and Tigers would have more friends than anticipated.

It's striking that most of the East don't want Bama in their division and most of the West do.

I get the individual rationales ... that having Bama and Auburn in your division helps sell season tickets, helps attract the extra donations needed to get "good" tickets, helps fill up the stadium on game day, while having Bama and Auburn in your division can make it harder to win the division.

But what an incredible coincidence that it's the schools in the West that are mostly concerned with having exciting games and schools in the East that are mostly concerned with their path to the championship game.

It's almost as if it's the factor that makes them opposed to Oklahoma and Texas joining which is taken as the dominant factor for their school.

I can see One Mississippi, Two Mississippi being two No's, but I am not convinced that Arkansas and LSU will have the same view. And Georgia and Florida might be tired of the locked Third Saturday in October which keeps Bama from visiting their stadiums more often.

(07-21-2021 05:32 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If the Big Ten actually had a chance to add Oklahoma and they didn’t and now this is happening for the SEC, then they’re also dumb as f**k. ...

If they had a chance to take Oklahoma and, say, Kansas ... and it was blocked by That School Up North, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Northwestern, Purdue and Illinois due to academic snobbery, that's dumber than a bag of hammers.

This will be bad for Arkansas, Missouri, The MS schools, VU, South Carolina and maybe even TN, Auburn and A&M.
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(07-21-2021 11:00 PM)clpp01 Wrote:  I don't think or haven't seen anything to suggest that Oklahoma was wanting to get rid of the Bedlam rivalry. OU's problem was trying to find a new home (if they left the B12) where at least one of Texas or Oklahoma St were with them so they weren't put into a position where they had to choose to keep the Texas game over Bedlam.

The SEC is definitely open to non-conference rivalry games. It's the B12 who has been throwing stank at them. OK State will not be happy with this and many will want to cancel much like KU did with the border war and Mizzou. The B12 has 10 schools and plays 9 games, the SEC will almost certainly move to 9 games in order to have enough crossover games ('bama needs to play Ole' Miss, Florida needs to play LSU and so on, but also get around to the others). So it'll be hard to schedule given the need for 7 home games at most schools to balance the budget (meaning a couple G5/FCS every year, only one P5 slot). Iowa State is unusual in playing Iowa every year. It could be even harder if the SEC tilts to 10 games like they did in the covid year, telling the ACC they didn't care about the in-State rivalry games.

Thus I conclude this is something that may well need legislative action to force to happen.
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(07-21-2021 06:07 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  It's kinda impressive to think about how many losers OU and Texas moving creates.

Let's say they went to the SEC. The following teams would never again see the light of day in the reorganized SEC divisions: Miss State, Ole Miss, Arkansas, South Carolina, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Missouri. Let's say you're in the SEC East. You'd need UGAg, Florida, Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee to all be down at the same time. Let's say you're in the SEC West. You'd need Texas, Texas A&M, LSU, and Oklahoma to all be down at the same time. The Big 12 would obviously be thrown into chaos. Every G5 would be in limbo pending the dominoes higher up. The Pac-12 would fall closer to the average G5 than the average P5. The Big 12 wouldn't be much better than that. The ACC would still be an awkward tweener between the SEC and B1G and everybody else. The B1G would be permanently at a cash disadvantage unless it was willing to cast off lesser members and somehow expand with top notch merchandise (ND and little else works). I would also assume the NCAA dies even more rapidly if this happens given that Sankey uses the NCAA as his personal gym speed bag on every presser at this point.

If true, it's a massive short term cash in for the SEC. A disproportionate cash advantage over the rest of the field. Vanderbilt would be able to outhire UNC and Duke for basketball coaches.... and basketball assistants.... and build better facilities.... just by being a loser doormat in football every year. It would be interesting over the medium term to see what top end fanbases end up getting whittled away at and dieing. Simple math says if Texas, OU, TAMU, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, TN, UF, and UGAg are all in the same conference they can't all do well. Some of them are going to be staring at steady diet of 8-4/7-5/6-6 for the rest of their lives. You don't keep filling up 100k stadiums going to the Poulan Weedeater Bowl every year. That's how you downgrade those programs and bleed them out.

I agree. Don’t think this is a good move for colllege football or most of the SEC
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(07-21-2021 11:43 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(07-21-2021 11:00 PM)clpp01 Wrote:  I don't think or haven't seen anything to suggest that Oklahoma was wanting to get rid of the Bedlam rivalry. OU's problem was trying to find a new home (if they left the B12) where at least one of Texas or Oklahoma St were with them so they weren't put into a position where they had to choose to keep the Texas game over Bedlam.

The SEC is definitely open to non-conference rivalry games. It's the B12 who has been throwing stank at them. OK State will not be happy with this and many will want to cancel much like KU did with the border war and Mizzou. The B12 has 10 schools and plays 9 games, the SEC will almost certainly move to 9 games in order to have enough crossover games ('bama needs to play Ole' Miss, Florida needs to play LSU and so on, but also get around to the others). So it'll be hard to schedule given the need for 7 home games at most schools to balance the budget (meaning a couple G5/FCS every year, only one P5 slot). Iowa State is unusual in playing Iowa every year. It could be even harder if the SEC tilts to 10 games like they did in the covid year, telling the ACC they didn't care about the in-State rivalry games.

Thus I conclude this is something that may well need legislative action to force to happen.

Stu the SEC is moving to 11 P games in 2026 9 is likely for conference play.
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Thamel has good OU sources. Look at him as an OU mouthpiece. Knows nothing about Texas though.
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Perhaps Disney wanted this when they refused early renewal for Big 12.
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If ACC can no land ND full time we are so close and ND just experienced a season as an ACC member and made the CFP and ACC title game. The ACC is close to catching the Big 10 but they need the Irish and 16 can come from the Big 12/AAC
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(07-22-2021 12:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  Mcmurphy is the one mainstream sportswriter who really understands this stuff.

Perhaps Disney wanted this when they refused early renewal for Big 12.

Presumably, consultants told UT and OU that the Big 12 wouldn't get a huge increase in TV money even if they take the next deal to the open market. If The Athletic's report is accurate, UT has known this for several months and been shopping around since then:

Quote:An industry source with knowledge of the situation told The Athletic that Texas has been exploring other conference options for some time.
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(07-22-2021 02:24 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(07-22-2021 12:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  Mcmurphy is the one mainstream sportswriter who really understands this stuff.

Perhaps Disney wanted this when they refused early renewal for Big 12.

Presumably, consultants told UT and OU that the Big 12 wouldn't get a huge increase in TV money even if they take the next deal to the open market. If The Athletic's report is accurate, UT has known this for several months and been shopping around since then:

Quote:An industry source with knowledge of the situation told The Athletic that Texas has been exploring other conference options for some time.
The first overtures began in '87 and have been on again off again until well the past year. Texas looking around has been a constant, but a responsible constant. They kept abreast of their value to everyone. So it wasn't just since the early contract rebuff and this process is much closer to the end than the beginning based on formalities and SEC procedure.

While OU and UT will likely complete the process in the not too distant future, I still think there is a lot more to happen elsewhere and it's possible the SEC could react to that.

After this set of moves is finished I think we are done for a long time, but the change this time might be widescale.
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