(07-19-2021 05:58 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Schiff, you guys have no stomach to fight the American commies. I don't favor dividing this nation, I don't care how divided we are now. If we're to fight for secession then let's just fight the forces here and now that are trying to divide us. We are cowering to a very small minority of pasty, skinny armed she-men. I can't believe that just a few decades ago we were storming beaches and fighting real fighting men who were adversaries intent on doing exactly what these "jotos" are trying to accomplish. Don't allow them to win, push back.

You are exactly right Ollie. When I was a young man in school, two boys that couldn’t get along met after school. A good bloody nose later one would ‘give’. Time to fight for what is right. Time to bloody a nose.

(07-20-2021 07:06 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-20-2021 05:42 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 08:30 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 06:45 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 04:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Im fine with it---but they make a good point that geography makes it very difficult. That said---it you did it---and allowed free movement among the former US states---then over time, the blue folks trapped in red states would eventually migrate to blue states and vice versa.

Maybe it’s just me but I don’t think the blue folks would go anywhere. The biggest problem would be the blue folks from places like California and New York trying to move to Red States.

For all their faults most liberals are smart enough to know their touchy-feely BS doesn’t work anywhere.

Look no further than California. Look what 50 solid years of liberal BS has done to a once prosperous state. No….
blue folks would leave blue states in droves.

A California, Washington and Oregon territory would quickly resemble a third world country.

Truth is the Red States would have to secure their borders to keep from being overrun with blue folks.

Actually, it would be just the opposite. Wealthy liberals in urban areas of red states would move to blue states and further drive up the cost of living in already expensive states. They have the means and the mobility.
Quite frankly, the brain drain for red states would be substantial.

Um, no.

Of course they would…
any move by extremists to secede would be a threat to those who politically align with the opposition. Wealthy liberals have the ability to easily move & would. So, too would college educated millennials who are far more accepting of minorities, gays, etc… than their parents. A move to separate from states that are too woke would see an exodus of them, too.

That being said, it’s again ironic that the party who wraps itself in the flag is constantly threatening secession when they aren’t the ones pulling the levers. The country is demographically changing. The base of voters when Reagan was elected was roughly 85% white… now it is around 65%. Doubling down on hysteria, restrictive voting laws & fear of minorities might work in the short term but it’s a loser in the long term.

No. You just wrote another paragraph of leftist talking points, and you can keep repeating them for as long as you like, but it's not going to make them true.

This is a dumb thread, nobody is going anywhere. This is little more than fear porn and tough-guy talking rhetoric.

Civil war is not upon us officially, but I do think that there are going to be some extremists on both sides who have a legitimate arse-whoopin coming their way.


The race bating going on right now is the real wild card however. What still makes little sense to me is that POC only make up 13% of our population, but for some reason that small percentage is trying to take up 80% of the airspace. Even in a perfect world, that is never going to happen. And other than self hating White people (which is actually a small total percentage of the population here as well) nobody is going to get down on their knees and beg for forgiveness (or actually agree to pay reparations) because their great, great, great grandparents may have oppressed POC 200 years ago.

(07-19-2021 04:32 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The thing that really troubles me is that the right-leaning part of the country has no west coast exposure--except Alaska--and therefore would have difficulty confronting China. And Alaska would be disconnected from the rest of the southern, heartland, and mountain states--unless the western provinces of Canada joined forces. But that just might happen. Alberta is already seriously talking about secession over energy policy and taxes. And Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Northwest Territories, and Yukon might very well join in. You actually have some common interests there--basically the natural resources and producing economy states/provinces versus the finance economy states/provinces. If Biden and Trudeau keep pushing policies that oppose production economies, it could happen. I still think Alberta could be the trigger.

On a positive note, there'd be a HUGE buffer between the right leaning part of the country and China.

(07-20-2021 08:08 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  This is a dumb thread, nobody is going anywhere. This is little more than fear porn and tough-guy talking rhetoric.

Civil war is not upon us officially, but I do think that there are going to be some extremists on both sides who have a legitimate arse-whoopin coming their way.


The race bating going on right now is the real wild card however. What still makes little sense to me is that POC only make up 13% of our population, but for some reason that small percentage is trying to take up 80% of the airspace. Even in a perfect world, that is never going to happen. And other than self hating White people (which is actually a small total percentage of the population here as well) nobody is going to get down on their knees and beg for forgiveness (or actually agree to pay reparations) because their great, great, great grandparents may have oppressed POC 200 years ago.

Sorry, but Civil War IS on us now. It's just a cold war at the moment.

(07-20-2021 08:14 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 04:32 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The thing that really troubles me is that the right-leaning part of the country has no west coast exposure--except Alaska--and therefore would have difficulty confronting China. And Alaska would be disconnected from the rest of the southern, heartland, and mountain states--unless the western provinces of Canada joined forces. But that just might happen. Alberta is already seriously talking about secession over energy policy and taxes. And Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Northwest Territories, and Yukon might very well join in. You actually have some common interests there--basically the natural resources and producing economy states/provinces versus the finance economy states/provinces. If Biden and Trudeau keep pushing policies that oppose production economies, it could happen. I still think Alberta could be the trigger.

On a positive note, there'd be a HUGE buffer between the right leaning part of the country and China.

This we don't need west coast exposure. We don't need military bases all over the world. A southern nation would be very safe with Rockies and Dems areas as a buffer. A southern nation would just focus on the Atlantic and trade with Europe, south America, and Africa. No need to go to the Pacific.

(07-20-2021 08:08 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  This is a dumb thread, nobody is going anywhere. This is little more than fear porn and tough-guy talking rhetoric.

Civil war is not upon us officially, but I do think that there are going to be some extremists on both sides who have a legitimate arse-whoopin coming their way.


The race bating going on right now is the real wild card however. What still makes little sense to me is that POC only make up 13% of our population, but for some reason that small percentage is trying to take up 80% of the airspace. Even in a perfect world, that is never going to happen. And other than self hating White people (which is actually a small total percentage of the population here as well) nobody is going to get down on their knees and beg for forgiveness (or actually agree to pay reparations) because their great, great, great grandparents may have oppressed POC 200 years ago.

You reveal a lot about your thinking with this sentence. POC make up about 39% of the country.

(07-20-2021 08:18 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(07-20-2021 08:14 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 04:32 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The thing that really troubles me is that the right-leaning part of the country has no west coast exposure--except Alaska--and therefore would have difficulty confronting China. And Alaska would be disconnected from the rest of the southern, heartland, and mountain states--unless the western provinces of Canada joined forces. But that just might happen. Alberta is already seriously talking about secession over energy policy and taxes. And Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Northwest Territories, and Yukon might very well join in. You actually have some common interests there--basically the natural resources and producing economy states/provinces versus the finance economy states/provinces. If Biden and Trudeau keep pushing policies that oppose production economies, it could happen. I still think Alberta could be the trigger.

On a positive note, there'd be a HUGE buffer between the right leaning part of the country and China.

This we don't need west coast exposure. We don't need military bases all over the world. A southern nation would be very safe with Rockies and Dems areas as a buffer. A southern nation would just focus on the Atlantic and trade with Europe, south America, and Africa. No need to go to the Pacific.

I don't know that I would count on Dem areas for buffers. One of the reasons I don't think splitting up would work is that it would no time until the Dem area was taken over most likely by the Chinese.

(07-20-2021 08:20 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(07-20-2021 08:08 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  This is a dumb thread, nobody is going anywhere. This is little more than fear porn and tough-guy talking rhetoric.

Civil war is not upon us officially, but I do think that there are going to be some extremists on both sides who have a legitimate arse-whoopin coming their way.


The race bating going on right now is the real wild card however. What still makes little sense to me is that POC only make up 13% of our population, but for some reason that small percentage is trying to take up 80% of the airspace. Even in a perfect world, that is never going to happen. And other than self hating White people (which is actually a small total percentage of the population here as well) nobody is going to get down on their knees and beg for forgiveness (or actually agree to pay reparations) because their great, great, great grandparents may have oppressed POC 200 years ago.

You reveal a lot about your thinking with this sentence. POC make up about 39% of the country.

No matter what language obscuring word-salad the Demos use to try to divide us with, Hispanics aren't People of "Color".

(07-19-2021 08:30 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Actually, it would be just the opposite. Wealthy liberals in urban areas of red states would move to blue states and further drive up the cost of living in already expensive states. They have the means and the mobility.
Quite frankly, the brain drain for red states would be substantial.

Again, Marc assumes... "Red flyover people iz dumb!".


As for this:

Quote:Manhattan real estate is at all time highs… Silicon Valley is seeing property selling at 20% over asking price. The wealthiest areas of Cali & NYC are booming.

EVERYWHERE prices are skyrocketing right now for land, whether it's in a blue location or a red location.

(07-19-2021 08:30 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Actually, it would be just the opposite. Wealthy liberals in urban areas of red states would move to blue states and further drive up the cost of living in already expensive states. They have the means and the mobility.
Quite frankly, the brain drain for red states would be substantial.

So we're finally admitting that the Demos are the party of the ultra-rich elites, and that the "Party of the Common Man" **** is just that?

(07-20-2021 08:26 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(07-20-2021 08:18 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(07-20-2021 08:14 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 04:32 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The thing that really troubles me is that the right-leaning part of the country has no west coast exposure--except Alaska--and therefore would have difficulty confronting China. And Alaska would be disconnected from the rest of the southern, heartland, and mountain states--unless the western provinces of Canada joined forces. But that just might happen. Alberta is already seriously talking about secession over energy policy and taxes. And Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Northwest Territories, and Yukon might very well join in. You actually have some common interests there--basically the natural resources and producing economy states/provinces versus the finance economy states/provinces. If Biden and Trudeau keep pushing policies that oppose production economies, it could happen. I still think Alberta could be the trigger.

On a positive note, there'd be a HUGE buffer between the right leaning part of the country and China.

This we don't need west coast exposure. We don't need military bases all over the world. A southern nation would be very safe with Rockies and Dems areas as a buffer. A southern nation would just focus on the Atlantic and trade with Europe, south America, and Africa. No need to go to the Pacific.

I don't know that I would count on Dem areas for buffers. One of the reasons I don't think splitting up would work is that it would no time until the Dem area was taken over most likely by the Chinese.

California’s population is 95% within 20 miles of the coastline. The interior food producing acreage would be all in with the flyover country. Let them starve.
This is what these idiots don’t understand. Their soy products don’t just materialize from the local replicator.
They hate the people that feed them.

(07-19-2021 08:30 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 06:45 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 04:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Im fine with it---but they make a good point that geography makes it very difficult. That said---it you did it---and allowed free movement among the former US states---then over time, the blue folks trapped in red states would eventually migrate to blue states and vice versa.

Maybe it’s just me but I don’t think the blue folks would go anywhere. The biggest problem would be the blue folks from places like California and New York trying to move to Red States.

For all their faults most liberals are smart enough to know their touchy-feely BS doesn’t work anywhere.

Look no further than California. Look what 50 solid years of liberal BS has done to a once prosperous state. No….
blue folks would leave blue states in droves.

A California, Washington and Oregon territory would quickly resemble a third world country.

Truth is the Red States would have to secure their borders to keep from being overrun with blue folks.

Actually, it would be just the opposite. Wealthy liberals in urban areas of red states would move to blue states and further drive up the cost of living in already expensive states. They have the means and the mobility.
Quite frankly, the brain drain for red states would be substantial.

Yep, big money companies are leaving blue states like California by the droves. So, I’m sure they would want to come back and spend every last nickel they had to support an over reaching big government and fund every leftist crazed agenda. Keep smoking the crack pipe it helps make your posts more entertaining.

(07-20-2021 07:13 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-20-2021 06:52 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 06:16 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 04:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Im fine with it---but they make a good point that geography makes it very difficult. That said---it you did it---and allowed free movement among the former US states---then over time, the blue folks trapped in red states would eventually migrate to blue states and vice versa.

That would be so marvelous to have all the Democrats move out of TN!

Memphis and Nashville would be ghost towns.

Democrats with means would leave… those without wouldn’t.

Means = Wealth = Intelligence in your view. Given the demographics of Memphis and Nashville, I dare say your comment is dangerously close to being racist.

(07-19-2021 05:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  I voted multiple times to help achieve that 66%…

Hey Stink, Florida's pretty full, but should America split up you're more than welcome to join us down here. After all, according to Marc Menstrual, all the wealth and intelligence comes from Dems who are fleeing from evil, red states like FL to New York, so we'll have plenty of room for you quite soon. Of course, we'll all have an IQ of a potato and we'll be destitute according to his genius wisdom, but you're still invited.

(07-20-2021 10:17 AM)No2rdame Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 05:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  I voted multiple times to help achieve that 66%…

Hey Stink, Florida's pretty full, but should America split up you're more than welcome to join us down here. After all, according to Marc Menstrual, all the wealth and intelligence comes from Dems who are fleeing from evil, red states like FL to New York, so we'll have plenty of room for you quite soon. Of course, we'll all have an IQ of a potato and we'll be destitute according to his genius wisdom, but you're still invited.

grazie!, sir!

I easily offer the same to the inherited gem I call “the ‘burg in the ‘sip.”

nuts zongo’s final goal is fishin’, golfin’, smokin’, and drankin’ in #costa, bubby…you guys are a close second…

THAT’S MUH ESCAPE PARTY

(07-20-2021 09:38 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 08:30 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Actually, it would be just the opposite. Wealthy liberals in urban areas of red states would move to blue states and further drive up the cost of living in already expensive states. They have the means and the mobility.
Quite frankly, the brain drain for red states would be substantial.

So we're finally admitting that the Demos are the party of the ultra-rich elites, and that the "Party of the Common Man" **** is just that?

He's also spreading dangerous conspiracy theories like the Great Replacement being real. Gasp!

(07-20-2021 08:20 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(07-20-2021 08:08 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  This is a dumb thread, nobody is going anywhere. This is little more than fear porn and tough-guy talking rhetoric.

Civil war is not upon us officially, but I do think that there are going to be some extremists on both sides who have a legitimate arse-whoopin coming their way.


The race bating going on right now is the real wild card however. What still makes little sense to me is that POC only make up 13% of our population, but for some reason that small percentage is trying to take up 80% of the airspace. Even in a perfect world, that is never going to happen. And other than self hating White people (which is actually a small total percentage of the population here as well) nobody is going to get down on their knees and beg for forgiveness (or actually agree to pay reparations) because their great, great, great grandparents may have oppressed POC 200 years ago.

You reveal a lot about your thinking with this sentence. POC make up about 39% of the country.

As of 2019, here is the current distribution of the U.S. population by race and ethnicity:
White: 60.1% (Non-Hispanic)
Hispanic: 18.5%
Black: 12.2%
Asian: 5.6%
Multiple Races: 2.8%
American Indian/Alaska Native: 0.7%
Native Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander: 0.2%

Dec 28, 2020

Here are the stats Zippy: By BLM's own definition, Hispanics do not count as POC

(07-20-2021 10:03 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 08:30 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 06:45 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 04:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Im fine with it---but they make a good point that geography makes it very difficult. That said---it you did it---and allowed free movement among the former US states---then over time, the blue folks trapped in red states would eventually migrate to blue states and vice versa.

Maybe it’s just me but I don’t think the blue folks would go anywhere. The biggest problem would be the blue folks from places like California and New York trying to move to Red States.

For all their faults most liberals are smart enough to know their touchy-feely BS doesn’t work anywhere.

Look no further than California. Look what 50 solid years of liberal BS has done to a once prosperous state. No….
blue folks would leave blue states in droves.

A California, Washington and Oregon territory would quickly resemble a third world country.

Truth is the Red States would have to secure their borders to keep from being overrun with blue folks.

Actually, it would be just the opposite. Wealthy liberals in urban areas of red states would move to blue states and further drive up the cost of living in already expensive states. They have the means and the mobility.
Quite frankly, the brain drain for red states would be substantial.

Yep, big money companies are leaving blue states like California by the droves. So, I’m sure they would want to come back and spend every last nickel they had to support an over reaching big government and fund every leftist crazed agenda. Keep smoking the crack pipe it helps make your posts more entertaining.

In the marxist way the government will just nationalize all industry.

(07-20-2021 09:38 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 08:30 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Actually, it would be just the opposite. Wealthy liberals in urban areas of red states would move to blue states and further drive up the cost of living in already expensive states. They have the means and the mobility.
Quite frankly, the brain drain for red states would be substantial.

So we're finally admitting that the Demos are the party of the ultra-rich elites, and that the "Party of the Common Man" **** is just that?

Yet if there was this exodus of people leaving California & no one coming in to replace them, then values would be trending downward… particularly in Uber the expensive area like Silicon Valley… since those folks are supposedly packing up & leaving.