Quote:A group of panelists on the Friday episode of Fox News’ “Gutfeld!” debated the merits of breaking up the United States into smaller regions after a recent poll indicated many Americans would support such a measure.
The panel was discussing a YouGov/BrightLineWatch poll released last week that showed two in three Republicans and half of independents in the South want to secede from the Union. According to the same poll, 47% of Democrats in Pacific coastal states, including Hawaii and Alaska, would be open to breaking off.
“You know, I’m probably going to get myself in trouble for this, but would it be the worst thing?” asked Fox News contributor Lisa Boothe regarding secession. “I don’t know, I’m sick and tired of people who hate this country, I’m sick and tired of [those] who say the flag is some sort of sign of evilness or oppression, who despise the country we live in. I’m tired of the government now, you know, people like Biden want to weaponize the government against people who supported Trump.”
“So I don’t know, would it be the worst thing?” Boothe reiterated, adding that she would want any national divorce to be peaceful.
I would take a little different view than Lisa on this because, you know, we did try this once and it didn’t end well,” said Bahsen Group founder David Bahnsen. “This is what I would say. It is not one of the enumerated powers in the Constitution that — those of us on the Right care about the Bill of Rights — the states are in, they joined, and I have a bigger problem with the states that act like they already have seceded, that don’t care about flyover country, don’t care about rural America[.]”
Bahsen went on to explain that any modern-day secession would be very complicated because the divide does not fall along state lines as it did during the Civil War. “Secession doesn’t work because we don’t have a country divided red-state and blue-state. We have blue cities, so even within the states you would have to have mini-secessions.”
Gutfeld went on to jokingly suggest that rural Americans could wall up the cities.
WATCH:
BrightLaneWatch, which conducted a similar survey right after the Capitol riot on January 6, anticipated political tempers would have “cooled” with the removal of former President Donald Trump. “Yet rather than support for secession diminishing over the past six months, as we expected, it rose in every region and among nearly every partisan group,” they wrote.
The poll comes as President Joe Biden and others increasingly invoke the Civil War to describe GOP voting laws and the Capitol riot. During a Wednesday appearance on “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” author Mark Steyn discerned the Left is using such heated rhetoric to demonize their political opponents in an attempt to position themselves more likely to win a “cold civil war.”
Im fine with it---but they make a good point that geography makes it very difficult. That said---it you did it---and allowed free movement among the former US states---then over time, the blue folks trapped in red states would eventually migrate to blue states and vice versa.
The thing that really troubles me is that the right-leaning part of the country has no west coast exposure--except Alaska--and therefore would have difficulty confronting China. And Alaska would be disconnected from the rest of the southern, heartland, and mountain states--unless the western provinces of Canada joined forces. But that just might happen. Alberta is already seriously talking about secession over energy policy and taxes. And Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Northwest Territories, and Yukon might very well join in. You actually have some common interests there--basically the natural resources and producing economy states/provinces versus the finance economy states/provinces. If Biden and Trudeau keep pushing policies that oppose production economies, it could happen. I still think Alberta could be the trigger.
I have believed for a long time that there comes a point when a nation becomes too large — from either the standpoint of population or of land-mass — to function effectively as a republic/democracy. Precisely identifying that point is, of course, somewhere between difficult and impossible. But one way or the other, I do think America has passed that point.
So, we are left with two essential options: maintain national unity at the cost of republican/democratic governance, or vice versa. It is obvious to me which path America will choose. We can lie to ourselves for generations about political abstractions like “democracy” or “federalism” or “separation of powers”. But if the East Coast and the West Coast are in different countries, nobody can talk their way around that.
(07-19-2021 05:11 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ]I have believed for a long time that there comes a point when a nation becomes too large — from either the standpoint of population or of land-mass — to function effectively as a republic/democracy. Precisely identifying that point is, of course, somewhere between difficult and impossible. But one way or the other, I do think America has passed that point.
So, we are left with two essential options: maintain national unity at the cost of republican/democratic governance, or vice versa. It is obvious to me which path America will choose. We can lie to ourselves for generations about political abstractions like “democracy” or “federalism” or “separation of powers”. But if the East Coast and the West Coast are in different countries, nobody can talk their way around that.
The west coast and it's CRT, defund police, and Antifa friendly polices are so far removed from the rest of the US except for a very few large cities it simply no longer fits into the US if we are to keep our constitution.
Unfortunately, I support this move. I am a moderate by every measurement, but the Left has gone so far out that I find myself scared where we are going. I am a former (lifelong) Democrat who left the party after 2016 and still have no political home. But I know I do not want to go where the Democratic base wants to take us. And they are the future of the party, that is scary. Therefore, I believe a peaceful breakup is a logical move.
At minimum, reduce federalism and let the the states rule themselves.
(07-19-2021 04:32 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]The thing that really troubles me is that the right-leaning part of the country has no west coast exposure--except Alaska--and therefore would have difficulty confronting China. And Alaska would be disconnected from the rest of the southern, heartland, and mountain states--unless the western provinces of Canada joined forces. But that just might happen. Alberta is already seriously talking about secession over energy policy and taxes. And Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Northwest Territories, and Yukon might very well join in. You actually have some common interests there--basically the natural resources and producing economy states/provinces versus the finance economy states/provinces. If Biden and Trudeau keep pushing policies that oppose production economies, it could happen. I still think Alberta could be the trigger.
Claim San Diego and grab ports in southern Oregon and Northern California.
As pointed out in the article, we no longer have a divided line between states as in 1860. We have predominantly blue cities that are heavily-weighted ultra liberal that that wield control over most of the blue states while the rest of the states is considered conservative to moderate. Beside that I’m not so sure that ballot harvesting (CA) and cheating isn’t skewing how much true support ultra-libs have over some blue states. You add the psych-ops and pumping from the media and academia that makes it appear that everyone is practically liberals and you have a recipe for deceiving a lot of average folks that we are a long way apart from each other. For example, I’ve talked to a lot of blacks that while most vote Democrat as a tradition a nice number of them are not BLM supporters or are ‘woke’.
Schiff, you guys have no stomach to fight the American commies. I don't favor dividing this nation, I don't care how divided we are now. If we're to fight for secession then let's just fight the forces here and now that are trying to divide us. We are cowering to a very small minority of pasty, skinny armed she-men. I can't believe that just a few decades ago we were storming beaches and fighting real fighting men who were adversaries intent on doing exactly what these "jotos" are trying to accomplish. Don't allow them to win, push back.
(07-19-2021 04:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]Im fine with it---but they make a good point that geography makes it very difficult. That said---it you did it---and allowed free movement among the former US states---then over time, the blue folks trapped in red states would eventually migrate to blue states and vice versa.
That would be so marvelous to have all the Democrats move out of TN!
(07-19-2021 04:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]Im fine with it---but they make a good point that geography makes it very difficult. That said---it you did it---and allowed free movement among the former US states---then over time, the blue folks trapped in red states would eventually migrate to blue states and vice versa.
Maybe it’s just me but I don’t think the blue folks would go anywhere. The biggest problem would be the blue folks from places like California and New York trying to move to Red States.
For all their faults most liberals are smart enough to know their touchy-feely BS doesn’t work anywhere.
Look no further than California. Look what 50 solid years of liberal BS has done to a once prosperous state. No….
blue folks would leave blue states in droves.
A California, Washington and Oregon territory would quickly resemble a third world country.
Truth is the Red States would have to secure their borders to keep from being overrun with blue folks.
"Truth is the Red States would have to secure their borders to keep from being overrun with blue folks."
Oh, you mean like we're seeing illegals doing now, that is, trying to "come" to the land of the oppressed (by what we are told by the commies. Only "STUPID" people believe that...i.e. that we are a terrible nation.
(07-19-2021 04:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]Im fine with it---but they make a good point that geography makes it very difficult. That said---it you did it---and allowed free movement among the former US states---then over time, the blue folks trapped in red states would eventually migrate to blue states and vice versa.
Maybe it’s just me but I don’t think the blue folks would go anywhere. The biggest problem would be the blue folks from places like California and New York trying to move to Red States.
For all their faults most liberals are smart enough to know their touchy-feely BS doesn’t work anywhere.
Look no further than California. Look what 50 solid years of liberal BS has done to a once prosperous state. No….
blue folks would leave blue states in droves.
A California, Washington and Oregon territory would quickly resemble a third world country.
Truth is the Red States would have to secure their borders to keep from being overrun with blue folks.
Actually, it would be just the opposite. Wealthy liberals in urban areas of red states would move to blue states and further drive up the cost of living in already expensive states. They have the means and the mobility.
Quite frankly, the brain drain for red states would be substantial.