(07-16-2021 08:34 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 08:25 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 08:07 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 07:56 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 07:43 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I could understand if he were going to move to a school with a veteran coach with a proven track record of developing bigs for the NBA, but his moves seem to be motivated by which coach just had a top 5 pick, and those guys typically would have gone top 5 straight out of HS. Moussa could have benefited tremendously with 3 years of guidance from Larry Brown & Penny. His people should have been begging Penny to keep him on the roster, but instead, he’s moving to OSU to play for an unproven coach whose only accomplishment is offering a package deal to Cade Cunningham & his brother.

Completely agree. He needed someone known for developing players, bonus if it’s someone who could develop bigs. This doesn’t make a lot of sense.

if you watched Moussa play, you saw a kid who was often out of position and had very little feel for the game, yet he was extremely gifted athletically and oftentimes made up for his lack of understanding with his Uber athleticism. The kid needs playing time… lots of playing time… in order to develop a rudimentary understanding of the game. He did not grow up playing & watching basketball. He does not have the benefit of 10 years on the AAU circuit & countless pick up games. Heck, last year was his first of playing ball against players equal in skill & size, so he’s not a 1 & done kind of player. I have no idea who the people are who are guiding this kid, but they can’t be interested in anything more than cashing in as quickly as they can, even if it means sacrificing his development.

Why does this keep getting repeated as fact?

It could possibly be that Penny and Moussa just didn't work...Similar to DJ and Penny.

Penny has said many times since this season ended that he was changing the environment around the program...Some guys may not have been buying in like Penny felt they should.

Someone on Twitter said this will be Moussa's fifth different program in five years. At some point, you can't blame the coach.

when the going gets tough...Moussa gets going...

(07-16-2021 08:34 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 08:25 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 08:07 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 07:56 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 07:43 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I could understand if he were going to move to a school with a veteran coach with a proven track record of developing bigs for the NBA, but his moves seem to be motivated by which coach just had a top 5 pick, and those guys typically would have gone top 5 straight out of HS. Moussa could have benefited tremendously with 3 years of guidance from Larry Brown & Penny. His people should have been begging Penny to keep him on the roster, but instead, he’s moving to OSU to play for an unproven coach whose only accomplishment is offering a package deal to Cade Cunningham & his brother.

Completely agree. He needed someone known for developing players, bonus if it’s someone who could develop bigs. This doesn’t make a lot of sense.

if you watched Moussa play, you saw a kid who was often out of position and had very little feel for the game, yet he was extremely gifted athletically and oftentimes made up for his lack of understanding with his Uber athleticism. The kid needs playing time… lots of playing time… in order to develop a rudimentary understanding of the game. He did not grow up playing & watching basketball. He does not have the benefit of 10 years on the AAU circuit & countless pick up games. Heck, last year was his first of playing ball against players equal in skill & size, so he’s not a 1 & done kind of player. I have no idea who the people are who are guiding this kid, but they can’t be interested in anything more than cashing in as quickly as they can, even if it means sacrificing his development.

Why does this keep getting repeated as fact?

It could possibly be that Penny and Moussa just didn't work...Similar to DJ and Penny.

Penny has said many times since this season ended that he was changing the environment around the program...Some guys may not have been buying in like Penny felt they should.

Someone on Twitter said this will be Moussa's fifth different program in five years. At some point, you can't blame the coach.

There simply is no substitute for hard work & experience. I think Moussa keeps believing the next elixir is going to be the one that cures his lack of experience… I don’t doubt his work ethic.

(07-16-2021 08:34 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 08:25 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 08:07 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 07:56 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 07:43 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I could understand if he were going to move to a school with a veteran coach with a proven track record of developing bigs for the NBA, but his moves seem to be motivated by which coach just had a top 5 pick, and those guys typically would have gone top 5 straight out of HS. Moussa could have benefited tremendously with 3 years of guidance from Larry Brown & Penny. His people should have been begging Penny to keep him on the roster, but instead, he’s moving to OSU to play for an unproven coach whose only accomplishment is offering a package deal to Cade Cunningham & his brother.

Completely agree. He needed someone known for developing players, bonus if it’s someone who could develop bigs. This doesn’t make a lot of sense.

if you watched Moussa play, you saw a kid who was often out of position and had very little feel for the game, yet he was extremely gifted athletically and oftentimes made up for his lack of understanding with his Uber athleticism. The kid needs playing time… lots of playing time… in order to develop a rudimentary understanding of the game. He did not grow up playing & watching basketball. He does not have the benefit of 10 years on the AAU circuit & countless pick up games. Heck, last year was his first of playing ball against players equal in skill & size, so he’s not a 1 & done kind of player. I have no idea who the people are who are guiding this kid, but they can’t be interested in anything more than cashing in as quickly as they can, even if it means sacrificing his development.

Why does this keep getting repeated as fact?

It could possibly be that Penny and Moussa just didn't work...Similar to DJ and Penny.

Penny has said many times since this season ended that he was changing the environment around the program...Some guys may not have been buying in like Penny felt they should.

Someone on Twitter said this will be Moussa's fifth different program in five years. At some point, you can't blame the coach.

Cant really argue with that.

We lost 3 -- 4 or 5 *stars* to transfer----- one of them (maybe 2) had played for penny in the past before college. Some on here seem to imply that Penny wanted them gone-----that is insane ----they were 4 and 5 stars. This is not a good look for Penny IMO. I will be surprised if the transfers we have coming in---are better than the transfers we lost---hope i'm wrong .

Everyone has the right to be wrong

(07-16-2021 10:14 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  We lost 3 -- 4 or 5 *stars* to transfer----- one of them (maybe 2) had played for penny in the past before college. Some on here seem to imply that Penny wanted them gone-----that is insane ----they were 4 and 5 stars. This is not a good look for Penny IMO. I will be surprised if the transfers we have coming in---are better than the transfers we lost---hope i'm wrong .

I think you are right...

I will be difficult to replace what we lost. Going to require Earl to be very good and a couple of freshmen to contribute.

But the guys who left appeared to be disgruntled...Boogie, DJ and Moussa.

Penny hints at changing the environment around the program which makes you think he didn't like how things were in the past. It is all speculation so who knows.

Bottom line is if next years team is not as good as this years team it reflects negatively on Penny...Regardless of the reasons why the players left.

It’s all about handlers and the handlers perception(s).

Moussa probably would benefit from being in the Big 12 rather than the AAC. The AAC likes to play small. In the Big 12 he may get more time with more big men to battle. I haven't heard any negativity from Boogie's camp, but I know Moussa and DJ camp were not pro Penny. DJ hated playing the 4. But if you wanna be real, our struggles early in the year were tied directly to Penny trust in DJ as the best player on our team. Remember all the plays Penny ran for DJ to score during the tournament in South Dakota and verses Auburn and DJ couldn't produce. Maybe DJ wasn't comfortable and their communication was off and that affected DJ's play. I can't see where he can fault Penny for his play.

(07-16-2021 07:43 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 06:40 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(07-15-2021 01:41 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  yet another bad move for Moussa. This guy gets nothing but bad advice.

I wish him the best, but he’s most likely being used by the people around him that are looking for the quick cash.


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I could understand if he were going to move to a school with a veteran coach with a proven track record of developing bigs for the NBA, but his moves seem to be motivated by which coach just had a top 5 pick, and those guys typically would have gone top 5 straight out of HS. Moussa could have benefited tremendously with 3 years of guidance from Larry Brown & Penny. His people should have been begging Penny to keep him on the roster, but instead, he’s moving to OSU to play for an unproven coach whose only accomplishment is offering a package deal to Cade Cunningham & his brother.

Agreed


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(07-16-2021 02:16 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 07:43 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 06:40 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(07-15-2021 01:41 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  yet another bad move for Moussa. This guy gets nothing but bad advice.

I wish him the best, but he’s most likely being used by the people around him that are looking for the quick cash.


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I could understand if he were going to move to a school with a veteran coach with a proven track record of developing bigs for the NBA, but his moves seem to be motivated by which coach just had a top 5 pick, and those guys typically would have gone top 5 straight out of HS. Moussa could have benefited tremendously with 3 years of guidance from Larry Brown & Penny. His people should have been begging Penny to keep him on the roster, but instead, he’s moving to OSU to play for an unproven coach whose only accomplishment is offering a package deal to Cade Cunningham & his brother.

Agreed


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they'll be rolling in the Picken$ dough

(07-16-2021 08:07 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 07:56 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 07:43 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 06:40 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(07-15-2021 01:41 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  yet another bad move for Moussa. This guy gets nothing but bad advice.

I wish him the best, but he’s most likely being used by the people around him that are looking for the quick cash.


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I could understand if he were going to move to a school with a veteran coach with a proven track record of developing bigs for the NBA, but his moves seem to be motivated by which coach just had a top 5 pick, and those guys typically would have gone top 5 straight out of HS. Moussa could have benefited tremendously with 3 years of guidance from Larry Brown & Penny. His people should have been begging Penny to keep him on the roster, but instead, he’s moving to OSU to play for an unproven coach whose only accomplishment is offering a package deal to Cade Cunningham & his brother.

Completely agree. He needed someone known for developing players, bonus if it’s someone who could develop bigs. This doesn’t make a lot of sense.

if you watched Moussa play, you saw a kid who was often out of position and had very little feel for the game, yet he was extremely gifted athletically and oftentimes made up for his lack of understanding with his Uber athleticism. The kid needs playing time… lots of playing time… in order to develop a rudimentary understanding of the game. He did not grow up playing & watching basketball. He does not have the benefit of 10 years on the AAU circuit & countless pick up games. Heck, last year was his first of playing ball against players equal in skill & size, so he’s not a 1 & done kind of player. I have no idea who the people are who are guiding this kid, but they can’t be interested in anything more than cashing in as quickly as they can, even if it means sacrificing his development.

I completely agree with all of this and have said similar things in the past. He hasn’t been playing basketball very long at all. Not college basketball, any basketball. No pickup games, no AAU, no elementary school or middle school. Nothing. And he should have been in HS last year. This was what was so frustrating about the peanut gallery’s constant complaining. Zero perspective.

I get that his mother still lives in Africa and it may be a dream to try to be successful as quickly as possible but he has a lot of development work to do.

As for the “handler” talk, who knows. Maybe someone who went to Lausanne can tell us.

(07-16-2021 04:18 PM)TGTiger Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 08:07 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 07:56 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 07:43 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 06:40 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  I wish him the best, but he’s most likely being used by the people around him that are looking for the quick cash.


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I could understand if he were going to move to a school with a veteran coach with a proven track record of developing bigs for the NBA, but his moves seem to be motivated by which coach just had a top 5 pick, and those guys typically would have gone top 5 straight out of HS. Moussa could have benefited tremendously with 3 years of guidance from Larry Brown & Penny. His people should have been begging Penny to keep him on the roster, but instead, he’s moving to OSU to play for an unproven coach whose only accomplishment is offering a package deal to Cade Cunningham & his brother.

Completely agree. He needed someone known for developing players, bonus if it’s someone who could develop bigs. This doesn’t make a lot of sense.

if you watched Moussa play, you saw a kid who was often out of position and had very little feel for the game, yet he was extremely gifted athletically and oftentimes made up for his lack of understanding with his Uber athleticism. The kid needs playing time… lots of playing time… in order to develop a rudimentary understanding of the game. He did not grow up playing & watching basketball. He does not have the benefit of 10 years on the AAU circuit & countless pick up games. Heck, last year was his first of playing ball against players equal in skill & size, so he’s not a 1 & done kind of player. I have no idea who the people are who are guiding this kid, but they can’t be interested in anything more than cashing in as quickly as they can, even if it means sacrificing his development.

I completely agree with all of this and have said similar things in the past. He hasn’t been playing basketball very long at all. Not college basketball, any basketball. No pickup games, no AAU, no elementary school or middle school. Nothing. And he should have been in HS last year. This was what was so frustrating about the peanut gallery’s constant complaining. Zero perspective.

I get that his mother still lives in Africa and it may be a dream to try to be successful as quickly as possible but he has a lot of development work to do.

As for the “handler” talk, who knows. Maybe someone who went to Lausanne can tell us.

I would bet a friend of the program got him to Lausanne.

(07-16-2021 10:57 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 10:14 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  We lost 3 -- 4 or 5 *stars* to transfer----- one of them (maybe 2) had played for penny in the past before college. Some on here seem to imply that Penny wanted them gone-----that is insane ----they were 4 and 5 stars. This is not a good look for Penny IMO. I will be surprised if the transfers we have coming in---are better than the transfers we lost---hope i'm wrong .

I think you are right...

I will be difficult to replace what we lost. Going to require Earl to be very good and a couple of freshmen to contribute.

But the guys who left appeared to be disgruntled...Boogie, DJ and Moussa.

Penny hints at changing the environment around the program which makes you think he didn't like how things were in the past. It is all speculation so who knows.

Bottom line is if next years team is not as good as this years team it reflects negatively on Penny...Regardless of the reasons why the players left.

I agree

(07-16-2021 04:43 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 04:18 PM)TGTiger Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 08:07 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 07:56 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 07:43 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I could understand if he were going to move to a school with a veteran coach with a proven track record of developing bigs for the NBA, but his moves seem to be motivated by which coach just had a top 5 pick, and those guys typically would have gone top 5 straight out of HS. Moussa could have benefited tremendously with 3 years of guidance from Larry Brown & Penny. His people should have been begging Penny to keep him on the roster, but instead, he’s moving to OSU to play for an unproven coach whose only accomplishment is offering a package deal to Cade Cunningham & his brother.

Completely agree. He needed someone known for developing players, bonus if it’s someone who could develop bigs. This doesn’t make a lot of sense.

if you watched Moussa play, you saw a kid who was often out of position and had very little feel for the game, yet he was extremely gifted athletically and oftentimes made up for his lack of understanding with his Uber athleticism. The kid needs playing time… lots of playing time… in order to develop a rudimentary understanding of the game. He did not grow up playing & watching basketball. He does not have the benefit of 10 years on the AAU circuit & countless pick up games. Heck, last year was his first of playing ball against players equal in skill & size, so he’s not a 1 & done kind of player. I have no idea who the people are who are guiding this kid, but they can’t be interested in anything more than cashing in as quickly as they can, even if it means sacrificing his development.

I completely agree with all of this and have said similar things in the past. He hasn’t been playing basketball very long at all. Not college basketball, any basketball. No pickup games, no AAU, no elementary school or middle school. Nothing. And he should have been in HS last year. This was what was so frustrating about the peanut gallery’s constant complaining. Zero perspective.

I get that his mother still lives in Africa and it may be a dream to try to be successful as quickly as possible but he has a lot of development work to do.

As for the “handler” talk, who knows. Maybe someone who went to Lausanne can tell us.

I would bet a friend of the program got him to Lausanne.

"friend of the program" ?

That would be Happy Kuykendahl...

He's clean, his money has been scrubbed and laundered

A lot of people on this board and on Twitter have been pretty harsh with their comments about Moussa. We had one of the top defenses in the country last season, and I think he had a LOT to do with that. His size and athleticism made him a force as a rim protector.

He's definitely a project with a long way to go if he wants to advance to the next level. He was out of position a lot and he has bad hands. But he can and likely will improve if he puts in the work. I wish we could have kept him. I strongly disagree with those saying he's going to ride the bench at Oklahoma State. He'll get PT.

(07-16-2021 08:06 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  A lot of people on this board and on Twitter have been pretty harsh with their comments about Moussa. We had one of the top defenses in the country last season, and I think he had a LOT to do with that. His size and athleticism made him a force as a rim protector.

He's definitely a project with a long way to go if he wants to advance to the next level. He was out of position a lot and he has bad hands. But he can and likely will improve if he puts in the work. I wish we could have kept him. I strongly disagree with those saying he's going to ride the bench at Oklahoma State. He'll get PT.

YEP

(07-16-2021 08:06 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  A lot of people on this board and on Twitter have been pretty harsh with their comments about Moussa. We had one of the top defenses in the country last season, and I think he had a LOT to do with that. His size and athleticism made him a force as a rim protector.

He's definitely a project with a long way to go if he wants to advance to the next level. He was out of position a lot and he has bad hands. But he can and likely will improve if he puts in the work. I wish we could have kept him. I strongly disagree with those saying he's going to ride the bench at Oklahoma State. He'll get PT.

I think if he improves a little...He will start.

He is going to improve a lot.

(07-16-2021 08:03 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 04:43 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 04:18 PM)TGTiger Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 08:07 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(07-16-2021 07:56 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  Completely agree. He needed someone known for developing players, bonus if it’s someone who could develop bigs. This doesn’t make a lot of sense.

if you watched Moussa play, you saw a kid who was often out of position and had very little feel for the game, yet he was extremely gifted athletically and oftentimes made up for his lack of understanding with his Uber athleticism. The kid needs playing time… lots of playing time… in order to develop a rudimentary understanding of the game. He did not grow up playing & watching basketball. He does not have the benefit of 10 years on the AAU circuit & countless pick up games. Heck, last year was his first of playing ball against players equal in skill & size, so he’s not a 1 & done kind of player. I have no idea who the people are who are guiding this kid, but they can’t be interested in anything more than cashing in as quickly as they can, even if it means sacrificing his development.

I completely agree with all of this and have said similar things in the past. He hasn’t been playing basketball very long at all. Not college basketball, any basketball. No pickup games, no AAU, no elementary school or middle school. Nothing. And he should have been in HS last year. This was what was so frustrating about the peanut gallery’s constant complaining. Zero perspective.

I get that his mother still lives in Africa and it may be a dream to try to be successful as quickly as possible but he has a lot of development work to do.

As for the “handler” talk, who knows. Maybe someone who went to Lausanne can tell us.

I would bet a friend of the program got him to Lausanne.

"friend of the program" ?

That would be Happy Kuykendahl...

He's clean, his money has been scrubbed and laundered

Nuclear surfboard express.

(07-16-2021 08:06 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  A lot of people on this board and on Twitter have been pretty harsh with their comments about Moussa. We had one of the top defenses in the country last season, and I think he had a LOT to do with that. His size and athleticism made him a force as a rim protector.

He's definitely a project with a long way to go if he wants to advance to the next level. He was out of position a lot and he has bad hands. But he can and likely will improve if he puts in the work. I wish we could have kept him. I strongly disagree with those saying he's going to ride the bench at Oklahoma State. He'll get PT.

He was a huge part of our defense. I don’t think people are saying he’s going to ride the bench. If he stayed, the groundwork that was started with our staff on his development, would have continued. Now, he’s starting over again. Not to mention, our staff has way more NBA caliber coaches, then OSU.


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