(03-20-2023 02:22 PM)shere khan Wrote:  "As reported by the Washington Examiner, Secretary of the Navy Carlos Del Toro has said, multiple times, that fighting climate change has been one of his biggest priorities since taking office. During a recent trip to the Bahamas to meet with Bahamian Prime Minister Philip Davis, the two men talked at length about… wait for it… climate change, and what the United States is doing to fight it."


WTF?

Is this for real?

Let's look at the clouds and talk about the weather, and let us avert our eyes and attention away from the mountains of garbage the Chicoms dump into the oceans annually, and the industrial waste which has turned their rivers into steaming vats of carcinogenic waste to spill into the same oceans. And then let us assume that only the United States has a carbon footprint and that it solely is the cause of the world's woes on garbage in the oceans, pollutants in the air. Hell, it's a mystery that most of the potable fresh water supplies are in such a God awful polluted by mindless middle class workers place to live as the U.S.A.

We will demand that Pepsi and Coke supply China with billions of plastic disposable bottles of clean water so we can throw the bottles into the ocean also!

And most importantly, the United States Navy needs to divert all of its attention to this while China builds artificial islands, sets its sites on Taiwan, and threatens Japan.

If you proposed this script as a Broadway Play they would laugh you off the stage on opening night! And that's in a city full of woke idiots and corporate elites!

One of these is not like the other, but we don't want them thinking they can really get this swole on us either. Please note their new aircraft carrier should be listed as a CV, not a CVN as it is not nuclear.

(03-20-2023 02:22 PM)shere khan Wrote:  "As reported by the Washington Examiner, Secretary of the Navy Carlos Del Toro has said, multiple times, that fighting climate change has been one of his biggest priorities since taking office. During a recent trip to the Bahamas to meet with Bahamian Prime Minister Philip Davis, the two men talked at length about… wait for it… climate change, and what the United States is doing to fight it."
WTF?
Is this for real?

Hell yes, unfortunately.

You take two militaries. One is focused on building a stronger war-fighting organization. The other is focused on climate change and pronouns. Guess who wins out in the end?

I thought this was interesting. The mainstream press apparently has suddenly realized the main purpose of the Navy to keep the US and its trade routes safe----and now they realize we might not be ready. A Sixty Minutes segment discussing the ability and readiness of the US Navy to handle the China threat. Strangely, on a progressive lefty mainstream news program about the US Navy, "Climate change" and "equity" never came up. Some of the questions asked sound more like they were ripped from a Owl 69/70/75 post rather than being formulated by a mainstream news reporter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEc5hsWNsCQ

(06-21-2022 10:06 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

"A pronoun is a signal of acceptance and respect."

OK, so I don't accept you and I don't respect you.

Here is the problem. Trans people keep saying they just want to be left alone. But no part of the pronoun debate is about being left alone. It is all about imposing your preferences on others. If you want me to accept and respect you, then you need to start by accepting and respecting me. And I think your silly pronoun crap is total BS.

There are three singular third person pronouns in the English language--he, she, and it. Which are you?

(03-20-2023 04:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 10:06 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

"A pronoun is a signal of acceptance and respect."

OK, so I don't accept you and I don't respect you.

Here is the problem. Trans people keep saying they just want to be left alone. But no part of the pronoun debate is about being left alone. It is all about imposing your preferences on others. If you want me to accept and respect you, then you need to start by accepting and respecting me. And I think your silly pronoun crap is total BS.

There are three singular third person pronouns in the English language--he, she, and it. Which are you?

I dont have to accept or respect and im rapidly losing tolerance.

Maybe they need to accept and respect that i think they are frickin lunatics

Update: US Military is FUBAR

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(03-20-2023 03:17 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  One of these is not like the other, but we don't want them thinking they can really get this swole on us either.

USN plans to increase size to 355 ships in 30 years, 55 legacy ships plus building 300 top-of-the-line multi-purpose ships at an average cost of $2.8B/ship, or $840B, or $28B/year (all costs in here based upon CBO estimates in 2022 dollars).

I would adopt the high/low approach that ADM Zumwalt used to keep USN numbers from cratering after Vietnam, building a mix of top-line multi-purpose ships and cheaper single-purpose ships. That approach would lower average ship cost to $1.5B/ship, allowing construction of 550 new ships plus 50 legacy ships for $825B, or $27.5B/year over 30 years or more like the current level of $21B/year if spread out over 40 years. The fleet I would build looks like:

• 12 CVNs, 100,000T, updated Nimitz rather than Fords, which are basically worthless (everything works fine except catapults, arresting gear, weapons lifts, and toilets)
  12 CVs, 75,000T, something between Midway and Kitty Hawk (in the interim convert 12 LHAs/LHDs to Lightning Carrier concept)
  8 battleships, based on 1980d battlecarrier concept, with 2x3 16" guns, 10 STOVL aircraft, 10 helos, 320 missile cells (128 convertible to 32 long-range hypersonic or ballistic missiles)
  8 ASW helo carriers, like Japanese Hyuga/Izumo
  20 cruisers, based on WWII flight deck cruiser concept, with 2x2 or 2x3 8" guns, 192 missile cells (64 convertible to 16 long-range hypersonic or ballistic missiles), and flight deck for launching/recovering helos/UAVs with hangar underneath that can launch/recover USV/UUV over the side
  40 AAW destroyers, could be Burkes for now
  60 GP ASuW/ASW escorts, based on FREMM or other European concepts, but not the USN's Constellation abortion to get more Aegis platforms in the fleet
  80 ASW single-purpose frigates
  12 ABM/BMD ships, converted LPD-17s per HII proposal
  Total blue water fleet = 252 ships
  12 SSBNs, Columbia class
  20 SSGNs, based on Ohio Class, 154 cruise missile vertical launch tobes, launch chambers for special forces, 4 torpedo tubes
  30 SSNs, Virginia VPM class, 40 vertical launch tubes, 4 torpedo tubes, 65 total missiles/torpedos
  30 SSNs, smaller class with no vertical launch cells, could be like French Barracuda
  30 SSKs, combination diesel/electric and air independent propulsion
  Total submarine fleet = 122 ships
  10 LHA/LHD, smaller than current USN LHA/LHD, like Spanish Juan Carlos
  10 LPH, like French Mistral
  10 LSD/LPD like British Albion
  10 LST, like Turkish Bayraktar or Australian Kanimbla but with conventional LST beaching bow
  10 LPA/LKA, could be converted merchants
  10 land attack/fire support frigate
  Total amphibious fleet = 60 ships, organized into 10 amphibious squadrons/readiness groups (PHIBRON/ARG), each capable of lifting a 4,000-person Marine Expeditionary Regiment (MER)
  30 ASW corvettes, optimized for shallow water ASW
  30 land attack patrol boats, like Swedish Visby
  30 mine countermeasures ships, 15 drone/helo sweep mother ships and 15 mineunters
  Total green/brown water fleet = 90 ships
  55 combat logistics force (CLF) ships--AOEs, AORs, AKs, AFSs
  6 tenders
  6 ATF/ARS/ASR
  6 hydrographic/spy ships
  3 Zumwalt class (2 as flagships for 6th and 7th fleets, third as weapons/systems test platform)
  Total auxiliary fleet = 76 ships
  Total fleet = 600 ships
  

How I would operate them:

• CVNs and CVs in 12 2-carrier carrier battle groups (CVBG), convertible into 6 of Marc Mitscher's 4-carrier task forces (CTF)
  Battleships and ASW carriers in 8 surface action/ASW hunter-killer (SAG/HUK) groups
  Cruisers, destroyers, escorts, and frigates in 20 escort squadrons (CORTRONS) each with 1 C, 2 D, 3 E, and 4 F, each CORTRON notionally assigned to 1 CVBG or SAG/HUK
  Amphibs as noted above
  Brown water ships in 15 coastal/littoral squadrons, assigned to major USA ports, with 1 squadron each forward based at Naples, Bahrain, and Singapore/Sepanggar/Subic/Cam Ranh
  SSKs to operate in choke point/littoral areas, freeing SSNs for blue water operations
  

I would have a rotation where ships spend 30% of time deployed or deployable, 30% of time in workup for deployment/surge, 30% of time in reduced readiness/reserve status (to save $$$), and 10% of time in major maintenance (shipyard/drydock).

In peacetime I would try to have one CVBG, one SAG/HUK, and one ARG in each of 3 main areas--Europe, MidEast, and WestPac. European CVBG would focus on Med, SAG/HUK on GIUK gap. In wartime I would up it to 2 CTF, 2 SAG/HUK, and 2 ARG in Europe and WestPac, and 1 CTF, 1 SAG/HUK, and 1 ARG in the MidEast.

China’s Naval Aggression
Video at link.

Quote:The U.S. no longer commands the world’s largest navy. China now holds that honor. As the U.S. fleet shrinks and China’s swells to lethal size, who really commands the seas?

(06-15-2021 10:42 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  I suspect that CSG has 1 or more undersea little friends with it. I suspect they make just enough noise on purpose to let the Chinese know they're there and can disappear just as fast.
I'm no fan of Uncle Joe, but I suspect that there's at least enough competency left in the Navy leadership to be ready to protect that group if needed.

Go to Navy-matters.blogspot.com and read what's posted there. Or go to g2mil.com and read what's posted there. If you can come away still believing that the Navy and Marine Corps have competent leadership at the top, then go ahead.

Best April Fools post I've seen. From https://navy-matters.blogspot.com/

"In what can only be described as an inevitable development that is sure to generate controversy, SecDef Austin and Marine Commandant Berger today announced the formation of a dedicated Marine Corps transgender regiment as an extension of the Commandant’s Force Design 2030 effort. From the announcement,
This transgender regiment typifies the diversity which gives the US military a pronounced combat advantage on the battlefield, said Austin. Diverse units have an inherent advantage over monolithic units, Berger added. We expect to build on this historic achievement by adding other types of dedicated, diverse units over the next few years as we phase out the obsolete MAGTF construct.[1]
The new regiment, which is already being derisively referred to as the Rainbow Regiment by some commentators, will be patterned after the Israeli dedicated female units. Describing the training model, Berger said,
Transgender Marines will form units during boot camp and stay together all the way through to their assignment to the field unit. This will ensure that the individual Marine’s preferred pronouns will be well established by the time they reach the field, thus facilitating battlefield communications.[1]
The Few, the Proud, the Diverse!

[1]Stars and Rainbows website, “Austin and Berger Announce Transgender Regiment”, Robbie Boygerl, 1-Apr-2023,
https://starsandrainbows.mil.it.ant.com"

'Keep Trying' — Naval Sea Systems Command Tells Americans to Advance Transgenderism

Quote:In 2023, “allyship” is all the rage. And the largest of the U.S. Navy’s five system commands hopes you’ll get with the times.

Transgenderism is presently seen in sundry sectors — government, media, entertainment, sports, education, and even religion. Still, it’s been decided there’s a need for advanced “visibility.” And on March 31st, America’s seafaring branch celebrated supplemental sight.

From the Naval Sea Systems Command, also known as NAVSEA:

[The International Transgender Day of Visibility] provides an opportunity to raise awareness about transgender individuals and their contributions to society, while also drawing attention to the discrimination and violence many trans individuals face.

International Transgender Day of Visibility was founded by trans advocate and licensed psychotherapist specializing in transgender issues, Rachel Crandall. She was motivated to found the day of visibility in response to the numerous news and personal stories about transgender individuals being victims of targeted attacks.

In case you’re unfamiliar, NAVSEA explains transgenderism:

Transgender women are assigned male at birth but identify as female; transgender men are assigned female at birth but identify as male.

“Encouragingly,” the SysCom weapons-builder says, “many states work every year to pass laws to protect LGBTQ+ people.”

Yet, perpetration persists:

However, some state legislatures are advancing bills that target transgender people and limit local protections.

So how might Naval Sea Systems Command readers perform their defensive duty? The answer lies in allyship:

Even if you are not a part of the trans community, a great way to celebrate Transgender Day of Visibility is being an ally.

There is no one way to be a “perfect” ally. The transgender community is diverse and complex, coming from every region of the world, from every racial and ethnic background, and from every faith community. This means that different members of the transgender community have different needs and priorities. Similarly, there is no one right way to handle every situation, or interact with every trans person. Be respectful, do your best and keep trying.

Over the past few years, our military has tremendously transformed. Once focused on killing people and breaking things, the service has softened and set a course for social justice. When needed, the Defense Department will even lend a hand to lactation:

U.S. Army Announces the Allowance of Lipstick, Nail Polish, and Better Breastfeeding

In the Battle for Inclusion, U.S. Navy Employs the Weapon of Interior Decorating

Navy Says Sailors Can Use Whichever Locker Room Suits Their Gender Identity

U.S. Army Revolutionizes Its Fitness Standards so Girls Can Pass

Army Secretary Champions What’s ‘Important’: Making ‘Marginalized Communities’ ‘Feel Included’

The Army Will Force Female Soldiers to Shower With Biological Males

In the fight for transgenderism’s viewability, activism starts at the top. And last Thursday, President Biden made a declaration:

“Transgender Day of Visibility celebrates the joy, strength, and absolute courage of some of the bravest people I know — people who have too often had to put their jobs, relationships, and lives on the line just to be their true selves. Today, we show millions of transgender and nonbinary Americans that we see them, they belong, and they should be treated with dignity and respect. Their courage has given countless others strength, but no one should have to be brave just to be themselves. Every American deserves that freedom.”

Though he now sees every trans individual, it seems to have taken decades to lay eyes on even one: Across 40 prior years in government, he appears to have never acknowledged any such person’s existence. If evidence to the contrary is available, it hasn’t been widely promoted.

The President did, though, recently recall 1950s Delaware:

Back to NAVSEA, the Navy is making sure the unseen are spotted. And please understand — you don’t have to understand:

You don’t have to understand someone’s identity to respect it. … [A]ll individuals, even those whose identities you don’t fully understand, deserve respect.

Even so, educate yourself:

This year for Transgender Day of Visibility, continue learning about transgender issues and rights. One of the simplest ways to be a strong ally is to take your education into your own hands and stand up for equality for all.

Equality for all sounds absolutely American; and contemporarily, it’s the aim of our war-tasked institutions.

(04-06-2023 11:21 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  [The International Transgender Day of Visibility] provides an opportunity to raise awareness about transgender individuals and their contributions to society, while also drawing attention to the discrimination and violence many trans individuals face.

What accomplishments?

Quote:Transgender women are assigned male at birth but identify as female; transgender men are assigned female at birth but identify as male.

They are not "assigned" male or female at birth. They ARE male or female, starting at birth.

If the "International Transgender Day of Visibility" was only a day later it would have made so much more sense to me.

Navy indoctrinates service members kids in gender identity without parental consent

Quote:On Friday, a video was posted to Twitter in which a Navy Nurse Practitioner addressed Navy personnel in Bahrain about medical policy regarding their children when a concerned father spoke up.

The Navy spokesperson explained the Navy medical policy regarding children and said, "This generation is definitely more open with experiencing and experimenting and so I ask those tough questions. Do you identify as a male, female, non-binary? If you have a crush on someone is it a male or a female? Do you have a significant other and yes, I'm asking them if they are having sex."

The medical spokesperson continued, "It is Navy DHA (Deployment Health Assessment), at 12-years-old, parents cannot look at their children’s medical records online. At 15 or 16 years old, there are 4 things [for which] a child can come into a clinic by scheduling their own appointment and we don't have to tell their parents. Mental health, birth control, pregnancy tests, and sexually transmitted infections."
A father in the audience asked, "When did this policy of preventing parents from being able to access their minor children's medical records start?"

The spokesperson claimed not to know the exact date the policy went into effect and continued, "When they come in for any of these concerns and their parents don’t know, I encourage them to talk to their parents. I build that rapport with them and encourage them to talk to their parents because then think about it, if they have that trust in that provider, and then you're coming in and getting their medical records, you're breaking that trust - you're not building that trust."

The parent questioned, "So the only issue I have with that is that they are a minor child; they are not of consenting age, correct? So I don't understand how, because I have a 17 year old and an almost 12 year old and I have never been notified of this policy until I just heard about it the other day and personally I think it's absolutely abhorrent that medical professionals will keep that kind of information from parents especially if there's some kind of pregnancy or STI and especially when it comes to gender."

The concerned father continued, "There’s so many things that are poisoning our kids' minds on social media when it comes to gender ideology and then medical professionals are now no longer required to disclose that information to parents? I think it is absolutely abhorrent and disgusting. As a parent, if someone kept that kind of information from me - and I don't know if you can tell but I am shaking right now because I am furious - that you would sit there and think that it's okay to hide that kind of information from the parent of a minor child if I ever find out that my child is going through these issues and I wasn't notified, I will go after every single person with a medical license that had anything to do with my child. Because I will do anything to keep my children safe. I think [this policy] is absolutely disgusting."

The Navy Nurse Practitioner responded, "Thank you for your opinion. Just like you are an advocate for your child, I am an advocate for your child and so when they come in and they disclose that information to me, sometimes I'm the first person that they have told and that’s happened here in Bahrain and so we have that discussion and they’re opening up to tell me that information. But there are parents that don’t want to hear it and are very close-minded and that’s why they keep those secrets. And that’s why we have teenage suicides."

The father asked, "So youre saying that the minor child, someone who can't consent to anything, who's not a legal adult, you’re saying the medical ‘professional’ has more rights than the parents of that child? That’s the Navy’s policy?"

"That's the policy, I didn’t make it," the Navy spokesperson responded.

The father, in a final attempt to clarify his parental rights over his children stated, "I'm not accusing you, ma'am. I'm simply calling out the Navy - that the policy, gives more rights, circumvents a parent’s right to know is what you're saying. That's the Navy’s official policy?”

The Navy medical spokesperson responded simply, "Yes."

Since the exchange was posted on Twitter, many have voiced their discontent with the Navy's official policy regarding parental rights of their children.

I saw some clips this morning that appeared to be a hearing on Naval plans regarding the building of the fleet. Saw Matt Gaetz giving somebody grief for their priorities. Can't find any clips online yet from it.

But I did run across this article on the subject.

Quote:Navy Shipbuilding Plan Draws Lawmakers’ Ire Anew
Like last year’s, the new long-range plan offers a three-option menu and fewer amphibs than Congress mandates.

Like its predecessor, the U.S. Navy’s 2024 long-range shipbuilding plan is a tardy, multiple-choice document that appears to fall short of the legal requirement for amphibious warships. And some lawmakers are not happy.

“Why are you violating the law? And why does your shipbuilding plan have no remote interest for the next 30 years, as far as I can tell, of hitting the statutory mandate that we told you to hit?” Sen. Dan Sullivan, R-Alaska, asked Navy Secretary Carlos Del Toro at a Tuesday hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

“It is my responsibility to follow the law. It's also my responsibility to ensure that we just don't waste taxpayer money on vessels, for example, that will never see the light of day,” Del Toro replied.

The hearing was held the day after the Navy sent lawmakers its latest plan for the next three decades of shipbuilding. The 31-page document added detail to the outlook promoted in the service’s 2024 budget request, which it sent to Congress in February.

The Navy shipbuilding "plan" is an absurd joke. It proposes spending $29B/year to build a 355-ship Navy. I have proposed a 600-ship navy for $28B/year. How? By building a large number of smaller single-purpose ships to fill out the numbers, the same as ADM Zumwalt's "high/low mix" approach from the 1970s. The Knox (which actually preceded Zumwalt) and Perry classes were widely criticized for being underpowered and undergunned, but they turned out to be pretty good anti-submarine warfare (ASW) platforms that were instrumental in turning the tide in the Cold War.

Today, the Navy had very limited, if any, capacity in the following areas:

- ASW
- Naval gunfire support (NGFS) of operations ashore
- Mine warfare, both mining and countermeasures

And this "plan" doesn't address any of those issues adequately.

(04-19-2023 11:15 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  I saw some clips this morning that appeared to be a hearing on Naval plans regarding the building of the fleet. Saw Matt Gaetz giving somebody grief for their priorities. Can't find any clips online yet from it.

But I did run across this article on the subject.

Quote:Navy Shipbuilding Plan Draws Lawmakers’ Ire Anew
Like last year’s, the new long-range plan offers a three-option menu and fewer amphibs than Congress mandates.

Like its predecessor, the U.S. Navy’s 2024 long-range shipbuilding plan is a tardy, multiple-choice document that appears to fall short of the legal requirement for amphibious warships. And some lawmakers are not happy.

“Why are you violating the law? And why does your shipbuilding plan have no remote interest for the next 30 years, as far as I can tell, of hitting the statutory mandate that we told you to hit?” Sen. Dan Sullivan, R-Alaska, asked Navy Secretary Carlos Del Toro at a Tuesday hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

“It is my responsibility to follow the law. It's also my responsibility to ensure that we just don't waste taxpayer money on vessels, for example, that will never see the light of day,” Del Toro replied.

The hearing was held the day after the Navy sent lawmakers its latest plan for the next three decades of shipbuilding. The 31-page document added detail to the outlook promoted in the service’s 2024 budget request, which it sent to Congress in February.

Hardly a shock. These are the same idiots that are retiring almost brand new ships because they apparently dont work---while they continue building even MORE of the same class of ships that dont work. Im not sure you can fix stupid once it reaches that kind of world class proficiency in the art of stupid.

But they DO know what pronouns to use.

Quote: The Navy is using a drag queen to push recruitment. Drag queens can’t win a battle with a public school board, much less the Taliban.

— Chad Prather (@WatchChad) May 3, 2023

Quote: Tell me what Putin and Xi think about the US Navy’s new Drag Queen recruiter: pic.twitter.com/JJp8QSzJkW

— Sebastian Gorka DrG (@SebGorka) May 3, 2023

Quote: So the US Military misses recruitment goals by a mile, all while…

Forcing experimental vaccines on troops
Training recruits on pronoun usage
Teaching CRT at service academies
Establishing a new DEI Committee at DoD
General Milley endorses reading "White Rage"

And instead… pic.twitter.com/bhbKhtec16

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) May 2, 2023