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RE: WAC FBS - Sooner rather than later!
(06-12-2021 10:38 AM)YesCubanB Wrote:  
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(06-11-2021 07:12 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  07-coffee3
https://www.itemonline.com/sports/sam-ho...0.amp.html

“Then there's the football aspect of it. We have the opportunity to be a strong FCS conference, but we're also exploring the FBS part of it. We looked at it 12 years ago, and the opportunity to explore that could expand some revenue opportunities as well.”

Keywords- exploring and could. Looked at it 12 years ago, but following a pandemic is definitely a better time to explore!!!

Didn't you hear about the pending studies? STUDIES!!!!

Also IntermentTexan talked about the “efficiency” of Texas schools that we are going to witness. You know efficiency from a state that can’t even keep the power running if the weather dips below 30 degrees.

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
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RE: WAC FBS - Sooner rather than later!
(06-12-2021 05:07 PM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  
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(06-12-2021 01:04 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 10:38 AM)YesCubanB Wrote:  
(06-11-2021 09:55 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  Didn't you hear about the pending studies? STUDIES!!!!

Also IntermentTexan talked about the “efficiency” of Texas schools that we are going to witness. You know efficiency from a state that can’t even keep the power running if the weather dips below 30 degrees.

Ngl, thats kind of a low blow there, it was way colder than that.

As to your main point though I still dont see what has changed about any of these schools to make them more qualified to be FBS than the last time they got passed over. I know people like to use the word potential but then why havent they met this potential after 100+years of existing?

Precisely. And the answer is nothing. Its the first time I have heard of changing conferences before doing the the study to see if the reason for the change makes sense or is feasible. And to explain it, referencing the future study as some kind of "proof" of why the move makes sense.

I can't speak about any of the other Texas schools but I am pretty sure Lamar was looking for an FBS conference twelve years ago but none would offer them a spot. In about 2007 or 2008 when they announced their intention to restart the football program the intent was to get to a FBS conference. Lamar has the facilities to meet FBS capacity minimums and I am sure there is enough financial support if a small addition to seating is necessary to make it happen. The bigger question is can they get attendance, but who you play has an effect on that so if seats sold counts as opposed to butts in the stands I believe that is achievable also.


Lamar over time has just ended up in the wrong part of Beaumont. Sitting next to Petrochemical Plants doesn’t do much for the University. The area is just not the greatest. Although nice to have the stadium on campus I think it would’ve been a better idea to have located out on I10. Ford Park stole that idea I guess.
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RE: WAC FBS - Sooner rather than later!
(06-12-2021 01:04 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 10:38 AM)YesCubanB Wrote:  
(06-11-2021 09:55 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(06-11-2021 08:11 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(06-11-2021 07:12 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  07-coffee3
https://www.itemonline.com/sports/sam-ho...0.amp.html

“Then there's the football aspect of it. We have the opportunity to be a strong FCS conference, but we're also exploring the FBS part of it. We looked at it 12 years ago, and the opportunity to explore that could expand some revenue opportunities as well.”

Keywords- exploring and could. Looked at it 12 years ago, but following a pandemic is definitely a better time to explore!!!

Didn't you hear about the pending studies? STUDIES!!!!

Also IntermentTexan talked about the “efficiency” of Texas schools that we are going to witness. You know efficiency from a state that can’t even keep the power running if the weather dips below 30 degrees.

Ngl, thats kind of a low blow there, it was way colder than that.

As to your main point though I still dont see what has changed about any of these schools to make them more qualified to be FBS than the last time they got passed over. I know people like to use the word potential but then why havent they met this potential after 100+years of existing?

First I’d like to say I live in Texas and had to live through last years winter storm power outage so I don’t feel it’s a low blow. It’s not a low blow to speak the truth about utility mismanagement and wrong priorities, and this isn’t an issue exclusive to Texas. Second, I absolutely do think every one of the schools in the WAC that are fb playing schools have the potential to make the jump to FBS. I’ve been a supporter of that from the start. Who wouldn’t? The part where some of us are having trouble getting on board with is this talk of it happening imminently (next 5 years or less). NMSU knows first hand how hard it is maintaining a D1 program. I do admit that we have less population and resources in our state to pull from but we also don’t have the abundance of already established D1 programs to compete with. The reason people like me are making fun of InterbredTexan are because of his delusional beliefs.
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RE: WAC FBS - Sooner rather than later!
(06-13-2021 10:31 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 10:38 AM)YesCubanB Wrote:  
(06-11-2021 09:55 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(06-11-2021 08:11 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(06-11-2021 07:12 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  07-coffee3
https://www.itemonline.com/sports/sam-ho...0.amp.html

“Then there's the football aspect of it. We have the opportunity to be a strong FCS conference, but we're also exploring the FBS part of it. We looked at it 12 years ago, and the opportunity to explore that could expand some revenue opportunities as well.”

Keywords- exploring and could. Looked at it 12 years ago, but following a pandemic is definitely a better time to explore!!!

Didn't you hear about the pending studies? STUDIES!!!!

Also IntermentTexan talked about the “efficiency” of Texas schools that we are going to witness. You know efficiency from a state that can’t even keep the power running if the weather dips below 30 degrees.

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

There were several ships stranded at the Houston Harbor that were bound for China with Tea. The resulting delay caused the price of tea in China to skyrocket!
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RE: WAC FBS - Sooner rather than later!
(06-13-2021 10:40 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 05:07 PM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 04:25 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 01:04 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(06-12-2021 10:38 AM)YesCubanB Wrote:  Also IntermentTexan talked about the “efficiency” of Texas schools that we are going to witness. You know efficiency from a state that can’t even keep the power running if the weather dips below 30 degrees.

Ngl, thats kind of a low blow there, it was way colder than that.

As to your main point though I still dont see what has changed about any of these schools to make them more qualified to be FBS than the last time they got passed over. I know people like to use the word potential but then why havent they met this potential after 100+years of existing?

Precisely. And the answer is nothing. Its the first time I have heard of changing conferences before doing the the study to see if the reason for the change makes sense or is feasible. And to explain it, referencing the future study as some kind of "proof" of why the move makes sense.

I can't speak about any of the other Texas schools but I am pretty sure Lamar was looking for an FBS conference twelve years ago but none would offer them a spot. In about 2007 or 2008 when they announced their intention to restart the football program the intent was to get to a FBS conference. Lamar has the facilities to meet FBS capacity minimums and I am sure there is enough financial support if a small addition to seating is necessary to make it happen. The bigger question is can they get attendance, but who you play has an effect on that so if seats sold counts as opposed to butts in the stands I believe that is achievable also.


Lamar over time has just ended up in the wrong part of Beaumont. Sitting next to Petrochemical Plants doesn’t do much for the University. The area is just not the greatest. Although nice to have the stadium on campus I think it would’ve been a better idea to have located out on I10. Ford Park stole that idea I guess.

I have to agree with you about the location of the campus. I'd support moving the campus if we could get a StarTrek transporter to move it where we wanted. On the good side, the campus is located next to two freeways and a few miles from IH10 so access is easy. The campus is also centrally located for much of the student population.

I agree some folks don't care for the area. I personally found a lot of good points when I grew up and lived there. I liked it there. I might still be there if I hadn't been transferred away. It's a great area for people who like boating, fishing, and water skiing. The Neches River is great for boating and water-skiing. Fishing is pretty good up river north of the Neches River / Pine Island Bayou confluence. That's where the Neches River Unit of the Big Thicket National Preserve starts. Driving, the southern part of the Big Thicket Preserve starts at the Beaumont city limit at Pine Island Bayou.
Heading north, there are two major lakes (Sam Rayburn and Toledo Bend) within an hour's drive. Going the other direction, the Gulf is about 30 miles away. My wife and I like touring older homes and buildings as well as museums. There are several in the area if you are into that type of thing. If you are a bird watcher (I'm not), the area is part of flyways for several birds. If you want big city, but don't want to spend all your time there, downtown Houston is only 80 miles away. Galveston is about the same distance while driving along the coast possibly stopping at several public beaches on the way there. Louisiana is 30 miles the other direction. The winters are usually comfortable. I used to start swimming as early as February, and start water-skiiing at least by late March or Apriil. The water was still cold that early, but it was comfortable out of the water. To contrast, we're just having our "spring" pollen where I now live, and had snow on the ground a couple of weeks ago.

On the bad side, the humidity is bad meaning often around 90-100%. When i was growing up, one could always tell when the wind was blowing from the north because of the odor from the papermill in Evadale. The area is highly industrialized with numerous petro-chemical plants. Some folks don't care for that. I worked in the energy business so I had no problems. Plus, I could get into the woods or on the river in a few minutes and get away from the industry if I wanted to. I could be at beaches in less than an hour if I wanted some variety.

To get this back to the WAC, I believe the conference is well positioned for taking one of many paths. I'm for a move to FBS, but would accept another path as well.

One of the advantages I see with the changes and new membership is an excuse to see a lot more of the western US. I like to visit college and university campuses. I'll have a bunch of new ones on my todo list now. The "Boss" and I haven't been to Seattle, St. George, or Stephenville, yet. We've only driven through Las Cruces, but liked what we saw. We drove through Riverside on our way back from Santa Barbara several years ago. That was a nice drive. I used to live in Sacramento so I have one of the associates covered. It has been so long that I probably need a refresher, though.
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(06-13-2021 01:28 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  07-coffee3
https://www.ktsm.com/sports/college-spor...in-decade/

It’s an article from January. Again, Southern Utah isn’t ready for FBS and neither is Tarleton. It will be at least decade and not “within 5 years”. Dream on.
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(06-13-2021 03:28 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  It’s an article from January. Again, Southern Utah isn’t ready for FBS and neither is Tarleton. It will be at least decade and not “within 5 years”. Dream on.

The thing that frustrates me is that this "FBS Discussion" is just such a trigger for all the fans on this message board and has led to some significant divides between a flurry of fan bases.

Can we agree as a WAC fan base to just lay off the discussion unless something relevant comes to the forefront, stop poking fun at NMSU's well documented shortcomings in the sport of football, Tarleton State's president and let the studies play out in the next year?
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(06-13-2021 03:28 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 01:28 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  07-coffee3
https://www.ktsm.com/sports/college-spor...in-decade/

It’s an article from January. Again, Southern Utah isn’t ready for FBS and neither is Tarleton. It will be at least decade and not “within 5 years”. Dream on.

“We understand that realistically this is going to be at least a five-year process."

I believe there has always been the recognition that this was a process that would unfold over time. At least five years is different from within five years.
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(06-13-2021 03:35 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 03:28 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  It’s an article from January. Again, Southern Utah isn’t ready for FBS and neither is Tarleton. It will be at least decade and not “within 5 years”. Dream on.

The thing that frustrates me is that this "FBS Discussion" is just such a trigger for all the fans on this message board and has led to some significant divides between a flurry of fan bases.

Can we agree as a WAC fan base to just lay off the discussion unless something relevant comes to the forefront, stop poking fun at NMSU's well documented shortcomings in the sport of football, Tarleton State's president and let the studies play out in the next year?


I Agree with TT. It’s getting to the point where a lot of the discussions are becoming toxic and up productive. Let’s save some of the vitriol for other conferences. Whether FBS is coming in 5 years, 10 years or not at all we as a conference have a lot to be optimistic about and as a football fan in exited to say THE WAC IS BACK BABY!!! and am exited for my alma mater as well as other new comers to add to this conference storied and historic resume! Let’s win some more nattys! #Waction #EatemUpKats


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(06-13-2021 03:28 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 01:28 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  07-coffee3
https://www.ktsm.com/sports/college-spor...in-decade/

It’s an article from January. Again, Southern Utah isn’t ready for FBS and neither is Tarleton. It will be at least decade and not “within 5 years”. Dream on.

Those creeping, elusive timeframes. Always just another 5 years lol. From the beginning of the FBS talk, it was always within 5 years. And it probably always will be.
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(06-13-2021 03:42 PM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 03:28 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 01:28 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  07-coffee3
https://www.ktsm.com/sports/college-spor...in-decade/

It’s an article from January. Again, Southern Utah isn’t ready for FBS and neither is Tarleton. It will be at least decade and not “within 5 years”. Dream on.

“We understand that realistically this is going to be at least a five-year process."

I believe there has always been the recognition that this was a process that would unfold over time. At least five years is different from within five years.

Problem is, the new CFP contract will not include a conference which isn't FBS by the time it goes into affect 07-coffee3
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(06-13-2021 04:19 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 03:42 PM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 03:28 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 01:28 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  07-coffee3
https://www.ktsm.com/sports/college-spor...in-decade/

It’s an article from January. Again, Southern Utah isn’t ready for FBS and neither is Tarleton. It will be at least decade and not “within 5 years”. Dream on.

“We understand that realistically this is going to be at least a five-year process."

I believe there has always been the recognition that this was a process that would unfold over time. At least five years is different from within five years.

Problem is, the new CFP contract will not include a conference which isn't FBS by the time it goes into affect 07-coffee3

They'll wait for the contract negotiation time frame to pass, use that as an excuse not to go FBS and most likely never release any of their "studies." It's all a hoax.
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(06-13-2021 04:19 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 03:42 PM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 03:28 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 01:28 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  07-coffee3
https://www.ktsm.com/sports/college-spor...in-decade/

It’s an article from January. Again, Southern Utah isn’t ready for FBS and neither is Tarleton. It will be at least decade and not “within 5 years”. Dream on.

“We understand that realistically this is going to be at least a five-year process."

I believe there has always been the recognition that this was a process that would unfold over time. At least five years is different from within five years.

Problem is, the new CFP contract will not include a conference which isn't FBS by the time it goes into affect 07-coffee3

Bingo. 04-cheers
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(06-13-2021 04:32 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 04:19 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 03:42 PM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 03:28 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 01:28 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  07-coffee3
https://www.ktsm.com/sports/college-spor...in-decade/

It’s an article from January. Again, Southern Utah isn’t ready for FBS and neither is Tarleton. It will be at least decade and not “within 5 years”. Dream on.

“We understand that realistically this is going to be at least a five-year process."

I believe there has always been the recognition that this was a process that would unfold over time. At least five years is different from within five years.

Problem is, the new CFP contract will not include a conference which isn't FBS by the time it goes into affect 07-coffee3

Bingo. 04-cheers

Which means, Itinetant - if the WAC is not FBS by 2026 it will not be awarded a piece of the pie. They'll be eligible for the playoff, but not the financial windfall the G5 currently receives.
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(06-13-2021 04:56 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 04:32 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 04:19 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 03:42 PM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 03:28 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  It’s an article from January. Again, Southern Utah isn’t ready for FBS and neither is Tarleton. It will be at least decade and not “within 5 years”. Dream on.

“We understand that realistically this is going to be at least a five-year process."

I believe there has always been the recognition that this was a process that would unfold over time. At least five years is different from within five years.

Problem is, the new CFP contract will not include a conference which isn't FBS by the time it goes into affect 07-coffee3

Bingo. 04-cheers

Which means, Itinetant - if the WAC is not FBS by 2026 it will not be awarded a piece of the pie. They'll be eligible for the playoff, but not the financial windfall the G5 currently receives.

Go on...07-coffee3
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(06-13-2021 04:58 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 04:56 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 04:32 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 04:19 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 03:42 PM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  “We understand that realistically this is going to be at least a five-year process."

I believe there has always been the recognition that this was a process that would unfold over time. At least five years is different from within five years.

Problem is, the new CFP contract will not include a conference which isn't FBS by the time it goes into affect 07-coffee3

Bingo. 04-cheers

Which means, Itinetant - if the WAC is not FBS by 2026 it will not be awarded a piece of the pie. They'll be eligible for the playoff, but not the financial windfall the G5 currently receives.

Go on...07-coffee3

I reckon if any WAC member shows signs of life, the MWC will pluck them away to try and keep the WAC from emerging. Being one of only two western FBS conferences has its perks.
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(06-13-2021 05:05 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 04:58 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 04:56 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 04:32 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(06-13-2021 04:19 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Problem is, the new CFP contract will not include a conference which isn't FBS by the time it goes into affect 07-coffee3

Bingo. 04-cheers

Which means, Itinetant - if the WAC is not FBS by 2026 it will not be awarded a piece of the pie. They'll be eligible for the playoff, but not the financial windfall the G5 currently receives.

Go on...07-coffee3

I reckon if any WAC member shows signs of life, the MWC will pluck them away to try and keep the WAC from emerging. Being one of only two western FBS conferences has its perks.

Ahh, that's where we disagree. I think the WAC will do some more plucking of its own, and it be will be a Texas-centric league.

But back to the point I was making earlier.. in bringing up the 2026-2027 CFP deadline, aren't you suggesting the WAC would have to start making moves...."sooner rather than later"?

And we now know beyond a shadow of a doubt that moves are being made. We also know the new members have made no bones about their FBS intentions in the WAC. Will all new WAC members take the leap? Doubt it. But the Texas schools sure will. UTRGV, too.

Resistance is futile, this thing is in motion and times 'a tickin'...
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Not sure about the 5 year plan. But, I definitely could see it happening within the decade. Texas and Utah are growing to fast in population to be held back. In the next decade Tarleton will have over 25K students with Ft Worth campus coming to completion. Exciting times for sure. Even if the BIG BAD TOAD WANTS TO RAIN ON OUR PARADE.
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RE: WAC FBS - Sooner rather than later!
(06-13-2021 07:09 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  Not sure about the 5 year plan. But, I definitely could see it happening within the decade. Texas and Utah are growing to fast in population to be held back. In the next decade Tarleton will have over 25K students with Ft Worth campus coming to completion. Exciting times for sure. Even if the BIG BAD TOAD WANTS TO RAIN ON OUR PARADE.

Yeah but the CFP cash makes it worth a shot, so we gotta shoot our shot. Priority/Task #1 for Tarleton was funding. Check that box with the new athletic fee. 20-25k students @ $35/hour multiplier adds up in a hurry. Hurley was smart enough to tie the fee directly to enrollment while Tarleton is in a tremendous growth cycle. The timing was perfect.
(This post was last modified: 06-13-2021 09:38 PM by Itinerant Texan.)
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