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(05-28-2021 09:10 AM)usffan Wrote: Speaking of which, I was surprised to learn most people don't realize several of Pink Floyd's greatest albums are actually intended to be endless loops. For example, The Wall:
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Looks like several of us got negative rep dinged from the Jedster. LOL. Dude can't take it without getting personal. He might want to find another hobby.
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(05-28-2021 09:10 AM)usffan Wrote: Speaking of which, I was surprised to learn most people don't realize several of Pink Floyd's greatest albums are actually intended to be endless loops. For example, The Wall:
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(05-28-2021 10:16 AM)tnzazz Wrote:
(05-28-2021 09:10 AM)usffan Wrote: Speaking of which, I was surprised to learn most people don't realize several of Pink Floyd's greatest albums are actually intended to be endless loops. For example, The Wall:
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(05-28-2021 03:32 PM)4xGrad Wrote:
(05-28-2021 10:16 AM)tnzazz Wrote:
(05-28-2021 09:10 AM)usffan Wrote: Speaking of which, I was surprised to learn most people don't realize several of Pink Floyd's greatest albums are actually intended to be endless loops. For example, The Wall:
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(05-28-2021 03:32 PM)4xGrad Wrote:
(05-28-2021 10:16 AM)tnzazz Wrote:
(05-28-2021 09:10 AM)usffan Wrote: Speaking of which, I was surprised to learn most people don't realize several of Pink Floyd's greatest albums are actually intended to be endless loops. For example, The Wall:
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(05-29-2021 08:08 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote: I've never understood the fascination some on here have with Boyzee.
They're not close to anyone. They had their time in the sun but they're quickly fading away.
They don't bring much to the table. We don't need them by any stretch. Yet we're up to our arse in nerds around here wanting to add them.
I just don't get it.
I agree. Outside of trying to cripple the MWC they aren't worth the effort in their down slide. They may always be in the top 3 in their conference but the add isn't worth it with all the additional travel. Besides adding them won't get anymore money from ESPN. Not down on Boise per say but the western reach that helps the AAC is BYU FB only at this point in time, or Air Force FB only or all sports which helps Navy's scheduling. Either way without BYU, AF or even Army, all of which are not joining the AAC any time soon, its best for the AAC to sit with eleven with the waiver or until the conference sees if the NCAA changes the division rule.
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(05-29-2021 08:47 AM)panite Wrote:
(05-29-2021 08:08 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote: I've never understood the fascination some on here have with Boyzee.
They're not close to anyone. They had their time in the sun but they're quickly fading away.
They don't bring much to the table. We don't need them by any stretch. Yet we're up to our arse in nerds around here wanting to add them.
I just don't get it.
I agree. Outside of trying to cripple the MWC they aren't worth the effort in their down slide. They may always be in the top 3 in their conference but the add isn't worth it with all the additional travel. Besides adding them won't get anymore money from ESPN. Not down on Boise per say but the western reach that helps the AAC is BYU FB only at this point in time, or Air Force FB only or all sports which helps Navy's scheduling. Either way without BYU, AF or even Army, all of which are not joining the AAC any time soon, its best for the AAC to sit with eleven with the waiver or until the conference sees if the NCAA changes the division rule.
I've never advocated for Boyzee as a must add, but honestly, there are only a handful of programs worth inclusion and the Broncos are one of them IMO. Losing UGone didn't hurt us from a football perspective but losing their national brand did from a conference perspective. That's why any add needs to be a program that has some historical brand/tradition/success or we become closer to everyone else not named A5. That leads me to this last point, it's not just about the money from ESPN but how we can continue to separate our conference from the remaining non-A5. What was the point of the "P6" campaign if we don't try to act like one? I think BYU is the best remaining program out there but it may take a baby step first to entice them in the future. That's where a Boyzee add makes some sense if it becomes part of a longer term strategy.
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(05-29-2021 07:57 AM)tnzazz Wrote:
(05-28-2021 03:32 PM)4xGrad Wrote:
(05-28-2021 10:16 AM)tnzazz Wrote:
(05-28-2021 09:10 AM)usffan Wrote: Speaking of which, I was surprised to learn most people don't realize several of Pink Floyd's greatest albums are actually intended to be endless loops. For example, The Wall:
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(05-29-2021 08:08 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote: I've never understood the fascination some on here have with Boyzee.
They're not close to anyone. They had their time in the sun but they're quickly fading away.
They don't bring much to the table. We don't need them by any stretch. Yet we're up to our arse in nerds around here wanting to add them.
I just don't get it.
Neither do I. Boise has gone downhill for the last few seasons, they have a limited future and if it were not for the fact that we do in fact need a 12th team no one would give a damn about them. On the other hand BYU is a worthy target. Unfortunately they value independence and will not join any conference but a P5 conference.
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(05-31-2021 05:41 AM)Rob3338 Wrote:
(05-29-2021 08:08 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote: I've never understood the fascination some on here have with Boyzee.
They're not close to anyone. They had their time in the sun but they're quickly fading away.
They don't bring much to the table. We don't need them by any stretch. Yet we're up to our arse in nerds around here wanting to add them.
I just don't get it.
Neither do I. Boise has gone downhill for the last few seasons, they have a limited future and if it were not for the fact that we do in fact need a 12th team no one would give a damn about them. On the other hand BYU is a worthy target. Unfortunately they value independence and will not join any conference but a P5 conference.
I believe that year by year, more and more BYU fans jump on the AAC train to some degree. I’ve read articles about the future of BYU and while a lot of their fans will tell you they value their independence right now, I believe they see the writing on the wall with regard to Playoff access and if the American can create a clear path then they join. Of course this is if we can concede to the BYU TV and work that out.
Maybe that is the main reason for only wanting Football only for the Western Schools? Boise should not get an unequal share in the AAC like they enjoy in the MWC. Navy gets a sweetheart deal but has contributed recently to the AAC package we can bring the networks because the Army Navy game and I want to say the Notre Dame game in some seasons count towards the AAC media deal. So Navy adds at the top. Could BYU bring such a highly rated home game? Would it warrant a special deal like Navy has? It’s a lot easier to work with BYU TV if you only need to worry about football.
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(05-29-2021 08:08 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote: I've never understood the fascination some on here have with Boyzee.
They're not close to anyone. They had their time in the sun but they're quickly fading away.
They don't bring much to the table. We don't need them by any stretch. Yet we're up to our arse in nerds around here wanting to add them.
I just don't get it.
Ask CBS who will be placing two Boise games on the CBS over the air network next season. Like it or not TV networks see Boise as valuable—-likely because the general public sees them as a brand worth watching. If you want to get to 12, all the AAC potential additions with any modicum of brand value are in the West. So, unless you just are fine with adding some random eastern program that lowers the overall conference value simply because they are close—we have reached the end of the line in terms of quality schools in the east. That’s not really a new situation. Keep in mind, the last three AAC football additions from the east were Tulane, ECU, and Tulsa.
If “geography” mattered as much as “brand”, Cincinnati would be in the MAC and you’d be starting threads about the “big game” against Toledo. In the end, we have 3 choices, either go west where some value exists, add a team with no value, or stand pat until a better choice in the east emerges from the G4 scrum.
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(05-31-2021 08:35 AM)UHCougar08 Wrote:
(05-31-2021 05:41 AM)Rob3338 Wrote:
(05-29-2021 08:08 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote: I've never understood the fascination some on here have with Boyzee.
They're not close to anyone. They had their time in the sun but they're quickly fading away.
They don't bring much to the table. We don't need them by any stretch. Yet we're up to our arse in nerds around here wanting to add them.
I just don't get it.
Neither do I. Boise has gone downhill for the last few seasons, they have a limited future and if it were not for the fact that we do in fact need a 12th team no one would give a damn about them. On the other hand BYU is a worthy target. Unfortunately they value independence and will not join any conference but a P5 conference.
I believe that year by year, more and more BYU fans jump on the AAC train to some degree. I’ve read articles about the future of BYU and while a lot of their fans will tell you they value their independence right now, I believe they see the writing on the wall with regard to Playoff access and if the American can create a clear path then they join. Of course this is if we can concede to the BYU TV and work that out.
Maybe that is the main reason for only wanting Football only for the Western Schools? Boise should not get an unequal share in the AAC like they enjoy in the MWC. Navy gets a sweetheart deal but has contributed recently to the AAC package we can bring the networks because the Army Navy game and I want to say the Notre Dame game in some seasons count towards the AAC media deal. So Navy adds at the top. Could BYU bring such a highly rated home game? Would it warrant a special deal like Navy has? It’s a lot easier to work with BYU TV if you only need to worry about football.
Not sure what you do and don't define as a sweetheart or special deal.
Boise State got the mwc to agree to terms for the Broncos' return that add up to inequitable distribution. Boise's home football games are to be negotiated as a package separate from the rest of the conference rights, and Boise State gets more money from the conference's media revenue than the other 11 schools - short story $1.8M more.
Navy does not get any inequitable distribution from the AAC. We had a thread recently on the Orlando Sentinel article for the year ending 30 June 2020. Navy's $3.84 million is around 80% of the distributions for four schools clustered around $4.5 million. Wichita State got right around 30% of that SWAGged "standard share" - in keeping with all the assessments that a football-only share is somewhere between 70-80%. Navy went to the Liberty Bowl in the season in question and I believe sold our full ticket allotment, so the difference between 70% and 80%, less than a million dollars, could be largely attributed to whatever the conference's calculations are for reimbursement of bowl expenses (that's one of several reasons no two disbursements are exactly equal). That's a good baseline for shares, and consistent with past distributions. For the year including the 2018 season, a non-bowl year for Navy, Navy's $1.978 million was right at 60% of the $3.3 million around which several non-bowl teams were clustered, so it's possible a football-only share is less than 70% -- but I'm pretty comfortable using 70/30 for message board discussions.
The CBSSN deal for Navy's NMCMS home games goes into the AAC coffers. That was negotiated separately due to several circumstances. Those rights were sold a year before the primary media rights deal, as Navy's former independent deal expired. Navy's membership agreement from 2012 had a few requirements stipulated - thou shalt not mess with Army-Navy, two of our other out of conference games will be AF first weekend of October and Notre Dame last weekend October/first weekend November and conference schedulers work around them, and Navy home games will be on Saturdays. That last one contributed to the deal going to CBSSN - ESPN apparently wasn't interested enough when offered, but CBSSN does like branding itself as the home of service academy football. The Notre Dame game every other year and ESPN's choice of one NMCMS game (excepting Air Force) ARE in the AAC-ESPN deal. (Army-Navy is not in the AAC media rights.) This year that ABC/ESPN/ESPN2 game from NMCMS will be Cincinnati on 23 October. Navy brings its fair share of viewers/value to the primary deal with that content (for the first year of the new contract, the BYU game was a direct replacement for the ND game) plus our value-add to Navy games at AAC conference mates - 1/11th or more of the viewership/value of AAC conference-controlled inventory is accounted for in the five-six Navy games in the deal year over year.
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"Boise should not get an unequal share in the AAC like they enjoy in the MWC."
IF Boise were ever to receive an invite to the AAC I am convinced it would be an equal share... and would be well received in Boise. You have to review WHY does Boise get an unequal share in the MWC.
Boise received and accepted an invite to the Big East. Not only was there a path
to the big bowls but there was considerably more money connected to the conference affiliation. Before they played a single game though the conference was raided. It appeared to be in big trouble. It looked like the value would decrease significantly and the bowl opportunities looked to be disappearing.
The MWC saw an opportunity to retain BSU which they felt made the conference stronger. The MWC offered up a proposal. they could not offer more money to match the money in the Big East. Instead of paying BSU more than the other conference members they would allow BSU to negotiate their home games with the network separately. In consultation with ESPN BSU was able to come up with a plan to mitigate the financial loss of returning to the MWC. At the time everyone thought this was a win-win scenario for the MWC and BSU. Now everyone forgets why this was in place and sees it as a "special deal" and should be disallowed.
The schools in the AAC have a very similar payout to what BSU currently has with their "special deal". Hind sight is considerably clearer than predicting the future. If BSU had not taken the MWC offer they would be an FB only member of the AAC right now.
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(05-31-2021 08:59 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:
(05-29-2021 08:08 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote: I've never understood the fascination some on here have with Boyzee.
They're not close to anyone. They had their time in the sun but they're quickly fading away.
They don't bring much to the table. We don't need them by any stretch. Yet we're up to our arse in nerds around here wanting to add them.
I just don't get it.
Ask CBS who will be placing two Boise games on the CBS over the air network next season. Like it or not TV networks see Boise as valuable—-likely because the general public sees them as a brand worth watching. If you want to get to 12, all the AAC potential additions with any modicum of brand value are in the West. So, unless you just are fine with adding some random eastern program that lowers the overall conference value simply because they are close—we have reached the end of the line in terms of quality schools in the east. That’s not really a new situation. Keep in mind, the last AAC 3 football additions from the east were Tulane, ECU, and Tulsa.
If “geography” mattered as much as “brand”, Cincinnati would be in the MAC and you’d be starting threads about the “big game” against Toledo. In the end, we have 3 choices, either go west where some value exists, add a team with no value, or stand pat until a better choice in the east emerges from the G4 scrum.
Good post.
ESPN liked Boise State's brand enough to pay for the package of blue turf games in the previous mwc deal, and Fox liked Boise State's brand enough to pay for it in the current mwc deal, and CBS/CBSSN has now demonstrated it as well.
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