I guess the proposal on the 9th game at a neutral site is to promote football investment and to penalize the lack of football investment.

While I agree with it in priciple, a better approach might be simply tieing a media payout to football success (conference standing, attendance, etc.). If the moeny is equally distributed like now, there is always a potential free rider problem.

With respect to the 9th game, in a sense the ACC is already doing it partially. Every ACC team plays ND as a de facto 9th game once in three years. So why not counting the ND game as a conference game and set up another crossover rival while not playing ND?

For example for the 9th game,

Clemson plays ND once in three years and Miami for the other two years;
Virignia Tech plays ND once in three years and Louisville for the other two years;
Duke plays ND once in three years and NC stste for the other two years.

This scheme would result in more marquee matchups and rivalry games that should generate more interest and viewership. ND games as conference games woud be more meaningful, too.

(05-26-2021 09:29 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  With respect to the 9th game... why not counting the ND game as a conference game...?

You want to count Notre Dame games in the ACC standings without them actually being a football member of the conference?

No.

https://youtu.be/cMTAUr3Nm6I?t=35

No.

No.

(05-26-2021 12:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 09:29 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  With respect to the 9th game... why not counting the ND game as a conference game...?

You want to count Notre Dame games in the ACC standings without them actually being a football member of the conference?

No.

https://youtu.be/cMTAUr3Nm6I?t=35

No.

No.

If he means counting them for ACC schools, I don't really care. I understand your reaction, though.

If he means counting them for ND in the standings, no, please no.....no more "schemes" to try to rope ND into further football conference involvement.

All these message board schemes do is piss off other fans at ND for "special treatment" for things ND does not want at all.

(05-26-2021 10:00 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 12:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 09:29 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  With respect to the 9th game... why not counting the ND game as a conference game...?

You want to count Notre Dame games in the ACC standings without them actually being a football member of the conference?

No.

https://youtu.be/cMTAUr3Nm6I?t=35

No.

No.

If he means counting them for ACC schools, I don't really care. I understand your reaction, though.

If he means counting them for ND in the standings, no, please no.....no more "schemes" to try to rope ND into further football conference involvement.

All these message board schemes do is piss off other fans at ND for "special treatment" for things ND does not want at all.

I see no reason to be mad at Notre Dame or her fans. You're not the ones coming up with these schemes.

TBH, no reason to be mad at anyone - I'm sure they all mean well.

But, no.

(05-26-2021 10:08 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 10:00 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 12:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 09:29 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  With respect to the 9th game... why not counting the ND game as a conference game...?

You want to count Notre Dame games in the ACC standings without them actually being a football member of the conference?

No.

https://youtu.be/cMTAUr3Nm6I?t=35

No.

No.

If he means counting them for ACC schools, I don't really care. I understand your reaction, though.

If he means counting them for ND in the standings, no, please no.....no more "schemes" to try to rope ND into further football conference involvement.

All these message board schemes do is piss off other fans at ND for "special treatment" for things ND does not want at all.

I see no reason to be mad at Notre Dame or her fans. You're not the ones coming up with these schemes.

TBH, no reason to be mad at anyone - I'm sure they all mean well.

But, no.

Lol, I hear you.

But hey the ACC had already made an exception before. Who would have thought the ACC would add a team which plays only five ACC games?

I mean the ACC made an unusual arrangement with ND, which made it difficult for certain ACC teams to agree with the nine conference games. So why not introducing an unusual rule to make the best out of the ND arrangement?

I didn’t mean to give an ND a right to participate the ACC championship games. No incentive for the ACC to do so. And yeah, I knew Terry would not like it.

(05-26-2021 11:19 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 10:08 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 10:00 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 12:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 09:29 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  With respect to the 9th game... why not counting the ND game as a conference game...?

You want to count Notre Dame games in the ACC standings without them actually being a football member of the conference?

No.

https://youtu.be/cMTAUr3Nm6I?t=35

No.

No.

If he means counting them for ACC schools, I don't really care. I understand your reaction, though.

If he means counting them for ND in the standings, no, please no.....no more "schemes" to try to rope ND into further football conference involvement.

All these message board schemes do is piss off other fans at ND for "special treatment" for things ND does not want at all.

I see no reason to be mad at Notre Dame or her fans. You're not the ones coming up with these schemes.

TBH, no reason to be mad at anyone - I'm sure they all mean well.

But, no.

Lol, I hear you.

But hey the ACC had already made an exception before. Who would have thought the ACC would add a team which plays only five ACC games?

I mean the ACC made an unusual arrangement with ND, which made it difficult for certain ACC teams to agree with the nine conference games. So why not introducing an unusual rule to make the best out of the ND arrangement?

I didn’t mean to give an ND a right to participate the ACC championship games. No incentive for the ACC to do so. And yeah, I knew Terry would not like it.

What about this as a solution and I wouldn't mind the SEC doing this either: go to 9 conference games, but allow teams playing traditional, state mandated games or Notre Dame games as fake "conference" games. Basically, this means that all teams have to play an additional conference game except for Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, whoever has Notre Dame, and NC State/UNC when they have ECU on the schedule. That way, the ACC would have more conference games to sell, but teams that want the ability to schedule marquee OOC opponents could do so.

The PAC 12 already plays nine conference games, and loves it, but, they only have two teams with traditional OOC opponents. (I realize that sometimes Utah plays BYU and Colorado used to play Colorado State, but it's not an every year affair...yet. When it does, I suspect that the PAC 12 will look into something like this as well.). I believe that the Big Ten also plays 9 conference games, but already, I have heard some grumbling about it from Big Ten coaches.

(05-26-2021 10:08 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 10:00 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 12:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 09:29 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  With respect to the 9th game... why not counting the ND game as a conference game...?

You want to count Notre Dame games in the ACC standings without them actually being a football member of the conference?

No.

https://youtu.be/cMTAUr3Nm6I?t=35

No.

No.

If he means counting them for ACC schools, I don't really care. I understand your reaction, though.

If he means counting them for ND in the standings, no, please no.....no more "schemes" to try to rope ND into further football conference involvement.

All these message board schemes do is piss off other fans at ND for "special treatment" for things ND does not want at all.

I see no reason to be mad at Notre Dame or her fans. You're not the ones coming up with these schemes.

TBH, no reason to be mad at anyone - I'm sure they all mean well.

But, no.

Its just that I have seen dozens of threads over the years on multiple message boards with posters coming up with these schemes.

The threads often degenerate into a long list of posters responding with "Screw ND and its special treatment" and other epithets.

So, no, I don't like them.

(05-27-2021 09:29 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  What about this as a solution and I wouldn't mind the SEC doing this either: go to 9 conference games, but allow teams playing traditional, state mandated games or Notre Dame games as fake "conference" games. Basically, this means that all teams have to play an additional conference game except for Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, whoever has Notre Dame, and NC State/UNC when they have ECU on the schedule. That way, the ACC would have more conference games to sell, but teams that want the ability to schedule marquee OOC opponents could do so.

The PAC 12 already plays nine conference games, and loves it, but, they only have two teams with traditional OOC opponents. (I realize that sometimes Utah plays BYU and Colorado used to play Colorado State, but it's not an every year affair...yet. When it does, I suspect that the PAC 12 will look into something like this as well.). I believe that the Big Ten also plays 9 conference games, but already, I have heard some grumbling about it from Big Ten coaches.

There's a simpler AND better solution, IMO.

The Big Ten, Big XII, and Pac-12 all mandate a total of 10 P5 games per year. In their case, that boils down to 9 conference + 1 P5 OOC. I think the ACC (and SEC if you like) should do the same, only use the formula 8 conference + 2 OOC (with the option to play a cross-division conference foe as OOC if you want).

If you count games against Notre Dame (and possibly a few others) as "P5 OOC", there are more than enough for every team in both the ACC and SEC to play two P5 OOC games per year. Of course, some of those games will be ACC-vs-SEC, but that ain't a bad thing!

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2014/...c-p5s.html

In the ACC, Clemson, FSU, Louisville, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Duke, and Virginia already do this most years.

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2019/...years.html

I’ve long been an advocate of the P5 requiring a minimum of 10 P5 opponents a year.

I also like the idea of playing OOC games against conference opponents you might not necessarily play as often as you’d like—the UNC-WF series is a good example.