(05-27-2021 10:44 AM)MKPitt Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 08:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  18 pretty predictable schools have 58 of the last 60 AP titles. BYU 1984 and Pitt 1976 were the exceptions. They also won 69 of the 75 since WWII. (MN, Syracuse, MD and Mich. St. won titles in the 50s)

Alabama 12
USC 5
Miami 5
Nebraska 4
Oklahoma 4
Notre Dame 4
Texas 3
Clemson 3
Florida 3
Florida St. 3
Ohio St. 3
LSU 2
Penn St. 2
Auburn 1
Colorado 1
Georgia 1
Tennessee 1
Michigan 1


BYU 1
Pitt 1

Nitpicking here but Colorado is much more like Pitt and BYU than the other schools here. In the last 60 years, Colorado is 26th, BYU is 30th and Pitt is 33rd in total AP poll appearances.

From 1990 to about 2005, Colorado was one of the top programs, much like Oregon has been over the last decade. They have kind of fallen off the cliff since they left the Big 12.

(05-27-2021 11:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 10:44 AM)MKPitt Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 08:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  18 pretty predictable schools have 58 of the last 60 AP titles. BYU 1984 and Pitt 1976 were the exceptions. They also won 69 of the 75 since WWII. (MN, Syracuse, MD and Mich. St. won titles in the 50s)

Alabama 12
USC 5
Miami 5
Nebraska 4
Oklahoma 4
Notre Dame 4
Texas 3
Clemson 3
Florida 3
Florida St. 3
Ohio St. 3
LSU 2
Penn St. 2
Auburn 1
Colorado 1
Georgia 1
Tennessee 1
Michigan 1


BYU 1
Pitt 1

Nitpicking here but Colorado is much more like Pitt and BYU than the other schools here. In the last 60 years, Colorado is 26th, BYU is 30th and Pitt is 33rd in total AP poll appearances.

From 1990 to about 2005, Colorado was one of the top programs, much like Oregon has been over the last decade. They have kind of fallen off the cliff since they left the Big 12.

Colorado's drop off started when they joined the Big 12, not when they left it. In their last 10 years in the Big 8 they won 75% of their games. In their 15 years with the Big 12 they won only 51%. They've fallen even further since joining the PAC, winning only 36% of the time.

The question is did becoming a geographical outlier hurt their recruiting once the Big 8 joined up with the Texas schools? And even more when they later joined the PAC? Or is the competition just that much harder?

(05-27-2021 09:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  Fourteen schools have been voted AP National Champion in football while playing for the conference in which they are now a member. How many can you name?

Alabama
LSU
Georgia
Florida
Tennessee
Auburn

FSU
Clemson

USC
Oklahoma
Texas

Ohio State
Michigan
Minnesota

All but Minnesota came quickly, LOL. I guessed Minnesota but then had to check to confirm it, as I wasn't sure.

Another interesting thing - IIRC, no new schools have been added recently. I think the last time a new team was added to the list was Florida in 1996**, twenty-five years ago. So in the BCS/CFP era, there have been no new teams, I think.

** Unless someone wants to get petty with names. E.g., before 1997, the last time Michigan had won the AP title was when the Big 10 was called the Big 9. But IMO that doesn't count, same conference.

Wasn't K- State #1 when they went into the Big XII title game against A&M? I'm thinking 97 or 98??

(05-27-2021 02:43 PM)Shox Wrote:  Wasn't K- State #1 when they went into the Big XII title game against A&M? I'm thinking 97 or 98??

I think Kansas St peaked at #2 - and did a couple times in other years.

(05-27-2021 02:43 PM)Shox Wrote:  Wasn't K- State #1 when they went into the Big XII title game against A&M? I'm thinking 97 or 98??

They were not #1. But KSU and UCLA (to Miami) both lost and had either won, they would have been in the BCS title game. (I did look it up. KSU was #1 in the coaches poll, but #2 in AP).

(05-27-2021 12:08 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 11:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 10:44 AM)MKPitt Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 08:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  18 pretty predictable schools have 58 of the last 60 AP titles. BYU 1984 and Pitt 1976 were the exceptions. They also won 69 of the 75 since WWII. (MN, Syracuse, MD and Mich. St. won titles in the 50s)

Alabama 12
USC 5
Miami 5
Nebraska 4
Oklahoma 4
Notre Dame 4
Texas 3
Clemson 3
Florida 3
Florida St. 3
Ohio St. 3
LSU 2
Penn St. 2
Auburn 1
Colorado 1
Georgia 1
Tennessee 1
Michigan 1


BYU 1
Pitt 1

Nitpicking here but Colorado is much more like Pitt and BYU than the other schools here. In the last 60 years, Colorado is 26th, BYU is 30th and Pitt is 33rd in total AP poll appearances.

From 1990 to about 2005, Colorado was one of the top programs, much like Oregon has been over the last decade. They have kind of fallen off the cliff since they left the Big 12.

Colorado's drop off started when they joined the Big 12, not when they left it. In their last 10 years in the Big 8 they won 75% of their games. In their 15 years with the Big 12 they won only 51%. They've fallen even further since joining the PAC, winning only 36% of the time.

The question is did becoming a geographical outlier hurt their recruiting once the Big 8 joined up with the Texas schools? And even more when they later joined the PAC? Or is the competition just that much harder?

Colorado won the Big 12 North in 2001 (and were controversially left out of BCS title game in favor of Nebraska who they clobbered), 2002, 2004 and 2005.

It was coaching and recruiting decisions.

(05-27-2021 07:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 12:08 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 11:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 10:44 AM)MKPitt Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 08:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  18 pretty predictable schools have 58 of the last 60 AP titles. BYU 1984 and Pitt 1976 were the exceptions. They also won 69 of the 75 since WWII. (MN, Syracuse, MD and Mich. St. won titles in the 50s)

Alabama 12
USC 5
Miami 5
Nebraska 4
Oklahoma 4
Notre Dame 4
Texas 3
Clemson 3
Florida 3
Florida St. 3
Ohio St. 3
LSU 2
Penn St. 2
Auburn 1
Colorado 1
Georgia 1
Tennessee 1
Michigan 1


BYU 1
Pitt 1

Nitpicking here but Colorado is much more like Pitt and BYU than the other schools here. In the last 60 years, Colorado is 26th, BYU is 30th and Pitt is 33rd in total AP poll appearances.

From 1990 to about 2005, Colorado was one of the top programs, much like Oregon has been over the last decade. They have kind of fallen off the cliff since they left the Big 12.

Colorado's drop off started when they joined the Big 12, not when they left it. In their last 10 years in the Big 8 they won 75% of their games. In their 15 years with the Big 12 they won only 51%. They've fallen even further since joining the PAC, winning only 36% of the time.

The question is did becoming a geographical outlier hurt their recruiting once the Big 8 joined up with the Texas schools? And even more when they later joined the PAC? Or is the competition just that much harder?

Colorado won the Big 12 North in 2001 (and were controversially left out of BCS title game in favor of Nebraska who they clobbered), 2002, 2004 and 2005.

It was coaching and recruiting decisions.

IIRC, the controversy wasn't that Colorado was left out of the title game, it was that Nebraska got in.

The team that should have gotten in instead of Nebraska was Oregon, who was #2 in both of the human polls going in to the bowls.

And as a kicker, Oregon dismantled Colorado pretty easily in the Fiesta Bowl.

(05-27-2021 07:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 07:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 12:08 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 11:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 10:44 AM)MKPitt Wrote:  Nitpicking here but Colorado is much more like Pitt and BYU than the other schools here. In the last 60 years, Colorado is 26th, BYU is 30th and Pitt is 33rd in total AP poll appearances.

From 1990 to about 2005, Colorado was one of the top programs, much like Oregon has been over the last decade. They have kind of fallen off the cliff since they left the Big 12.

Colorado's drop off started when they joined the Big 12, not when they left it. In their last 10 years in the Big 8 they won 75% of their games. In their 15 years with the Big 12 they won only 51%. They've fallen even further since joining the PAC, winning only 36% of the time.

The question is did becoming a geographical outlier hurt their recruiting once the Big 8 joined up with the Texas schools? And even more when they later joined the PAC? Or is the competition just that much harder?

Colorado won the Big 12 North in 2001 (and were controversially left out of BCS title game in favor of Nebraska who they clobbered), 2002, 2004 and 2005.

It was coaching and recruiting decisions.

IIRC, the controversy wasn't that Colorado was left out of the title game, it was that Nebraska got in.

The team that should have gotten in instead of Nebraska was Oregon, who was #2 in both of the human polls going in to the bowls.

And as a kicker, Oregon dismantled Colorado pretty easily in the Fiesta Bowl.

Opinion was split on whether it should have been Oregon or Colorado.

I wasn't too upset Mack Brown blew the Big 12 title game by not playing Major Applewhite until too late because I really didn't want my school to be the one Miami destroyed. Texas would have been in had they not lost 39-37 to CU in Big 12 ccg.

(05-27-2021 11:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 10:44 AM)MKPitt Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 08:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  18 pretty predictable schools have 58 of the last 60 AP titles. BYU 1984 and Pitt 1976 were the exceptions. They also won 69 of the 75 since WWII. (MN, Syracuse, MD and Mich. St. won titles in the 50s)

Alabama 12
USC 5
Miami 5
Nebraska 4
Oklahoma 4
Notre Dame 4
Texas 3
Clemson 3
Florida 3
Florida St. 3
Ohio St. 3
LSU 2
Penn St. 2
Auburn 1
Colorado 1
Georgia 1
Tennessee 1
Michigan 1


BYU 1
Pitt 1

Nitpicking here but Colorado is much more like Pitt and BYU than the other schools here. In the last 60 years, Colorado is 26th, BYU is 30th and Pitt is 33rd in total AP poll appearances.

From 1990 to about 2005, Colorado was one of the top programs, much like Oregon has been over the last decade. They have kind of fallen off the cliff since they left the Big 12.

And in the 70s and 80s, Pitt was a top program, as they were in the 1910s, 20s and 30s. Academics at the school blew up the program heading into the 40s and 90s. Repeating history in a way only Pitt seems to do.

(05-27-2021 07:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 07:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 07:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 12:08 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 11:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  From 1990 to about 2005, Colorado was one of the top programs, much like Oregon has been over the last decade. They have kind of fallen off the cliff since they left the Big 12.

Colorado's drop off started when they joined the Big 12, not when they left it. In their last 10 years in the Big 8 they won 75% of their games. In their 15 years with the Big 12 they won only 51%. They've fallen even further since joining the PAC, winning only 36% of the time.

The question is did becoming a geographical outlier hurt their recruiting once the Big 8 joined up with the Texas schools? And even more when they later joined the PAC? Or is the competition just that much harder?

Colorado won the Big 12 North in 2001 (and were controversially left out of BCS title game in favor of Nebraska who they clobbered), 2002, 2004 and 2005.

It was coaching and recruiting decisions.

IIRC, the controversy wasn't that Colorado was left out of the title game, it was that Nebraska got in.

The team that should have gotten in instead of Nebraska was Oregon, who was #2 in both of the human polls going in to the bowls.

And as a kicker, Oregon dismantled Colorado pretty easily in the Fiesta Bowl.

Opinion was split on whether it should have been Oregon or Colorado.

I don't remember it that way. Opinion certainly wasn't split in the polls, both the AP and Coaches had Oregon #2.

But the big thing was that Nebraska didn't belong. That created a furor. Getting 62 hung on you in your last game didn't past the eye or smell test.

(05-27-2021 12:08 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 11:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 10:44 AM)MKPitt Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 08:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  18 pretty predictable schools have 58 of the last 60 AP titles. BYU 1984 and Pitt 1976 were the exceptions. They also won 69 of the 75 since WWII. (MN, Syracuse, MD and Mich. St. won titles in the 50s)

Alabama 12
USC 5
Miami 5
Nebraska 4
Oklahoma 4
Notre Dame 4
Texas 3
Clemson 3
Florida 3
Florida St. 3
Ohio St. 3
LSU 2
Penn St. 2
Auburn 1
Colorado 1
Georgia 1
Tennessee 1
Michigan 1


BYU 1
Pitt 1

Nitpicking here but Colorado is much more like Pitt and BYU than the other schools here. In the last 60 years, Colorado is 26th, BYU is 30th and Pitt is 33rd in total AP poll appearances.

From 1990 to about 2005, Colorado was one of the top programs, much like Oregon has been over the last decade. They have kind of fallen off the cliff since they left the Big 12.

Colorado's drop off started when they joined the Big 12, not when they left it. In their last 10 years in the Big 8 they won 75% of their games. In their 15 years with the Big 12 they won only 51%. They've fallen even further since joining the PAC, winning only 36% of the time.

The question is did becoming a geographical outlier hurt their recruiting once the Big 8 joined up with the Texas schools? And even more when they later joined the PAC? Or is the competition just that much harder?

The answer was that Gary Barnett was turning out host girls to recruits, which created a massive uproar. The faculty, which was already unusually hostile to athletics by Big 8/12 standards, used the opportunity to get the higher-ups to de-emphasize football for a while. They're not as tolerant of coaches mistreating female students as, say, Baylor.