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Big 10: 11 of 14 (Illinois is one of only 3 that wasn't!)
SEC: 11 of 14
ACC: 8 of 14
Pac 12: 6 of 12
Big 12: 3 of 10

Overall: 39 of 64
Notre Dame is not listed but of course they've been #1.

Which school(s) are the most surprising on the list? Not on the list? For any of the surprising school(s), when was the last time they were #1?

Biggest surprises on the list: Missouri (that was a weird season), North Carolina, Northwestern, Purdue, Virginia
Biggest surprises off the list: Georgia Tech, South Carolina*, Stanford, Virginia Tech
* I'm not surprised they have not been #1 but I wouldn't have been surprised if they had been #1

(05-26-2021 02:12 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Biggest surprises on the list: Missouri (that was a weird season), North Carolina, Northwestern, Purdue, Virginia
Biggest surprises off the list: Georgia Tech, South Carolina*, Stanford, Virginia Tech
* I'm not surprised they have not been #1 but I wouldn't have been surprised if they had been #1

1990 started as a magical season for Virginia. Welsh was in his 9th season as coach, so the program had credibility and talent. They had finished 1989 with an impressive 10-3 record. Then they won their first seven games in 1990 (including against a strong Clemson squad in a game fortunately played in Charlottesville). Shawn Moore, Herman Moore and Terry Kirby were talented skill players and upperclassmen. They spent a couple of weeks as #1.

Wheels fell-off to close that season.

What’s ironic is that Virginia’s first loss was against Georgia Tech. That Tech team would finish undefeated and get the UPI #1 ranking...but not get the AP #1.

(05-26-2021 02:42 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 02:12 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Biggest surprises on the list: Missouri (that was a weird season), North Carolina, Northwestern, Purdue, Virginia
Biggest surprises off the list: Georgia Tech, South Carolina*, Stanford, Virginia Tech
* I'm not surprised they have not been #1 but I wouldn't have been surprised if they had been #1

1990 started as a magical season for Virginia. Welsh was in his 9th season as coach, so the program had credibility and talent. They had finished 1989 with an impressive 10-3 record. Then they won their first seven games in 1990 (including against a strong Clemson squad in a game fortunately played in Charlottesville). Shawn Moore, Herman Moore and Terry Kirby were talented skill players and upperclassmen. They spent a couple of weeks as #1.

Wheels fell-off to close that season.

What’s ironic is that Virginia’s first loss was against Georgia Tech. That Tech team would finish undefeated and get the UPI #1 ranking...but not get the AP #1.

Good info on UVA. Georgia Tech probably should've been the AP #1 and would've had Colorado not had the infamous "Fifth Down."

For non-P5, didn't BYU's 1984 team finish No. 1? And I think Army has been No. 1 at least once in the past. It does not seem Navy has.

(05-26-2021 01:55 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Via FOX Sports Twitter: https://twitter.com/CFBONFOX/status/1397...22/photo/1

Big 10: 11 of 14 (Illinois is one of only 3 that wasn't!)
SEC: 11 of 14
ACC: 8 of 14
Pac 12: 6 of 12
Big 12: 3 of 10

Overall: 39 of 64
Notre Dame is not listed but of course they've been #1.

Neither is BYU

(05-26-2021 01:55 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Via FOX Sports Twitter: https://twitter.com/CFBONFOX/status/1397...22/photo/1

Big 10: 11 of 14 (Illinois is one of only 3 that wasn't!)
SEC: 11 of 14
ACC: 8 of 14
Pac 12: 6 of 12
Big 12: 3 of 10

Overall: 39 of 64
Notre Dame is not listed but of course they've been #1.

Which school(s) are the most surprising on the list? Not on the list? For any of the surprising school(s), when was the last time they were #1?

I’m actually surprised my dear alma mater of Illinois has never been #1 at any point. I would have thought that one of the great teams from the 1940s through 1960s would have broken through.

In my view, it makes little sense to count how many teams were ranked #1 at any time during the year. For those who were ranked during the season but not in the final poll, all we can say about them is that they were overrated at the time. If a team is ranked #1 after the first week of the season but finishes with a losing record, do they deserve Honorable Mention?

During the history of the AP, 27 schools have finished the season ranked #1. Eight schools account for 50 of the 85 champions of the AP Poll:

Alabama (12)
Notre Dame (8)
Oklahoma (7)
Miami (5)
Ohio State (5)
Southern Cal (5)
Minnesota (4)
Nebraska (4)

Based on their current conference affiliation, no school outside the P5 has finished #1 (though independents Notre Dame, Army and BYU did).

By conference:

B1G (7 of 14)
Ohio State
Minnesota
Nebraska
Michigan (2)
Penn State (2)
Maryland (1)
Michigan (1)

SEC (7 of 14)
Alabama
Florida (3)
LSU (3)
Auburn (2)
Tennessee (2)
Georgia (1)
Texas A&M (1)

ACC (5 of 14)
Miami
Clemson (3)
Florida State (3)
Pitt (2)
Syracuse (1)

Big 12 (3 of 10)
Oklahoma
Texas (3)
TCU (1)

PAC (2 of 12)
Southern Cal
Colorado (1)

(05-26-2021 04:09 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 02:42 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 02:12 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Biggest surprises on the list: Missouri (that was a weird season), North Carolina, Northwestern, Purdue, Virginia
Biggest surprises off the list: Georgia Tech, South Carolina*, Stanford, Virginia Tech
* I'm not surprised they have not been #1 but I wouldn't have been surprised if they had been #1

1990 started as a magical season for Virginia. Welsh was in his 9th season as coach, so the program had credibility and talent. They had finished 1989 with an impressive 10-3 record. Then they won their first seven games in 1990 (including against a strong Clemson squad in a game fortunately played in Charlottesville). Shawn Moore, Herman Moore and Terry Kirby were talented skill players and upperclassmen. They spent a couple of weeks as #1.

Wheels fell-off to close that season.

What’s ironic is that Virginia’s first loss was against Georgia Tech. That Tech team would finish undefeated and get the UPI #1 ranking...but not get the AP #1.

Good info on UVA. Georgia Tech probably should've been the AP #1 and would've had Colorado not had the infamous "Fifth Down."

Eh, Colorado certainly got a huge undeserved break with the "Fifth down", but let's face it - Georgia Tech was far from the best team in the country that year. Not just Colorado, but Notre Dame, Miami and FSU would all have been heavy favorites over Tech in a bowl game. Probably two touchdowns or more.

Tech was able to skate by, hiding in a weak ACC and not playing any top-5 level teams all year long, not even in their bowl game, where they got to play an outside the top-10 Nebraska team.

(05-26-2021 05:59 PM)ken d Wrote:  In my view, it makes little sense to count how many teams were ranked #1 at any time during the year. For those who were ranked during the season but not in the final poll, all we can say about them is that they were overrated at the time. If a team is ranked #1 after the first week of the season but finishes with a losing record, do they deserve Honorable Mention?

During the history of the AP, 27 schools have finished the season ranked #1. Eight schools account for 50 of the 85 champions of the AP Poll:

Alabama (12)
Notre Dame (8)
Oklahoma (7)
Miami (5)
Ohio State (5)
Southern Cal (5)
Minnesota (4)
Nebraska (4)

Based on their current conference affiliation, no school outside the P5 has finished #1 (though independents Notre Dame, Army and BYU did).

By conference:

B1G (7 of 14)
Ohio State
Minnesota
Nebraska
Michigan (2)
Penn State (2)
Maryland (1)
Michigan (1)

SEC (7 of 14)
Alabama
Florida (3)
LSU (3)
Auburn (2)
Tennessee (2)
Georgia (1)
Texas A&M (1)

ACC (5 of 14)
Miami
Clemson (3)
Florida State (3)
Pitt (2)
Syracuse (1)

Big 12 (3 of 10)
Oklahoma
Texas (3)
TCU (1)

PAC (2 of 12)
Southern Cal
Colorado (1)

Though my example is hoops, I don't fully agree with your argument, ken d: "For those who were ranked during the season but not in the final poll, all we can say about them is that they were overrated at the time."

In some cases, a major injury is a factor. I will always recall watching Cincinnati lose to Saint Louis in the 2000 Conference USA tourney after Kenyon Martin broke his leg in that game. The Bearcats were ranked No. 1 in the nation and possibly headed toward a national title. I was deflated.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-bas...gjiapkc9up

(05-26-2021 02:42 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 02:12 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Biggest surprises on the list: Missouri (that was a weird season), North Carolina, Northwestern, Purdue, Virginia
Biggest surprises off the list: Georgia Tech, South Carolina*, Stanford, Virginia Tech
* I'm not surprised they have not been #1 but I wouldn't have been surprised if they had been #1

1990 started as a magical season for Virginia. Welsh was in his 9th season as coach, so the program had credibility and talent. They had finished 1989 with an impressive 10-3 record. Then they won their first seven games in 1990 (including against a strong Clemson squad in a game fortunately played in Charlottesville). Shawn Moore, Herman Moore and Terry Kirby were talented skill players and upperclassmen. They spent a couple of weeks as #1.

Wheels fell-off to close that season.

What’s ironic is that Virginia’s first loss was against Georgia Tech. That Tech team would finish undefeated and get the UPI #1 ranking...but not get the AP #1.

That was viewed as the game of the year that season.

18 pretty predictable schools have 58 of the last 60 AP titles. BYU 1984 and Pitt 1976 were the exceptions. They also won 69 of the 75 since WWII. (MN, Syracuse, MD and Mich. St. won titles in the 50s)

Alabama 12
USC 5
Miami 5
Nebraska 4
Oklahoma 4
Notre Dame 4
Texas 3
Clemson 3
Florida 3
Florida St. 3
Ohio St. 3
LSU 2
Penn St. 2
Auburn 1
Colorado 1
Georgia 1
Tennessee 1
Michigan 1


BYU 1
Pitt 1

(05-26-2021 08:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  18 pretty predictable schools have 58 of the last 60 AP titles. BYU 1984 and Pitt 1976 were the exceptions. They also won 69 of the 75 since WWII. (MN, Syracuse, MD and Mich. St. won titles in the 50s)

Alabama 12
USC 5
Miami 5
Nebraska 4
Oklahoma 4
Notre Dame 4
Texas 3
Clemson 3
Florida 3
Florida St. 3
Ohio St. 3
LSU 2
Penn St. 2
Auburn 1
Colorado 1
Georgia 1
Tennessee 1
Michigan 1


BYU 1
Pitt 1

Pretty sure GaTech shared one...oh.. this is about the AP. Nm

(05-26-2021 08:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 02:42 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 02:12 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Biggest surprises on the list: Missouri (that was a weird season), North Carolina, Northwestern, Purdue, Virginia
Biggest surprises off the list: Georgia Tech, South Carolina*, Stanford, Virginia Tech
* I'm not surprised they have not been #1 but I wouldn't have been surprised if they had been #1

1990 started as a magical season for Virginia. Welsh was in his 9th season as coach, so the program had credibility and talent. They had finished 1989 with an impressive 10-3 record. Then they won their first seven games in 1990 (including against a strong Clemson squad in a game fortunately played in Charlottesville). Shawn Moore, Herman Moore and Terry Kirby were talented skill players and upperclassmen. They spent a couple of weeks as #1.

Wheels fell-off to close that season.

What’s ironic is that Virginia’s first loss was against Georgia Tech. That Tech team would finish undefeated and get the UPI #1 ranking...but not get the AP #1.

That was viewed as the game of the year that season.

Do you mean like in terms of how exciting the game was? Maybe.

But in terms of hype and anticipation, no. That was Miami @ Notre Dame.

(05-26-2021 05:59 PM)ken d Wrote:  In my view, it makes little sense to count how many teams were ranked #1 at any time during the year. For those who were ranked during the season but not in the final poll, all we can say about them is that they were overrated at the time. If a team is ranked #1 after the first week of the season but finishes with a losing record, do they deserve Honorable Mention?

During the history of the AP, 27 schools have finished the season ranked #1. Eight schools account for 50 of the 85 champions of the AP Poll:

Alabama (12)
Notre Dame (8)
Oklahoma (7)
Miami (5)
Ohio State (5)
Southern Cal (5)
Minnesota (4)
Nebraska (4)

Based on their current conference affiliation, no school outside the P5 has finished #1 (though independents Notre Dame, Army and BYU did).

By conference:

B1G (7 of 14)
Ohio State
Minnesota
Nebraska
Michigan (2)
Penn State (2)
Maryland (1)
Michigan (1)

SEC (7 of 14)
Alabama
Florida (3)
LSU (3)
Auburn (2)
Tennessee (2)
Georgia (1)
Texas A&M (1)

ACC (5 of 14)
Miami
Clemson (3)
Florida State (3)
Pitt (2)
Syracuse (1)

Big 12 (3 of 10)
Oklahoma
Texas (3)
TCU (1)

PAC (2 of 12)
Southern Cal
Colorado (1)

But that's a list we've seen many times. The OP is giving us something new, which is interesting - even if not quite as "important" from a historical p.o.v.

(05-27-2021 08:36 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  But that's a list we've seen many times. The OP is giving us something new, which is interesting - even if not quite as "important" from a historical p.o.v.

I agree, I found it interesting to see how many P5 schools have ever been ranked #1. Being ranked #1 is IMO distinctive, it doesn't just have to be at the end of the year.

Fourteen schools have been voted AP National Champion in football while playing for the conference in which they are now a member. How many can you name?

(05-26-2021 08:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  18 pretty predictable schools have 58 of the last 60 AP titles. BYU 1984 and Pitt 1976 were the exceptions. They also won 69 of the 75 since WWII. (MN, Syracuse, MD and Mich. St. won titles in the 50s)

Alabama 12
USC 5
Miami 5
Nebraska 4
Oklahoma 4
Notre Dame 4
Texas 3
Clemson 3
Florida 3
Florida St. 3
Ohio St. 3
LSU 2
Penn St. 2
Auburn 1
Colorado 1
Georgia 1
Tennessee 1
Michigan 1


BYU 1
Pitt 1

Nitpicking here but Colorado is much more like Pitt and BYU than the other schools here. In the last 60 years, Colorado is 26th, BYU is 30th and Pitt is 33rd in total AP poll appearances.

(05-27-2021 07:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 08:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 02:42 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(05-26-2021 02:12 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Biggest surprises on the list: Missouri (that was a weird season), North Carolina, Northwestern, Purdue, Virginia
Biggest surprises off the list: Georgia Tech, South Carolina*, Stanford, Virginia Tech
* I'm not surprised they have not been #1 but I wouldn't have been surprised if they had been #1

1990 started as a magical season for Virginia. Welsh was in his 9th season as coach, so the program had credibility and talent. They had finished 1989 with an impressive 10-3 record. Then they won their first seven games in 1990 (including against a strong Clemson squad in a game fortunately played in Charlottesville). Shawn Moore, Herman Moore and Terry Kirby were talented skill players and upperclassmen. They spent a couple of weeks as #1.

Wheels fell-off to close that season.

What’s ironic is that Virginia’s first loss was against Georgia Tech. That Tech team would finish undefeated and get the UPI #1 ranking...but not get the AP #1.

That was viewed as the game of the year that season.

Do you mean like in terms of how exciting the game was? Maybe.

But in terms of hype and anticipation, no. That was Miami @ Notre Dame.

It was the game of the year. Cavaliers started strong, but the Yellow Jackets hit a FG at the end to win 41-38 in Charlottesville.

I always thought that Georgia Tech was better than what the odds-makers thought. They had a few close games and a tie; the ACC winner was stuck with the Citrus Bowl (so they beat Nebraska)...IMO, they never got the respect they deserved. ND and Miami got the media attention, while losing multiple games each. The 1990 season would have benefited from the BCS or CFP format.

(05-27-2021 08:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-27-2021 08:36 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  But that's a list we've seen many times. The OP is giving us something new, which is interesting - even if not quite as "important" from a historical p.o.v.

I agree, I found it interesting to see how many P5 schools have ever been ranked #1. Being ranked #1 is IMO distinctive, it doesn't just have to be at the end of the year.

It tells you something about the teams that aren't in that top 20 group.