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RE: Brannen's attorney files federal lawsuit against UC, Cunningham, Pinto
(05-26-2021 09:01 AM)skyblade Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 08:30 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 08:25 AM)skyblade Wrote:  For those with theathletic.

https://theathletic.com/2612691/2021/05/...ed_article

Even Vogt's support of Brannen doesn't paint Brannen in a particularly good light. Brannen should never have been hired in the first place, at least we got rid of him fast.

There are players that stood behind Bobby Knight. (hell, there are women and men that stay in abusive relationships) It doesn't mean those that voiced their concerns regarding their safety and the environment they were asked to play in were wrong. I found this passage pretty telling:

Quote:Vogt is not alone in his sentiments toward Brannen or the coach’s dismissal....But a significantly greater number of sources — including players and others close to and around the program — expressed essentially an opposite opinion of and experience with Brannen at UC. Some have spoken on the record; many have requested anonymity. But they’ve been consistent and unequivocal in their objections.

https://theathletic.com/2612691/2021/05/...ga-linger/

Yeah and Vogt isn't denying things happened either. Yes, Brannen called a meeting to try to figure out who reported him. Yes, Brannen was adversarial with Medical staff because Brannen thought he knew better. Yes, Brannen is socially awkward and Vogt could see why guys didn't have a good relationship.

The main thing Vogt says is Brannen didn't do it because he's a mean guy. Brannen did it because he knew his way worked (at NKU) and wasn't going to change. In the end, it doesn't matter if Brannen's actions were because he's an ******* or because he was extremely stubborn and unwilling to change (even with medical staff telling him he's wrong). Evil can come from good intentions. Things that worked at NKU with guys who were happy just to have a chance to play in the NCAA don't necessarily work with guys who came to play at the high-major NCAA level and have other options.

My biggest take-away is a quality coaching search would have found the issues at NKU and Brannen never should have been hired.

I really didn't see me agreeing with Skyblade so wholeheartedly about something, but I'm 100% behind your post. Can't really say anything better about it and I think this is probably the best way to frame the sentiment a lot of us probably share about this in general.
 
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RE: Brannen's attorney files federal lawsuit against UC, Cunningham, Pinto
(05-26-2021 09:01 AM)skyblade Wrote:  MILLER did it because he knew his way worked (at UNCG) and wasn't going to change.

See what I did there. Nothing wrong with a coach doing it his way if it got him to where he is.

Quote:Things that worked at NKU with guys who were happy just to have a chance to play in the NCAA don't necessarily work with guys who came to play at the high-major NCAA level and have other options.

Way to slight the players at NKU. So you are saying they accepted being treated like crap because they should be happy to be there? Interesting how our fanbase feels slighted when P5 schools look down at us, yet some are quick to do the same to schools "lower level" than us.

Quote:My biggest take-away is a quality coaching search would have found the issues at NKU and Brannen never should have been hired.

That's the smell test I can't get over. Brannen seemed to be beloved at NKU. So much that they extended his contract. Suddenly he's changed into some monster? I think this is becoming a lawyer/fanbase/social media creation.


From when NKU extended Brannen:

Quote:“We are certainly excited to reach an agreement to extend John as head coach of our men’s basketball program for four more years,” states Ken Bothof, Director of Athletics. “Not only has the program reached unprecedented heights on the court the last two years, but the men’s basketball program under John’s leadership has demonstrated equivalent success in the classroom and service in the Northern Kentucky community. Each of those commitments speak to our core values as an institution and we are pleased to reach an agreement with John to continue building our men’s basketball program in that image.”
 
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RE: Brannen's attorney files federal lawsuit against UC, Cunningham, Pinto
(05-26-2021 12:22 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  Thanks. I can certainly accept that Brannen didn't always see eye-to-eye with the entire medical/athletic staff. That's far from ideal but I'm sure it happens quite a bit at many many places. In fact, a little tension might be a good thing although this anonymous version certainly makes it seem like there were probably multiple very broken relationships and things may well have become dysfunctional. Ideally, they all work it out and part of that responsibility is certainly Brannen's. But it also sounds like there were even some big divisions within the medical/athletic training staff:

Quote:For example, the athletic trainer tells Coach Brannen on January 18, 2021 @ 9:27 pm that his players have a “if you don’t feel good, don’t practice” mentality and then says “these guys just encourage each other not to practice if they don’t feel good or something hurts.” There are other text messages from the trainer to Coach Brannen with similar observations about the team as a whole and certain individual players.

But they all have a job to do. Even if Brannen did once say "F the heart monitors" according to that great source "anonymous", there's no evidence that he banned them or stopped them from being worn. In fact, it's been reported several times it was being worn by the one player who went down hard during a drill. The bottom line is there isn't even an anonymous source alleging that the medical staff was ignored or overruled.

If you're looking for a specific instance to point to, a "smoking gun" if you will, of Brannen forcing Player A to do something and medical staffer B attempting to step in and Brannen pushing them away to make the player do it anyways, I honestly don't think you're going to find it. Maybe there is evidence of such a situation but it's something that would likely be kept close to the chest by both Brannen and UC's attorneys, unlikely to see the light of day until after this thing between them gets resolved. Even then, it might get buried so deep the general public can't even see it.

But as we've seen bits and pieces come out, there's overwhelming evidence that Brannen ran an authoritarian program who created divisions between himself, the vast majority of his players, his support staff, the medical staff (even such figures as Bob Mangine, who's highly-regarded at the school), and the administration.

Is all of that enough to fire him on the spot? No, obviously not. If that were the case, this mess would've been behind us months ago and we wouldn't be sitting here waiting for Brannen and UC's attorneys to throw offers and counteroffers back-and-forth as they whittle their way to a figure that both can agree to.

But did he create a situation that was detrimental to the long term stability and success of a storied UC basketball program? My opinion is "yes"; his roster after all the transfers was three holdovers, a converted walk-on, and an emergency 2021 signee who's now at Liberty. Plus, his handpicked strength and conditioning coach (who I'm of the opinion is the "source" in the original article) up and left and, based on comments from Chad Brendel in one of his recent podcasts, at least a few AAU coaches had no intention of sending their players to play for Brannen.

Now, you certainly disagree with that, which is totally fine (difference of opinion is great!) but I fully believe that UC is better off today, on May 26th, 2021, with Wes Miller as HC, his stellar assistant staff, and the roster as it is currently than where the Bearcats would be with Brannen.
 
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RE: Brannen's attorney files federal lawsuit against UC, Cunningham, Pinto
(05-26-2021 08:29 AM)levydl Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 08:23 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 08:14 AM)namrag Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 07:05 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/tallwonder/status/13...56161?s=20

I don't know how to embed tweets, but essentially Tari's mom states that Brannen made Tari take a lyft to the out of conference game at UGA because he didn't realize his gear was in another room and Brannen had a rule he was the last on the bust. Dear god, what a lunatic.

Glad to have that nonsensical distraction (momzilla) be someone else's problem....

Not sure if it's clear but I was referring to Brannen as the lunatic. Brendel has unequivocally stated numerous times that Tari's mom created zero problems for the program. Ok, so she likes twitter. So what?

I thought she was pretty entertaining on there too. Not surprised to see which posters here thought that her tweeting things to her 1,000 followers was some big issue and a reason to not want probably the most talented guy in the program back.

I can read between the lines and see what you are insinuating.

That and you are garbage.

Go eff yourself.
 
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RE: Brannen's attorney files federal lawsuit against UC, Cunningham, Pinto
People rarely up an change their style. If Brannen was all these things claimed a quality search and vetting should have revealed his style.

UC rushed to hire and now they need to accept the cost of a lousy hire.
 
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RE: Brannen's attorney files federal lawsuit against UC, Cunningham, Pinto
(05-26-2021 10:55 AM)namrag Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 08:29 AM)levydl Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 08:23 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 08:14 AM)namrag Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 07:05 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/tallwonder/status/13...56161?s=20

I don't know how to embed tweets, but essentially Tari's mom states that Brannen made Tari take a lyft to the out of conference game at UGA because he didn't realize his gear was in another room and Brannen had a rule he was the last on the bust. Dear god, what a lunatic.

Glad to have that nonsensical distraction (momzilla) be someone else's problem....

Not sure if it's clear but I was referring to Brannen as the lunatic. Brendel has unequivocally stated numerous times that Tari's mom created zero problems for the program. Ok, so she likes twitter. So what?

I thought she was pretty entertaining on there too. Not surprised to see which posters here thought that her tweeting things to her 1,000 followers was some big issue and a reason to not want probably the most talented guy in the program back.

I can read between the lines and see what you are insinuating.

That and you are garbage.

Go eff yourself.

Someone got their feelings hurt
 
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Tari's mom created headaches.
 
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(05-26-2021 12:16 PM)Bearcat419 Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 10:55 AM)namrag Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 08:29 AM)levydl Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 08:23 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 08:14 AM)namrag Wrote:  Glad to have that nonsensical distraction (momzilla) be someone else's problem....

Not sure if it's clear but I was referring to Brannen as the lunatic. Brendel has unequivocally stated numerous times that Tari's mom created zero problems for the program. Ok, so she likes twitter. So what?

I thought she was pretty entertaining on there too. Not surprised to see which posters here thought that her tweeting things to her 1,000 followers was some big issue and a reason to not want probably the most talented guy in the program back.

I can read between the lines and see what you are insinuating.

That and you are garbage.

Go eff yourself.

Someone got their feelings hurt

Not at all.

I simply do not quietly let garbage comments like that pass anymore.

Taking the high road doesn’t work when dealing with people who dishonestly use the “racist” smear to try to silence others.

Eff every single lowlife who tries to do that.
 
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(05-26-2021 01:28 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Tari's mom created headaches.

I would have LOVED to have kept Tari on the team.

He may or may not turn out to be a star.

He wasn’t a stud freshman, we have had better.

But you could see the star potential.

I think his mother will be more of a hindrance than a help towards him becoming a star.

I will be watching how he does at LSU, and hope that he becomes big time.
 
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(05-26-2021 07:38 PM)namrag Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 12:16 PM)Bearcat419 Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 10:55 AM)namrag Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 08:29 AM)levydl Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 08:23 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  Not sure if it's clear but I was referring to Brannen as the lunatic. Brendel has unequivocally stated numerous times that Tari's mom created zero problems for the program. Ok, so she likes twitter. So what?

I thought she was pretty entertaining on there too. Not surprised to see which posters here thought that her tweeting things to her 1,000 followers was some big issue and a reason to not want probably the most talented guy in the program back.

I can read between the lines and see what you are insinuating.

That and you are garbage.

Go eff yourself.

Someone got their feelings hurt

Not at all.

I simply do not quietly let garbage comments like that pass anymore.

Taking the high road doesn’t work when dealing with people who dishonestly use the “racist” smear to try to silence others.

Eff every single lowlife who tries to do that.

I just reread this thread. Who is calling someone racist? I'm confused.
 
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RE: Brannen's attorney files federal lawsuit against UC, Cunningham, Pinto
(05-26-2021 07:43 PM)namrag Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 01:28 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Tari's mom created headaches.

I would have LOVED to have kept Tari on the team.

He may or may not turn out to be a star.

He wasn’t a stud freshman, we have had better.

But you could see the star potential.

I think his mother will be more of a hindrance than a help towards him becoming a star.

I will be watching how he does at LSU, and hope that he becomes big time.

My thoughts exactly on that matter...I think he went to a great place for him. He is a very similar player to Trendon Watford in his high school tape, they'll know what to do with his strengths for sure and I will definitely keep track of him. He had some serious holes in his game (fouled far too much, too many out of rhythm 3s, and didn't take care of the ball enough), but a 7/7 line for the season with a 21/13 game as a true frosh in the worst year ever for pre-season prep for guys coming into a program is hard to argue with.
 
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(05-26-2021 08:06 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 07:38 PM)namrag Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 12:16 PM)Bearcat419 Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 10:55 AM)namrag Wrote:  
(05-26-2021 08:29 AM)levydl Wrote:  I thought she was pretty entertaining on there too. Not surprised to see which posters here thought that her tweeting things to her 1,000 followers was some big issue and a reason to not want probably the most talented guy in the program back.

I can read between the lines and see what you are insinuating.

That and you are garbage.

Go eff yourself.

Someone got their feelings hurt

Not at all.

I simply do not quietly let garbage comments like that pass anymore.

Taking the high road doesn’t work when dealing with people who dishonestly use the “racist” smear to try to silence others.

Eff every single lowlife who tries to do that.

I just reread this thread. Who is calling someone racist? I'm confused.

levydl basically suggested a portion of the board is racist. That actually goes on a lot around here. I don't take offense to it, but I could absolutely understand why some would.

"Not surprised to see which posters here thought that her tweeting things to her 1,000 followers was some big issue"

You are going to twist and squirm saying that's not exactly what he was getting at. So I'll give you a preemptive "Sure...".

Also, let the record show, I really enjoyed the Momster.
 
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Almost completely OT:

I am so over "Twitter" and drama. I have had parishioners...have parishioners...who are like the "Momster" and am so very tired of the constant drama. Give me a quiet day. Not every little thing needs to be a headline, not every little thought that runs through your head needs to be broadcast. Especially when you're "the parent." Tari Eason...as a Bearcat player, yeah, I'm interested (to a degree) how he's doing and feeling. "Tari Eason's 'Momster'"??? Not in the least.
 
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(05-27-2021 05:54 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  levydl basically suggested a portion of the board is racist. That actually goes on a lot around here. I don't take offense to it, but I could absolutely understand why some would.

"Not surprised to see which posters here thought that her tweeting things to her 1,000 followers was some big issue"

You are going to twist and squirm saying that's not exactly what he was getting at. So I'll give you a preemptive "Sure...".

Also, let the record show, I really enjoyed the Momster.
Don't need to twist and squirm. That's a huge assumption to make about a fairly innocuous comment.
 
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(05-27-2021 07:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(05-27-2021 05:54 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  levydl basically suggested a portion of the board is racist. That actually goes on a lot around here. I don't take offense to it, but I could absolutely understand why some would.

"Not surprised to see which posters here thought that her tweeting things to her 1,000 followers was some big issue"

You are going to twist and squirm saying that's not exactly what he was getting at. So I'll give you a preemptive "Sure...".

Also, let the record show, I really enjoyed the Momster.
Don't need to twist and squirm. That's a huge assumption to make about a fairly innocuous comment.

Sure...

Turn a blind eye to it, if you would like. PM the poster and see what they say. You are smart enough to read through the code. Again, I don't care. That's exactly what he was getting at though. Also keep an eye out in the future. It's there way more often than it should be.
 
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(05-27-2021 07:20 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  
(05-27-2021 07:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(05-27-2021 05:54 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  levydl basically suggested a portion of the board is racist. That actually goes on a lot around here. I don't take offense to it, but I could absolutely understand why some would.

"Not surprised to see which posters here thought that her tweeting things to her 1,000 followers was some big issue"

You are going to twist and squirm saying that's not exactly what he was getting at. So I'll give you a preemptive "Sure...".

Also, let the record show, I really enjoyed the Momster.
Don't need to twist and squirm. That's a huge assumption to make about a fairly innocuous comment.

Sure...

Turn a blind eye to it, if you would like. PM the poster and see what they say. You are smart enough to read through the code. Again, I don't care. That's exactly what he was getting at though. Also keep an eye out in the future. It's there way more often than it should be.

I didn't insinuate anyone is racist. Leave me out of your guys' psychodrama.
 
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(05-27-2021 09:12 AM)levydl Wrote:  
(05-27-2021 07:20 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  
(05-27-2021 07:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(05-27-2021 05:54 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  levydl basically suggested a portion of the board is racist. That actually goes on a lot around here. I don't take offense to it, but I could absolutely understand why some would.

"Not surprised to see which posters here thought that her tweeting things to her 1,000 followers was some big issue"

You are going to twist and squirm saying that's not exactly what he was getting at. So I'll give you a preemptive "Sure...".

Also, let the record show, I really enjoyed the Momster.
Don't need to twist and squirm. That's a huge assumption to make about a fairly innocuous comment.

Sure...

Turn a blind eye to it, if you would like. PM the poster and see what they say. You are smart enough to read through the code. Again, I don't care. That's exactly what he was getting at though. Also keep an eye out in the future. It's there way more often than it should be.

I didn't insinuate anyone is racist. Leave me out of your guys' psychodrama.

There is no part of your post that references race in any way, shape or form. I'm frankly flabbergasted that anyone could read it that well.
 
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(05-27-2021 09:52 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(05-27-2021 09:12 AM)levydl Wrote:  
(05-27-2021 07:20 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  
(05-27-2021 07:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(05-27-2021 05:54 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  levydl basically suggested a portion of the board is racist. That actually goes on a lot around here. I don't take offense to it, but I could absolutely understand why some would.

"Not surprised to see which posters here thought that her tweeting things to her 1,000 followers was some big issue"

You are going to twist and squirm saying that's not exactly what he was getting at. So I'll give you a preemptive "Sure...".

Also, let the record show, I really enjoyed the Momster.
Don't need to twist and squirm. That's a huge assumption to make about a fairly innocuous comment.

Sure...

Turn a blind eye to it, if you would like. PM the poster and see what they say. You are smart enough to read through the code. Again, I don't care. That's exactly what he was getting at though. Also keep an eye out in the future. It's there way more often than it should be.

I didn't insinuate anyone is racist. Leave me out of your guys' psychodrama.

There is no part of your post that references race in any way, shape or form. I'm frankly flabbergasted that anyone could read it that well.

I know I didn't think anything of it when I read the comment. I had to read his accusation to figure out what he was so pissed about.
 
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(05-27-2021 09:52 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(05-27-2021 09:12 AM)levydl Wrote:  
(05-27-2021 07:20 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  
(05-27-2021 07:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(05-27-2021 05:54 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  levydl basically suggested a portion of the board is racist. That actually goes on a lot around here. I don't take offense to it, but I could absolutely understand why some would.

"Not surprised to see which posters here thought that her tweeting things to her 1,000 followers was some big issue"

You are going to twist and squirm saying that's not exactly what he was getting at. So I'll give you a preemptive "Sure...".

Also, let the record show, I really enjoyed the Momster.
Don't need to twist and squirm. That's a huge assumption to make about a fairly innocuous comment.

Sure...

Turn a blind eye to it, if you would like. PM the poster and see what they say. You are smart enough to read through the code. Again, I don't care. That's exactly what he was getting at though. Also keep an eye out in the future. It's there way more often than it should be.

I didn't insinuate anyone is racist. Leave me out of your guys' psychodrama.

There is no part of your post that references race in any way, shape or form. I'm frankly flabbergasted that anyone could read it that well.

I've gone back and read it a few times now, and it's beyond me as well. Interesting that it caused someone to flip out.
 
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RE: Brannen's attorney files federal lawsuit against UC, Cunningham, Pinto
(05-27-2021 11:27 AM)geef Wrote:  
(05-27-2021 09:52 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(05-27-2021 09:12 AM)levydl Wrote:  
(05-27-2021 07:20 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  
(05-27-2021 07:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Don't need to twist and squirm. That's a huge assumption to make about a fairly innocuous comment.

Sure...

Turn a blind eye to it, if you would like. PM the poster and see what they say. You are smart enough to read through the code. Again, I don't care. That's exactly what he was getting at though. Also keep an eye out in the future. It's there way more often than it should be.

I didn't insinuate anyone is racist. Leave me out of your guys' psychodrama.

There is no part of your post that references race in any way, shape or form. I'm frankly flabbergasted that anyone could read it that well.

I've gone back and read it a few times now, and it's beyond me as well. Interesting that it caused someone to flip out.

Agreed...I can't tell what the heck they were digging out of that post.
 
05-27-2021 11:31 AM
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